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left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 OP
jpak Oct 2021 #1
MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2021 #3
jpak Oct 2021 #4
MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2021 #5
paleotn Oct 2021 #10
Martin68 Oct 2021 #26
ruet Oct 2021 #30
Martin68 Oct 2021 #34
left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #2
brush Oct 2021 #6
COL Mustard Oct 2021 #7
Martin68 Oct 2021 #35
S/V Loner Oct 2021 #8
left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #9
Lasher Oct 2021 #12
NutmegYankee Oct 2021 #13
S/V Loner Oct 2021 #16
denbot Oct 2021 #25
S/V Loner Oct 2021 #27
S/V Loner Oct 2021 #28
denbot Oct 2021 #32
getagrip_already Oct 2021 #17
paleotn Oct 2021 #11
NutmegYankee Oct 2021 #14
NullTuples Oct 2021 #20
NutmegYankee Oct 2021 #21
NullTuples Oct 2021 #31
Anon-C Oct 2021 #23
Submariner Oct 2021 #15
Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2021 #18
Shellback Squid Oct 2021 #19
Historic NY Oct 2021 #22
TomWilm Oct 2021 #24
ExTex Oct 2021 #29
Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2021 #33
Polybius Oct 2021 #36

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:36 PM

1. Wow

These are our most capable subs.

Not good

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Response to jpak (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:45 PM

3. Those and the Virginia class SSN's.

The Los Angeles class SSN's are still pretty capable but they are nearing the end of their service life.
Will be interesting to hear what they hit, if it's ever determined.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:52 PM

4. I'm speculating that something hit it

On purpose

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Response to jpak (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:55 PM

5. That is a very distinct possibility,

and the most likely culprit would be of Chinese origin.

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Response to jpak (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:55 PM

10. Crazy Ivan....

Or more likely a crazy Wang Lei.

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Response to jpak (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:14 PM

26. I think that's very unlikely. The sub's sonar would have detected anything that large.

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Response to Martin68 (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:05 PM

30. I'm Guessing They Were Running Silent/Passive...

and hit an uncharted object.

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Response to ruet (Reply #30)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:01 PM

34. Thus, unlikely to be an enemy vessel. Large marine life or semi-submerged flotsam might be more

likely.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:06 PM

6. Isn't it more to demonstrate their right to be there in...

international waters as China is trying to "own" that region?

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Response to brush (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:29 PM

7. This!

International waters belong to no one, so to everyone. If you don't exercise freedom of navigation, you can lose the right through default.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:04 PM

35. This had nothing to do with "demonstrating military prowess." What gave anyone that idea?

Submarines, be definition, are supposed to remain undetected and could not demonstrate anything.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:38 PM

8. There is a boat that will definitely...

have a change of command.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:16 PM

12. You're both right.

Submarines are technically ships, but they are traditionally referred to as boats. As they developed into larger vessels - and rightfully should have been called ships - the original term stuck.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:21 PM

13. Tradition on subs is to refer to them as a boat.

They are technically ships, but the term has stuck around.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:54 PM

16. I deal with submariners every week and...

I can assure you they call them boats.

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Response to S/V Loner (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 03:25 PM

25. I'm ex Navy and rode a Destroyer, submariners call their vessels, "Boats".

I toured the Bluefish in the late 70's early 80's,while it was tied to our outside, Ashdod Israel. I can most assuredly confirm the usage of the noun "boat", after meeting the Ex O at the doorway of HIS CABIN IN HIS SKIVIEES WRITING A LETTER. I was so shocked at not just being in officers country near midnight, both of us mildly tipsee, and as clear as a bell I still remember the Ex O's, (remaining seated of course) his big smile, and saying welcome onboard "our boat"..

A destroyerman, hell nearly any surface sailor keeps a wary eye on the Ex O. They are always the skipper's ramrod, and if you step over a line, rammed by him you will be. Submariners are a different breed altogether.

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Response to denbot (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:31 PM

27. Nice story. Just the other day...

an ex COB that now works for NAVSEA, who I have worked with for years, needed something from me and I told him he had to check something first. His reply was..."I'll go put eyes on the boat."

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Response to denbot (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:32 PM

28. On another note...

I don't know how well I would do on a Tin Can LOL.
I have never been in the Navy but have worked with the submarine fleet for 20 years.

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Response to S/V Loner (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:42 PM

32. 60-70' seas, Caribbean Hurricane.

Yeah buddy, tin can sailor to the bone.



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Response to S/V Loner (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:00 PM

17. Maybe, but only...

If it was a part of the ocean floor or a surface ship they should have detected.

If they hit another sub acting aggressively then probably not.

It had to be something with some mass to throw the crew around.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:58 PM

11. Reminds me of the heady days of the Cold War....

when said objects were Soviet missile boats.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:21 PM

14. It was a great way to get steel samples...

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:37 PM

20. What does that mean? Why would they want steel samples, please (or was it a joke?)

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Response to NullTuples (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:50 PM

21. Sometimes a chunk of the other submarines steel would be embedded in our sub after a collision.

This actually happened a few times, though I was stating this tongue in cheek as a "great way".

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:11 PM

31. Thank you!

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:26 PM

15. It was running with active sonar OFF to remain undetected

relying on charts to highlight seamounts while running slow and quiet.

Not all oceans are charted fully, and this is likely another bathymetry failure we have missed much like the USS San Francisco (SSN-711) collision in 2005.


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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:04 PM

18. An "object"? Godzilla rising!

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:38 PM

19. oh, to be that Captain, his career is over

I hope no one was injured on the other vessel

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:08 PM

22. Out of 59 Subs....

that China has, perhaps one is not return to port.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:01 AM

24. The most expensive US sub ever, and only three Seawolf was build ...

Seawolf was projected to be the most expensive ever built, with a total program cost for 12 submarines estimated in 1991 at $33.6 billion in current dollars. As many as 29 submarines were planned. The Navy's plans for Seawolf would have resulted in spending 25 percent of the Navy's shipbuilding budget on a ship that was designed for threats that vanished with the end of the Cold War.

Two Seawolf Class submarines were authorized by Congress, which in 1995 agreed to terminate the program at three boats. President Clinton endorsed the construction of SSN-23 as the most cost- effective method of retaining the vitality of the submarine industrial base while bridging the gap to the future New Attack Submarine. The Fiscal Year 1998 $153.4 million budget request was the final increment of funding required for the third SEAWOLF to complete the program.

https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/ship/ssn-21.htm

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 08:10 PM

33. I got it. USO. Unidentified Submerged Object, it was aliens, I knew it!

First they come jackin around our aircraft carriers with their "chicklet" scout craft, now they getting bold.

Take out their undersea bases! Then take out their homeworld! Show them we mean business.

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Response to Shanti Shanti Shanti (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:25 PM

36. secureteam10 is saying exactly that

&t=420s

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