Top Trump aides set to defy subpoenas in Capitol attack investigation

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Source: The Guardian

Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and other top aides subpoenaed by the House select committee investigating the Capitol attack are expected to defy orders for documents and testimony related to 6 January, according to a source familiar with the matter.
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All four Trump aides targeted by the select committee – Meadows, deputy chief of staff Dan Scavino, strategist Steve Bannon and defense department aide Kash Patel – are expected to resist the orders because Trump is preparing to direct them to do so, the source said.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/06/trump-aides-capitol-attack-house-select-committee

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I think all of these people should be held in contempt and spend some time thinking about this in jail.

[empedocles]

1. Expected. At least until it gets more dangerous to the individual

[Beartracks]

2. Because of course they are. Subpoenas are only for societies with the rule of law. (sarcasm)

I agree with you, infullview: there should be incarceration consequences.

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[Magoo48]

17. So many of these invitations have been ignored in the past 5 years

they are little more than an important joke.

[DownriverDem]

3. Okay

Then what happens? Can they be held in contempt? We need for folks to see the committee isn't playing around.

[azureblue]

22. IIRC

the Sgt at arms can go find them and physically haul them before the committee. If they then refuse to cooperate, they can be thrown into the capitol jail until they do. I am sure that Pelosi and the committee has plans for those who refuse to obey the law. I think immediate referral to the DOJ has been mentioned, The GOP hopes to stall, delay, and run out the clock. But, because this is the way they always act when they know they are in trouble, I am sure provisions have been made to counter the stalls and delays.

It looks to me like picking them up, and tossing them in jail, THEN let them stay there while they try their games, is the most effective way of dealing with these crooks and traitors.

OTOH, if the DOJ is handed the job, I think the DOJ can swoop in and grab them, plus computers, phones, paperwork, emails, etc. And still hand the traitor over to the committee to put in the congressional jail. My guess is the traitors think they can hide. If the DOJ is handed the job, then they can track them down via electronic records, phone location, etc., while the committee can't do that.

[calimary]

40. I hope this is what they do.

Subpoenas have to mean something.

If the Dems wimp out (again) and do another “… oh okay…” then these bastards will just keep on wiping their dirty shoes on our Constitution and everything else that holds America together.

And the very issuance of a subpoena won’t mean squat.

[lark]

4. This is where the rubber meets the road.

What will they do to the criminal resisters - this will show their resolve. Just referring them for criminal investigation is insufficient. I agree that they should be held in contempt of court and locked up for refusing to show. Dems have traditionally not played hardball and they will lose if that is the case now and we could totally lose our country as a result. Come on and take it to these traitors!

[Scrivener7]

5. Yes. This will say a lot about how strong is the will to prosecute the

people who tried to overthrow our government.

And God help us if that will is not strong.

So far I have seen nothing to ease my fears, though.

[lark]

11. Yep, I am very worried!

Creeping fascism seems to be running these days and it scares me.

[bucolic_frolic]

16. Reps. Cheney and Kinzinger are key here

They need to put up

[Javaman]

6. in the rest of the nation, anyone defying a subpoena would be arrested

but you know, two sets of laws for the rich and poor.

I'm not holding my breath that any of these seditious pieces of shits will be arrested.

democracy circles the drain.

[turbinetree]

7. 1901 D St SE, Washington, DC 20003 DC Central Detention Facility, Address

Lock them up.....

[blueinredohio]

8. If they defy the subpoenas

THROW THEIR ASS IN JAIL. Stop babying these creatures.

[Nikki28]

9. Time to call these members

and demand they not get away with playing the Trump card. use the power they have or we will lose the election and this country. They may as well shut congress and senate down because only dems is suppose to let these criminals run over us. Please tell me they wont get away with this?

[gab13by13]

10. Tick tock tick tock

soon it will be Kornacki time, 9 months since an attempted coup on our government. We did have televised hearings within weeks of the evacuation of Afghanistan where some of the coup supporters got to bash president Biden and general Milley.

[groundloop]

12. Why not? All the previous subpoenas were toothless.

At some point these criminals need to land in jail for ignoring subpoenas, but in all the previous hearings it hasn't happened.

[greymattermom]

13. Susan McDougal

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/10/us/susan-mcdougal-goes-to-jail-for-not-testifying-on-clinton.html

[Walleye]

34. ☝️

[CanonRay]

38. This

[Champp]

14. It's OK to piss on America and its laws if you're Republican

They piss on everything. They never take responsibility. They blame others.

They do wrong.

[bucolic_frolic]

15. This is the whole ball game thus far

This should not be negotiated. They should not settle for partial compliance. Time to send people to the slammer and keep them there. American voters trusted these elected Reps by electing them. The people are the source of power, not these privileged Republican stuff-shirts.

