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Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:21 PM

Manchin says reconciliation bill must include controversial Hyde Amendment

Source: The Hill

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said late Wednesday that an expansion of Medicaid that Democrats are seeking to pass as part of their massive reconciliation bill must include the Hyde Amendment to get his support.

"Yeah, we're not taking the Hyde Amendment off. Hyde's going to be on," Manchin told National Review when asked about a proposed Medicaid-like program in the reconciliation bill.

"It has to be. It has to be. That's dead on arrival if that's gone," Manchin, who has described himself as "pro-life, and proud of it," added.

Under the Hyde Amendment, Medicaid and other federal programs are prohibited from covering abortion expenses. Government spending bills have included the stipulation since 1976.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/574621-manchin-says-reconciliation-bill-must-include-controversial-hyde-amendment%3famp

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Reply Manchin says reconciliation bill must include controversial Hyde Amendment (Original post)
Jose Garcia Sep 30 OP
bucolic_frolic Sep 30 #1
Lovie777 Sep 30 #2
Hekate Sep 30 #4
riversedge Sep 30 #43
Progressive Jones Sep 30 #48
Crowman2009 Sep 30 #3
DallasNE Sep 30 #5
FBaggins Sep 30 #27
Metatron Sep 30 #6
OnDoutside Sep 30 #7
LymphocyteLover Sep 30 #8
Hekate Sep 30 #47
C_U_L8R Sep 30 #9
doc03 Sep 30 #36
24601 Oct 1 #58
JohnnyRingo Sep 30 #10
Autumn Sep 30 #11
JohnnyRingo Oct 1 #49
Autumn Oct 1 #54
choie Sep 30 #20
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 30 #29
JohnnyRingo Oct 1 #50
TiberiusB Oct 1 #52
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 1 #53
JohnnyRingo Oct 1 #55
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choie Sep 30 #19
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choie Sep 30 #18
Demovictory9 Sep 30 #21
Crataegus Sep 30 #22
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Vinca Sep 30 #24
Celerity Oct 5 #59
Lithos Sep 30 #25
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stillcool Sep 30 #28
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doc03 Sep 30 #34
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Captain Zero Oct 5 #61
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NYC Liberal Sep 30 #46
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:24 PM

1. When you live in the past and travel backwards in time, it's almost time to retire

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:26 PM

2. I'm pretty sure that can be worked around ....

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Response to Lovie777 (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:32 PM

4. The Hyde Amendment needs a stake driven thru its rotten heart. No more trying to work around it

It has caused nothing but harm to poor women, while giving aid and comfort to the enemies of access to the full range of women’s necessary health care.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:07 PM

43. well said.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:59 PM

48. But, but... Imaginary Gawd demands it !!! nt

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:30 PM

3. Hey Manchin police! Where ya at?

With Democrats like this, who needs GOPers!

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:50 PM

5. Qhy Now?

It was announced at least 3 months ago that the Hyde Amendemnt would not be part of the paskage. Which big donor twisted Manchin's arm? We saw something like this come out of Arizona recently and sure enough it happened right after a big nonation was made. It is CItizens United at work again.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:07 PM

27. That's a question for the authors of the bill

It was announced at least 3 months ago that the Hyde Amendemnt would not be part of the paskage

And Manchin announced eight months ago (and several times since and for years previously) that he would never vote for any budget without it.

Give that the authors presumably want 51 votes so that their work actually becomes law... Why is it coming up now?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:50 PM

6. He can fuck right off.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:53 PM

7. I'm beginning to think that neither Bill is going to get done. This is mental.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:05 PM

8. so he's really sticking the knife in now... what a sicko

I can't wait to see what damage Sinema will do...

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:32 PM

47. And twisting it

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:11 PM

9. Won't the Republicans take him?

He seems more like their sort of guy.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 03:17 PM

36. Why he can do more damage as a Democrat. One Senator

from a little state with 4 Electorial votes is going to sink us.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:57 PM

58. Not really a good idea. If Manchin switches parties, Republicans would control the Senate and Mitch

McConnell would be the Majority Leader again with control over the Senate's agenda. Republicans would chair all the committees. Republicans would decide what Senate investigations are pursued. Republicans would determine which nominees are confirmed.

It would be just like when Jim Jeffords became an independent in 2001 and began caucusing with the Democrats.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:11 PM

10. Just pass it.

Yes, abortion costs should be included in Medicare though few people over 64 will need one, and it's a strike against women, but how expensive is an abortion these days? RU486, the medical prescription can be obtained from the good people at PP, and a procedure could be co-opted as well.

