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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original post)	left-of-center2012	Oct 2021	OP
Wow	jpak	Oct 2021	#1
Those and the Virginia class SSN's.	MarineCombatEngineer	Oct 2021	#3
I'm speculating that something hit it	jpak	Oct 2021	#4
That is a very distinct possibility,	MarineCombatEngineer	Oct 2021	#5
Crazy Ivan....	paleotn	Oct 2021	#10
I think that's very unlikely. The sub's sonar would have detected anything that large.	Martin68	Oct 2021	#26
I'm Guessing They Were Running Silent/Passive...	ruet	Oct 2021	#30
Thus, unlikely to be an enemy vessel. Large marine life or semi-submerged flotsam might be more	Martin68	Oct 2021	#34
This message was self-deleted by its author	left-of-center2012	Oct 2021	#2
Isn't it more to demonstrate their right to be there in...	brush	Oct 2021	#6
This!	COL Mustard	Oct 2021	#7
This had nothing to do with "demonstrating military prowess." What gave anyone that idea?	Martin68	Oct 2021	#35
There is a boat that will definitely...	S/V Loner	Oct 2021	#8
This message was self-deleted by its author	left-of-center2012	Oct 2021	#9
You're both right.	Lasher	Oct 2021	#12
Tradition on subs is to refer to them as a boat.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2021	#13
I deal with submariners every week and...	S/V Loner	Oct 2021	#16
I'm ex Navy and rode a Destroyer, submariners call their vessels, "Boats".	denbot	Oct 2021	#25
Nice story. Just the other day...	S/V Loner	Oct 2021	#27
On another note...	S/V Loner	Oct 2021	#28
60-70' seas, Caribbean Hurricane.	denbot	Oct 2021	#32
Maybe, but only...	getagrip_already	Oct 2021	#17
Reminds me of the heady days of the Cold War....	paleotn	Oct 2021	#11
It was a great way to get steel samples...	NutmegYankee	Oct 2021	#14
What does that mean? Why would they want steel samples, please (or was it a joke?)	NullTuples	Oct 2021	#20
Sometimes a chunk of the other submarines steel would be embedded in our sub after a collision.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2021	#21
Thank you!	NullTuples	Oct 2021	#31
This message was self-deleted by its author	Anon-C	Oct 2021	#23
It was running with active sonar OFF to remain undetected	Submariner	Oct 2021	#15
An "object"? Godzilla rising!	Shanti Shanti Shanti	Oct 2021	#18
oh, to be that Captain, his career is over	Shellback Squid	Oct 2021	#19
Out of 59 Subs....	Historic NY	Oct 2021	#22
The most expensive US sub ever, and only three Seawolf was build ...	TomWilm	Oct 2021	#24
This message was self-deleted by its author	ExTex	Oct 2021	#29
I got it. USO. Unidentified Submerged Object, it was aliens, I knew it!	Shanti Shanti Shanti	Oct 2021	#33
secureteam10 is saying exactly that	Polybius	Oct 2021	#36

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:36 PM

jpak (41,189 posts)

1. Wow

These are our most capable subs.

Not good

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Response to jpak (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:45 PM

MarineCombatEngineer (7,190 posts)

3. Those and the Virginia class SSN's.

The Los Angeles class SSN's are still pretty capable but they are nearing the end of their service life.
Will be interesting to hear what they hit, if it's ever determined.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:52 PM

jpak (41,189 posts)

4. I'm speculating that something hit it

On purpose

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Response to jpak (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:55 PM

MarineCombatEngineer (7,190 posts)

5. That is a very distinct possibility,

and the most likely culprit would be of Chinese origin.

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Response to jpak (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:55 PM

paleotn (13,968 posts)

10. Crazy Ivan....

Or more likely a crazy Wang Lei.

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Response to jpak (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:14 PM

Martin68 (18,776 posts)

26. I think that's very unlikely. The sub's sonar would have detected anything that large.

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Response to Martin68 (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:05 PM

ruet (9,561 posts)

30. I'm Guessing They Were Running Silent/Passive...

and hit an uncharted object.

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Response to ruet (Reply #30)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:01 PM

Martin68 (18,776 posts)

34. Thus, unlikely to be an enemy vessel. Large marine life or semi-submerged flotsam might be more

likely.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:06 PM

brush (43,007 posts)

6. Isn't it more to demonstrate their right to be there in...

international waters as China is trying to "own" that region?

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Response to brush (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:29 PM

COL Mustard (3,822 posts)

7. This!

International waters belong to no one, so to everyone. If you don't exercise freedom of navigation, you can lose the right through default.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:04 PM

Martin68 (18,776 posts)

35. This had nothing to do with "demonstrating military prowess." What gave anyone that idea?

Submarines, be definition, are supposed to remain undetected and could not demonstrate anything.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:38 PM

S/V Loner (8,914 posts)

8. There is a boat that will definitely...

have a change of command.