[jaxexpat]

33. Trump will just pardon them.............

But many of you had a little internal debate just to decide if it was plausible, didn't you?

[thesquanderer]

18. Because that's what innocent people do. (n/t)

(sure hope this isn't required, but... )

[Beachnutt]

19. What a joke...

next the dems will go tell the courts to please do something and it'll drag on for another few years and dissappear...

[Claustrum]

20. Did anyone expect anything differently from them seriously?

Unless and until real consequences come, they will not change their way since they ignore subpoenas in Trump era. We also have to fight the BS "executive privileges" part too since Trump will definitely throw that out there. Until democrats can put some of these people in jail, they will not willingly comply especially you know they did the wrong and will have real consequences if they speak the truth.

[Marthe48]

21. Hope they get to see how law and order works

when the graft and corruption are removed from the equation.

I can't wait to see them in jail for defying the subpoenas.

[colsohlibgal]

23. Yes Off To Jail Then

We have to play rough with these Neo Nazis.

[Eyeball_Kid]

25. Trump is asserting his authority over Congress. His refusal to comply and to order his associates

to refuse, is an attempt to express his SUPERIORITY over Congress, even as a civilian.

If Congress blinks, the struggle is over and the fascists win. Congress must go balls to the wall on this one. This is an existential crisis. It's either the Constitution or it's Trump.

Watch what happens when the subpoenas are ignored. Listen to the GOPers. That will tell you who is loyal to the Constitution and who isn't. The GOP will be silent when the subpoenas are ignored, or they'll "question" whether Congress has the authority to issue subpoenas or if Congress has the authority to issue inherent contempt citations.

Bennie Thompson and the Dems dove into this existential struggle, and they should have. The GOP is clearly the party that WANTS A DICTATOR. They are disloyal to their oaths and are traitors. I'm not using hyperbole. The GOP is the party bent on destroying the government.

[Eyeball_Kid]

24. Here's my suggestion for Bennie Thompson:

You already warned that you would issue criminal referrals to the DOJ if/when subpoenas are ignored.

When those subpoenas are ignored, do TWO THINGS, NOT ONE.

1. Round up those who are ignoring subpoenas and toss them in jail under your authority to issue inherent contempt citations. Keep them there until they are willing to testify.

2. Afterward, and only afterward, make the criminal referrals.


There is no double jeopardy. Inherent contempt actions come from the Legislative Branch. A criminal referral goes to the Executive Branch.

[Backseat Driver]

26. Can't find them? Those invites were likely sent

by DeJoy-delayed/lost Certified Mail to their last known address to forestall their embarrassment of personal service...(they don't have any of that, but I digress...). And, probably contained an negative RSVP just to be genteel about it. Yeah, I like the idea of posting their faces on the Most Wanted list as well.

[True Blue American]

41. No, they were delivered

One can not be found but Federal Officials will find them.

[JohnSJ]

27. Charge them with contempt, and throw them in jail. If nothing happens then the country

is no longer based on law

[AllaN01Bear]

28. contemptive congress anyone . sic the seargant at arms after them or us marshals.

[Fla Dem]

29. These people think they're above the law. That's Trump's shtick too.

For 50 years he pulled con after con and never was called to answer for his actions. He believes he's untouchable.

[NNadir]

30. Arrest them.

[PatrickforB]

32. Lock these assholes up. If they defy the subpoenas, they need to be in a cell.

[Walleye]

35. Meadows, a former member of the House, defying subpoenas from the same

He knows what he’s doing is wrong and illegal. There’s no excuse, they’re just acting like brats. Meadows is saying he has no respect for the legislative branch he had been elected to. No respect for the United States at all

[ejbr]

36. Bless their hearts

They think the Committee is gonna play patty cakes with them. That hammer is going to drop... very hard. They almost had them killed. FOH

[calimary]

42. I sure hope so!

[pamdb]

37. Go after them

Do what they would do with anyone. If they defy to subpoena, send the cops in to arrest them.

[70sEraVet]

39. Absolutely. And lean on Social Media sites to ensure that they can't run GoFundMe's from jail

[calimary]

43. NOW yer talkin'!

YES!!!!!

Block ANY exit.

[Mr. Sparkle]

44. If they did nothing wrong, then what do they got to hide?

[Beachnutt]

45. Cut their pay checks off and insurance coverage

cut off all their priveleges and perks,
seize their bank accounts and all assets put em on the no fly list and seize their passports drivers license etc....

[Bayard]

46. A regular person goes to jail for ignoring a lawful subpoena

TFG's minions still think they get a free pass.

Whack them!

[Sogo]

47. F them and F Trump....

He has no authority to tell them to defy a Congressional subpoena.

Lock them up!

[Spazito]

48. *LOCKING*

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