Jeffrey Epstein's former pilot testifies Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew flew

[brooklynite]

Source: CNN

(CNN)Jeffrey Epstein's former pilot testified in Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial Tuesday that a who's who of powerful men, including former Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, flew aboard Epstein's private plane.

The pilot, Larry Visoski, said he would typically be given notice if Clinton or high-profile passengers like him would be flying.

He recalled renowned violinist Itzhak Perlman flew to Michigan with Epstein for the Interlochen Center for the Arts summer camp. He said he remembered Prince Andrew, Maine Sen. George Mitchell, Ohio Sen. John Glenn and actor Kevin Spacey on flights.

He also said he'd fly Epstein to Columbus, Ohio, where Epstein also had property, to see billionaire businessman Les Wexner. Epstein referred to Wexner as his client but Visoski said he believed them to be friends as well.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/30/us/ghislaine-maxwell-pilot/index.html

[Deep State Witch]

1. Disappointed

I'm disappointed that Itzhak Perlman and John Glenn are on the Epstein list.

[whathehell]

9. Lol

not Bill Clinton?

[Beastly Boy]

10. Why?

Many people make itinerary choices they live to regret. And many people make questionable acquaintances they live to regret. In itself, no indication of malice or complicity in either.

[mountain grammy]

24. Exactly! Well said.

[NurseJackie]

54. Thank you.

[RobinA]

74. That, And Epstein

was more than just a procurer of women. Girls. Globetrotting dudes hang together. It doesn't mean they're all guilty of each others' crimes.

[Marthe48]

83. I firgured some passengers didn't rape children

or they'd be in the traitor's camp.

[zaj]

22. Flying on a plane isn't sexual abuse of minors.

There will be (likely) many more famous people who had nothing to do with being child predator.

Hard to say which is which, but start with those being reported as "he liked young girls". That's seemingly Trump (and maybe Clinton?) from this list?

[SergeStorms]

35. Randy Andy as well.

His sexual proclivities are one of the worst guarded "secrets" of the Royal family.

[zaj]

53. Even Clinton seems unlikely IMO

Not to be naive, but he's far smarter than to go there. 22 and embarrassing is a far cry from 16 and prison.

Trump on the other hand, seems certain.

[CTyankee]

82. me too. What the hell...

[grumpyduck]

2. Okay, fine, but so what?

The article didn't say anything about a connection. Are we just dropping names now?

[brooklynite]

3. Testimony in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.

[grumpyduck]

6. I understand that, but

the article referenced does not make any connections between these people and what Epstein and Maxwell were allegedly doing. It just says the pilot remembers them.

Does that mean they will be under investigation too? Or are they just names dropped for the heck of it?

[brooklynite]

8. This was in response to a question by prosecutors. You'll have to ask them.

[dpibel]

40. Clickbait, mainly. Putting it most generously.

The next paragraph of this innocent recounting of important testimony that you should want to know about says that none of the named individuals is accused of any connection with the Maxwell/Epstein crimes.

So the article supplies the very information you were looking for.

The OP just inexplicably decided not to mention that.

[LenaBaby61]

7. Are we just dropping names now?

Get it right:

This mostly corporate & right-winged greedy media will drop any and all names of Dem pols if more than Bill Clinton is 'involved' whatever 'involved' means.

I can just see Andrea "But her emails" Mitchell turn herself into "Andrea "Former President Bill Clinton was flown to see Jeffrey Epstein" Mitchell. Or Chuck "Both sides do it" Toad turn HIMSELF into "I wonder how deeply former President Clinton is involved with Epstein" Toad. You see how this corporate, right-leaning, greedy media almost never mentions tRump and all of his sexual assaults, possible rapes etc.

[brooklynite]

12. This is not name-dropping; this is what happened in the Maxwell trial today.

And they included both Clinton and Trump. So how is this biased reporting?

[LenaBaby61]

15. This is not name-dropping; this is what happened in the Maxwell trial today.

I don't care what it was, this will become ALLLL about Bill Clinton thanks to the mostly right-winged, corporate, greedy media who mostly doesn't even BOTHER checking the lies of the GQP US Taliban party. How many times has this corporate media bothered to even mention tRump and his 25 or so accusers lately or ever?

Sen & racist from Ak. Tom Cotten Pickin' said that food shortages are worse now under Biden than ever. Has this lying racist "Slavery was a necessary evil" asshole forgotten about last year's food shortages which were far worse than they are NOW? NO he hasn't forgotten, but this GQP US Taliban Party is just like their brethren over in Afghanistan. Their gas-lighting is giving old school Fascists & Nazis a run for their money.

These GQP US Taliban asses wouldn't even vote to give people (GQP voters don't need insulin?) who need Insulin a break on it's pricing. Thanks to Dems/Biden, now one can afford a $35 vile of insulin instead of having to pay $200-$300 dollars per vile for insulin.


And he said managing trade wars was EASY, then the supply chain collapsed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickhelfenbein/2021/10/19/trump-said-trade-wars-are-easy-to-win--then-the-supply-chain-collapsed/?sh=1408fe6d37a2


I haven't as of yet seen anything like below happening under Biden as of yet. IF it did or does, let me know.

[brooklynite]

21. Explain, if you will, how the Maxwell trial should be covered.

[Torchlight]

31. With professional relevance and objective analysis I would think.

But sure, for-profit media often requires the immaterial, the puerile, the melodramatic, and the insignificant to get more clicks, more eyeballs and more ratings.