That leaves a small number who may not be able to afford it or unwilling to accept help, but we can end this Hyde nonsense later. Planned Parenthood and The ACLU are something I donate to regularly.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:15 PM

11. We often hear we can end this Hyde nonsense later. Later never comes.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 01:05 AM

49. That's a good point.

but I'm not sure this is the hill to die on. Pass the budget and get things done before the midterms..

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #49)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:40 AM

54. If Machin and Sinema keeps this up the midterms will be a blood bath. For the Democrats.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:59 PM

20. Really?

which male reproductive organ procedure are you willing to forfeit?

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:21 PM

29. Holy shit is this sarcasm? Because it's full of misinformation.

Yes, abortion costs should be included in Medicare though few people over 64 will need one,
The Hyde amendment prohibits federal funding for abortion, so it affects poor people on Medicaid and people in the military.

but how expensive is an abortion these days?
A few hundred dollars to several thousand, depending on the procedure. There are also costs associated with travel, time off, child care, and so on. It's a sum of money that the most vulnerable among us have the most trouble pulling together.

RU486, the medical prescription can be obtained from the good people at PP, and a procedure could be co-opted as well.
Not sure what you mean by "co-opted," but that still costs money.

That leaves a small number who may not be able to afford it or unwilling to accept help, but we can end this Hyde nonsense later.
Been hearing that song for decades from Democrats and I'm sick of it. Hyde kills people.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 01:11 AM

50. Pardon my eagerness to pass legislation...

.... and get things done now.

The midterms are coming and too soon after that the GOP will be asking if people are better off now than they were four years ago. Then some idiot will say "Only I can fix it" and we lose everything.

In my opinion this is no time to push in all our chips over the Hyde Amendment.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #50)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 02:08 AM

52. caving on this won't move Manchin at all

It's a distraction. A poison pill. It's only meant to delay action and muddy the waters. If it was that important, he would have mentioned it long ago.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #50)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 06:52 AM

53. Because it's always attached to the annual spending bill, there's *never* a "good" time to

end Hyde. The midterms are always just around the corner, or we have to get ready for a presidential election, or if we could just get X amount of senators, THEN we could finally end it.

No. It's *always* a good time to end Hyde. Biden pledged to do so. Now he can.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #53)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 09:33 AM

55. Then let's choose to die on this hill.

...and Biden's sole achievement can go down in the history books that he made it possible for Medicare to fund abortions. In the states where it's still legal.

It's not quite The Great Society or The American Care Act, but it'll help those thousands a year who can't find a way to pay for their abortion.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #55)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 11:01 AM

56. Great metaphor, because people do die because of Hyde.

Biden ran on his experience in the senate, his expertise with dealing with recalcitrant caucus members, his ability to foster bipartisanship, and his pledge to eliminate Hyde. Caving here would put the lie to all of that as well as weakening the bill.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:17 PM

12. Seems to me that Manchin is looking for all the glory

he can muster. Democrats be damned.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:27 PM

13. Booker should come back with

If that's in - We need the Voting Rights Legislation passed. Or it's DOA.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:39 PM

14. ...and demands a pedicure from Schumer later this afternoon

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:49 PM

15. Sen Hyde was one of the most crooked, immoral little bastards who ever walked the planet.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:51 PM

16. It's been there since 1976, if this is the sticking point, let him win on it.

You have to give him something to get everything else. Politics suck.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:56 PM

19. They're giving him enough.

n/t

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:55 PM

17. I know this board

doesn't permit bashing of fellow Democrats, but good golly, it is hard to refrain from wishing and hoping that this guy goes away...he has assumed the position of power that McConnell had, and I am damned tired of his hoisting his flag over the body of the Dems. Why doesn't he just change to being a Republican and get it over with??

Pride goeth before a fall, and he is very proud of his power and wielding it with little concern over the status of the nation. He'd be surprised at how little admiration he has for his positions, and how much the rest of us are sick of him.

Just saying. Don't get mad...

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:55 PM

18. FUCK YOU, MANCHIN

n/t

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 01:59 PM

21. Wow

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:02 PM

22. Screw him

He's just trolling now.
Tomorrow it will be something else!

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:02 PM

23. Every time I read of him or his utterances....let's see. How can I phrase this...

...so I'm not dissing a Democrat? While I mull that over, let me just say that a single individual, substantially outside the mainstream ethos of his or her party, should not wield this kind of power. Quirk of the numbers that currently exist, overlaid on the procedural bedrock or not.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:04 PM

24. This miserable fuck is always going to be relevant unless we can somehow get a supermajority

so his one vote is measly and not earth shattering. I watched him having his outdoor press conference today and it struck me what he's all about. He's an attention whore. Not unlike Trump. He's enjoying every nanosecond of being cajoled and followed and quizzed and booked on television and able to get the POTUS to drop everything to hear his every brain dropping. I really can't stand the guy.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:59 AM

59. No, IF we get 50 Dems (not counting Coal and Curtsy) who will bin the filibuster, Manchinema

are irrelevant, for the most part, and we will not need 60 seats.

