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left-of-center2012

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Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:27 PM Oct 2021

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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 OP
Wow jpak Oct 2021 #1
Those and the Virginia class SSN's. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2021 #3
I'm speculating that something hit it jpak Oct 2021 #4
That is a very distinct possibility, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2021 #5
Crazy Ivan.... paleotn Oct 2021 #10
I think that's very unlikely. The sub's sonar would have detected anything that large. Martin68 Oct 2021 #26
I'm Guessing They Were Running Silent/Passive... ruet Oct 2021 #30
Thus, unlikely to be an enemy vessel. Large marine life or semi-submerged flotsam might be more Martin68 Oct 2021 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #2
Isn't it more to demonstrate their right to be there in... brush Oct 2021 #6
This! COL Mustard Oct 2021 #7
This had nothing to do with "demonstrating military prowess." What gave anyone that idea? Martin68 Oct 2021 #35
There is a boat that will definitely... S/V Loner Oct 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #9
You're both right. Lasher Oct 2021 #12
Tradition on subs is to refer to them as a boat. NutmegYankee Oct 2021 #13
I deal with submariners every week and... S/V Loner Oct 2021 #16
I'm ex Navy and rode a Destroyer, submariners call their vessels, "Boats". denbot Oct 2021 #25
Nice story. Just the other day... S/V Loner Oct 2021 #27
On another note... S/V Loner Oct 2021 #28
60-70' seas, Caribbean Hurricane. denbot Oct 2021 #32
Maybe, but only... getagrip_already Oct 2021 #17
Reminds me of the heady days of the Cold War.... paleotn Oct 2021 #11
It was a great way to get steel samples... NutmegYankee Oct 2021 #14
What does that mean? Why would they want steel samples, please (or was it a joke?) NullTuples Oct 2021 #20
Sometimes a chunk of the other submarines steel would be embedded in our sub after a collision. NutmegYankee Oct 2021 #21
Thank you! NullTuples Oct 2021 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C Oct 2021 #23
It was running with active sonar OFF to remain undetected Submariner Oct 2021 #15
An "object"? Godzilla rising! Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2021 #18
oh, to be that Captain, his career is over Shellback Squid Oct 2021 #19
Out of 59 Subs.... Historic NY Oct 2021 #22
The most expensive US sub ever, and only three Seawolf was build ... TomWilm Oct 2021 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Oct 2021 #29
I got it. USO. Unidentified Submerged Object, it was aliens, I knew it! Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2021 #33
secureteam10 is saying exactly that Polybius Oct 2021 #36

jpak

(41,741 posts)
1. Wow
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:36 PM
Oct 2021

These are our most capable subs.

Not good

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,092 posts)
3. Those and the Virginia class SSN's.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:45 PM
Oct 2021

The Los Angeles class SSN's are still pretty capable but they are nearing the end of their service life.
Will be interesting to hear what they hit, if it's ever determined.

jpak

(41,741 posts)
4. I'm speculating that something hit it
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:52 PM
Oct 2021

On purpose

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,092 posts)
5. That is a very distinct possibility,
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:55 PM
Oct 2021

and the most likely culprit would be of Chinese origin.

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
10. Crazy Ivan....
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:55 PM
Oct 2021

Or more likely a crazy Wang Lei.

Martin68

(22,663 posts)
26. I think that's very unlikely. The sub's sonar would have detected anything that large.
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:14 PM
Oct 2021

ruet

(10,035 posts)
30. I'm Guessing They Were Running Silent/Passive...
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:05 PM
Oct 2021

and hit an uncharted object.

Martin68

(22,663 posts)
34. Thus, unlikely to be an enemy vessel. Large marine life or semi-submerged flotsam might be more
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:01 PM
Oct 2021

likely.

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brush

(53,467 posts)
6. Isn't it more to demonstrate their right to be there in...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:06 PM
Oct 2021

international waters as China is trying to "own" that region?

COL Mustard

(5,782 posts)
7. This!
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:29 PM
Oct 2021

International waters belong to no one, so to everyone. If you don't exercise freedom of navigation, you can lose the right through default.

Martin68

(22,663 posts)
35. This had nothing to do with "demonstrating military prowess." What gave anyone that idea?
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:04 PM
Oct 2021

Submarines, be definition, are supposed to remain undetected and could not demonstrate anything.

S/V Loner

(8,992 posts)
8. There is a boat that will definitely...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:38 PM
Oct 2021

have a change of command.

Response to S/V Loner (Reply #8)

Lasher

(27,497 posts)
12. You're both right.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:16 PM
Oct 2021

Submarines are technically ships, but they are traditionally referred to as boats. As they developed into larger vessels - and rightfully should have been called ships - the original term stuck.