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Response to S/V Loner (Reply #8)

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:16 PM

Lasher (24,966 posts)

12. You're both right.

Submarines are technically ships, but they are traditionally referred to as boats. As they developed into larger vessels - and rightfully should have been called ships - the original term stuck.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:21 PM

NutmegYankee (15,455 posts)

13. Tradition on subs is to refer to them as a boat.

They are technically ships, but the term has stuck around.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:54 PM

S/V Loner (8,914 posts)

16. I deal with submariners every week and...

I can assure you they call them boats.

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Response to S/V Loner (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 03:25 PM

denbot (9,820 posts)

25. I'm ex Navy and rode a Destroyer, submariners call their vessels, "Boats".

I toured the Bluefish in the late 70's early 80's,while it was tied to our outside, Ashdod Israel. I can most assuredly confirm the usage of the noun "boat", after meeting the Ex O at the doorway of HIS CABIN IN HIS SKIVIEES WRITING A LETTER. I was so shocked at not just being in officers country near midnight, both of us mildly tipsee, and as clear as a bell I still remember the Ex O's, (remaining seated of course) his big smile, and saying welcome onboard "our boat"..

A destroyerman, hell nearly any surface sailor keeps a wary eye on the Ex O. They are always the skipper's ramrod, and if you step over a line, rammed by him you will be. Submariners are a different breed altogether.

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Response to denbot (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:31 PM

S/V Loner (8,914 posts)

27. Nice story. Just the other day...

an ex COB that now works for NAVSEA, who I have worked with for years, needed something from me and I told him he had to check something first. His reply was..."I'll go put eyes on the boat."

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Response to denbot (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:32 PM

S/V Loner (8,914 posts)

28. On another note...

I don't know how well I would do on a Tin Can LOL.
I have never been in the Navy but have worked with the submarine fleet for 20 years.

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Response to S/V Loner (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:42 PM

denbot (9,820 posts)

32. 60-70' seas, Caribbean Hurricane.

Yeah buddy, tin can sailor to the bone.

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Response to S/V Loner (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:00 PM

getagrip_already (9,069 posts)

17. Maybe, but only...

If it was a part of the ocean floor or a surface ship they should have detected.

If they hit another sub acting aggressively then probably not.

It had to be something with some mass to throw the crew around.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:58 PM

paleotn (13,968 posts)

11. Reminds me of the heady days of the Cold War....

when said objects were Soviet missile boats.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:21 PM

NutmegYankee (15,455 posts)

14. It was a great way to get steel samples...

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:37 PM

NullTuples (3,080 posts)

20. What does that mean? Why would they want steel samples, please (or was it a joke?)

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Response to NullTuples (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:50 PM

NutmegYankee (15,455 posts)

21. Sometimes a chunk of the other submarines steel would be embedded in our sub after a collision.

This actually happened a few times, though I was stating this tongue in cheek as a "great way".

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:11 PM

NullTuples (3,080 posts)

31. Thank you!

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Response to paleotn (Reply #11)

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:26 PM

Submariner (11,953 posts)

15. It was running with active sonar OFF to remain undetected

relying on charts to highlight seamounts while running slow and quiet.

Not all oceans are charted fully, and this is likely another bathymetry failure we have missed much like the USS San Francisco (SSN-711) collision in 2005.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:04 PM

Shanti Shanti Shanti (11,274 posts)

18. An "object"? Godzilla rising!

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:38 PM

Shellback Squid (8,450 posts)

19. oh, to be that Captain, his career is over

I hope no one was injured on the other vessel

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:08 PM

Historic NY (35,752 posts)

22. Out of 59 Subs....

that China has, perhaps one is not return to port.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:01 AM

TomWilm (1,734 posts)

24. The most expensive US sub ever, and only three Seawolf was build ...

Seawolf was projected to be the most expensive ever built, with a total program cost for 12 submarines estimated in 1991 at $33.6 billion in current dollars. As many as 29 submarines were planned. The Navy's plans for Seawolf would have resulted in spending 25 percent of the Navy's shipbuilding budget on a ship that was designed for threats that vanished with the end of the Cold War.

Two Seawolf Class submarines were authorized by Congress, which in 1995 agreed to terminate the program at three boats. President Clinton endorsed the construction of SSN-23 as the most cost- effective method of retaining the vitality of the submarine industrial base while bridging the gap to the future New Attack Submarine. The Fiscal Year 1998 $153.4 million budget request was the final increment of funding required for the third SEAWOLF to complete the program.

https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/ship/ssn-21.htm

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 08:10 PM

Shanti Shanti Shanti (11,274 posts)

33. I got it. USO. Unidentified Submerged Object, it was aliens, I knew it!

First they come jackin around our aircraft carriers with their "chicklet" scout craft, now they getting bold.

Take out their undersea bases! Then take out their homeworld! Show them we mean business.

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Response to Shanti Shanti Shanti (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:25 PM

Polybius (10,118 posts)

36. secureteam10 is saying exactly that

&t=420s

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