This miserable fuck is always going to be relevant unless we can somehow get a supermajority

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:06 PM

25. Fine

Just add in a women's rights rider where Viagra and Rogaine and other male vanity medicine can not be paid for with Medicaid as well. (Yes, Rogaine is covered).

L-

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:06 PM

26. Lmaoooooooo

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:09 PM

28. He's evoking some very, very bad thoughts

kind of interesting, considering all the pieces of crap that have floated by.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:26 PM

30. Man O' Manchin (Closet R)

"Gotta keep the patriarchal clubs hanging over the heads of the little ladies. And anyway, they're so cute when they're mad." - Manly Man (Closet R)

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:42 PM

31. Well the first thing he needs to do

Is wipe that fucking smirk off his face when he talks to the press. The next thing he can do is fuck off.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:43 PM

32. fuck you manchin

you fake democrat.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 02:55 PM

33. Fake Democrat? Joe Biden supported the Hyde Amendment until

a few years ago. Was he a fake Democrat?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 03:29 PM

37. Mostly all Democrats understand the danger women face

regarding abortion.You say a few years ago Biden had a change of heart. Biden has aknowleged the need for abortion rights. He changed a few years ago, what is Manchins excuse for supporting the hyde ammendment when repukes want to end abortion rights? What side is he on with that?


Manchin would vote on abortion like the repukes want if he voted today since he hasent recallebrate his beliefs like Biden has. His talking points are very much like republicans talking points. Either he is a fake dem or is owned by republican businesses pharma and coal. I mean ffs he is the only dem that is a member of fucking ALEC!
What does that tell you.

He isn't so keen on helping the poor, or working class but does not squirm about tax cuts for corporate piggies. His daughter was the criminal who made epi pens cost 700 bucks apiece. No wonder he does not want to have medicare negotiate prices of prescription drugs. Wonder if he believes society needs to become a hierarchy? His opinions about"entitlement" mentality bullshit goes against dem principal of equality. He sure has a lot of republican beliefs for a Dem. He has lunch with mitch mcConnell and private meetings with him and the repugs. What does that say about him?

I'm just looking at what he says and his beliefs and I am skeptical of him.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 03:05 PM

34. This is exactly why people decide not to vote. They

say there is no difference in the parties or they don't do anything. It appears the only reason to vote for a Democrat anymore is just to oppose Republicans. I gave several hundred dollars to the Biden campaign and we end up getting the Presidency and Congress. But we still can't get anything done. I voted for Biden because of his platform and if we let one Senator that keeps moving the goal posts set the agenda we will lose next year. If he can't be dealt with we need new _______.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 03:16 PM

35. I hope the payback to Manchin for these antics is brutal. (nt)

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 04:16 PM

38. Go ahead and give that to him too! Then wait to see what else he pulls out of his ass.

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Response to Scalded Nun (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 05:01 AM

61. He's running out the clock on the current business, and on the Democratic Congress

He is likely being directed by dark money groups.
or so it seems.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 05:06 PM

39. K and R for Visibility

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Response to ExTex (Reply #40)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:55 PM

46. Because LBJ had near supermajorities and also liberal Republicans

He had a lotof wiggle room. His threats worked because if someone didn’t play ball he could find someone else who might save.

Biden has zero Republicans and needs every single Democratic vote. If Biden “threatens” Manchin and he still refuses, then what?

The solution is electing more Democrats in 2022.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:05 PM

42. gods! every time I turn on the tube, Manchin has a new demand!!

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:21 PM

44. The Hyde Amendment is an abomination

especially for women in the military. Denying them critical medical care....

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:26 PM

45. He represents 0.5% of the population.

We need a revolution, but not the one MAGAs think we need. We need a complete over turning of the electoral college system, 2 Senators for every state, and the Supreme Court.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #45)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 01:48 AM

51. "2 Senators for every state"

Don't we already have that? Every state has 2 Senators.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 03:07 PM

57. Shameful.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:19 AM

60. IOW, Manchin won't be happy until he can punish the most vulnerable among us.

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He's going after poor women, especially poor women of color. Going after the powerless doesn't make him a hero. It makes him a hateful little tin horn dictator creep.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 07:34 PM

62. Every fews days or so, Manchin has a new redline. damn

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