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
13. Tradition on subs is to refer to them as a boat.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:21 PM
Oct 2021

They are technically ships, but the term has stuck around.

S/V Loner

(8,992 posts)
16. I deal with submariners every week and...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:54 PM
Oct 2021

I can assure you they call them boats.

denbot

(9,894 posts)
25. I'm ex Navy and rode a Destroyer, submariners call their vessels, "Boats".
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 03:25 PM
Oct 2021

I toured the Bluefish in the late 70's early 80's,while it was tied to our outside, Ashdod Israel. I can most assuredly confirm the usage of the noun "boat", after meeting the Ex O at the doorway of HIS CABIN IN HIS SKIVIEES WRITING A LETTER. I was so shocked at not just being in officers country near midnight, both of us mildly tipsee, and as clear as a bell I still remember the Ex O's, (remaining seated of course) his big smile, and saying welcome onboard "our boat"..

A destroyerman, hell nearly any surface sailor keeps a wary eye on the Ex O. They are always the skipper's ramrod, and if you step over a line, rammed by him you will be. Submariners are a different breed altogether.

S/V Loner

(8,992 posts)
27. Nice story. Just the other day...
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:31 PM
Oct 2021

an ex COB that now works for NAVSEA, who I have worked with for years, needed something from me and I told him he had to check something first. His reply was..."I'll go put eyes on the boat."

S/V Loner

(8,992 posts)
28. On another note...
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:32 PM
Oct 2021

I don't know how well I would do on a Tin Can LOL.
I have never been in the Navy but have worked with the submarine fleet for 20 years.

denbot

(9,894 posts)
32. 60-70' seas, Caribbean Hurricane.
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:42 PM
Oct 2021

Yeah buddy, tin can sailor to the bone.



getagrip_already

(14,226 posts)
17. Maybe, but only...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:00 PM
Oct 2021

If it was a part of the ocean floor or a surface ship they should have detected.

If they hit another sub acting aggressively then probably not.

It had to be something with some mass to throw the crew around.

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
11. Reminds me of the heady days of the Cold War....
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:58 PM
Oct 2021

when said objects were Soviet missile boats.

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
14. It was a great way to get steel samples...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:21 PM
Oct 2021

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
20. What does that mean? Why would they want steel samples, please (or was it a joke?)
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:37 PM
Oct 2021

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
21. Sometimes a chunk of the other submarines steel would be embedded in our sub after a collision.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:50 PM
Oct 2021

This actually happened a few times, though I was stating this tongue in cheek as a "great way".

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
31. Thank you!
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:11 PM
Oct 2021

Response to paleotn (Reply #11)

Submariner

(12,483 posts)
15. It was running with active sonar OFF to remain undetected
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:26 PM
Oct 2021

relying on charts to highlight seamounts while running slow and quiet.

Not all oceans are charted fully, and this is likely another bathymetry failure we have missed much like the USS San Francisco (SSN-711) collision in 2005.


 

Shanti Shanti Shanti

(12,047 posts)
18. An "object"? Godzilla rising!
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:04 PM
Oct 2021

Shellback Squid

(8,909 posts)
19. oh, to be that Captain, his career is over
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:38 PM
Oct 2021

I hope no one was injured on the other vessel

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
22. Out of 59 Subs....
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:08 PM
Oct 2021

that China has, perhaps one is not return to port.

TomWilm

(1,832 posts)
24. The most expensive US sub ever, and only three Seawolf was build ...
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:01 AM
Oct 2021
Seawolf was projected to be the most expensive ever built, with a total program cost for 12 submarines estimated in 1991 at $33.6 billion in current dollars. As many as 29 submarines were planned. The Navy's plans for Seawolf would have resulted in spending 25 percent of the Navy's shipbuilding budget on a ship that was designed for threats that vanished with the end of the Cold War.

Two Seawolf Class submarines were authorized by Congress, which in 1995 agreed to terminate the program at three boats. President Clinton endorsed the construction of SSN-23 as the most cost- effective method of retaining the vitality of the submarine industrial base while bridging the gap to the future New Attack Submarine. The Fiscal Year 1998 $153.4 million budget request was the final increment of funding required for the third SEAWOLF to complete the program.

https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/ship/ssn-21.htm

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Shanti Shanti Shanti

(12,047 posts)
33. I got it. USO. Unidentified Submerged Object, it was aliens, I knew it!
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 08:10 PM
Oct 2021

First they come jackin around our aircraft carriers with their "chicklet" scout craft, now they getting bold.

Take out their undersea bases! Then take out their homeworld! Show them we mean business.

Polybius

(15,235 posts)
36. secureteam10 is saying exactly that
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:25 PM
Oct 2021
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