[brooklynite]

34. So you don't want the testimony reported. Got it.

[Torchlight]

42. In its totality and in all circumstances? No, that's not a viable product for consumption.

Relevant excepts, sure! And the transcript for later.

(if you're gonna jump off the deep end with self-serving mistranslations every time someone disagrees with you, maybe get a snorkel)

[grumpyduck]

45. This is exactly what the RW media does.

Report part of a story, drop a few innuendos, then sit back and let people discuss whether or not it's true, or relevant, or what they may have meant, blah blah blah, all for more clicks and money.

Somehow I doubt the lawyers would have just let the pilot say he flew all these people here and there. They would have asked him for what, and how often, and so forth, either to build their case (prosecution) or to poo-poo it (defense). So, to me, just dropping the names in that article was just that: dropping names.

And here we are arguing the reporting instead of the facts that came out in the trial. Sure, makes me want to go back for more clickbait.

Not.

[LenaBaby61]

77. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 SOME folks just don't & won't get it .......

Look at the shit this greedy clown said 👇🏻

Leslie Moonves on Donald Trump: “It May Not Be Good for America, but It’s Damn Good for CBS”

Leslie Moonves can appreciate a Donald Trump candidacy.

Not that the CBS executive chairman and CEO might vote for the Republican presidential frontrunner, but he likes the ad money Trump and his competitors are bringing to the network.

“It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” he said of the presidential race.

Moonves called the campaign for president a “circus” full of “bomb throwing,” and he hopes it continues.

“Most of the ads are not about issues. They’re sort of like the debates,” he said.

“Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now? … The money’s rolling in and this is fun,” he said.

“I’ve never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going,” said Moonves.

“Donald’s place in this election is a good thing,” he said Monday at the Morgan Stanley Technology, Media & Telecom Conference in San Francisco.

“There’s a lot of money in the marketplace,” the exec said of political advertising so far this presidential season.

Beyond politics, Moonves said ad sales in general are strong because there’s not a lot of places beyond The Big Bang Theory where advertisers can reach 20 million people all at once.

He also said cord-shaving and cord-cutting isn’t having the negative impact on CBS that the phenomenon is having on lesser networks.

“You cannot live without CBS,” Moonves said, ticking off NFL coverage, Stephen Colbert and 60 Minutes.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464/

SO happy this fool got his ass handed to him after he blackballed Janet Jackson.

And CNN's all over the damn place I'm told with their 'take' on a Biden Administration.


Journalists Keep Complaining Biden Is Too ‘Boring’ (Translation: Trump Is More Fun To Write About)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andymeek/2021/07/17/journalists-keep-complaining-biden-is-too-boring-translation-trump-is-more-fun-to-write-about/?sh=11e8253b6f98

[LenaBaby61]

76. Explain, if you will, how the Maxwell trial should be covered.

Hold up, I didn't say not to bring up the fact that IF Bill Clinton is involved, and he was in some kind of way with Epstein. It is what it IS, Bill Clinton included.

However, I hope you've seen enough of this mostly corporate, right-leaning, greedy news media that does NOT hold the GQP US Taliban Party accountable for very much, and that party is responsible for a LOT of damage that's going on in this country.

When Hillary Clinton had that issue with her emails, Andrea "But her emails" Mitchell couldn't go one word without mentioning Clinton's horrible, terrible judgement of her emails. Fast forward to Ivanka and all of her and slumlord Jared's EMAIL usage. Friends who can stomach to watch that clown daily post Hillary tell me that she never once mentioned all of the email usage on a private server in tRump's white house, and I that the $670 million that they made while in fatso's administration didn't just jump into their greedy, grifting laps. That family is nothing but a bunch of treasonous, grifting, lying, criminals, just like most in the GQP ARE. Then there's Chuck "both sides do it" Toad who the other day said something along the lines of the Dem Congress and the GQP have to work together. HOW in the hell can they do that when ONE party is responsible for wanting to shut the government completely DOWN, because it's what they always do so they can get their way?

I'm sorry, but if you like that kind of Mitchell/Toad other corporate media hacks 'coverage' of the news from one side, God Bless you.

[mitch96]

23. Bill Clintonpast scandalmore clicks for MSM...uff...nt

[Traildogbob]

51. 😂😂😂

Mitchell and the Toad. Both are drooling already to hang Clinton.

[oldsoftie]

68. Both Clinton & Trump are mentioned. Neither more than the other. Yes, its news.

because of who the are; just like the other famous names.
I doubt any of what you say will actually happen, unless its on OAN or Newsmax

[Beaverhausen]

36. Epstein was a philanthropist and offered flights, etc for some of those who came to him for money

I think Perlman, Glenn, and possibly Clinton are in that category.

[Effete Snob]

78. Yah...

People act like Epstein was engaged full time in child abuse, and that anyone with whom he associated was in on it.

That feeds into a Q narrative, so it is useful for some people.

[gab13by13]

4. Just a wild guess,

Trump was on the Lolita Express to go scuba diving.

[PoliticAverse]

5. We knew this before because there are physical flight logs listing passengers. n/t

[Cicada]

11. Destination logs showed Bill Clinton going to international conferences

Epstein loaned the plain to the Clinton Foundation to fly to major international cities such as Tokyo, Singapore, Helsinki, Hong Kong where international health conferences were held, plus a couple trips to Africa. None of the flight logs showed a trip to Epstein’s private island or to any place other than where Clinton would be logically on Foundation business.I saw all the flight logs with departure and destination columns on line. Absolutely nothing indicated anything improper.

[chowder66]

13. +1

[Rebl2]

30. True, but you

know MSM will make a big deal out of it and turn it into something it’s not.

[Hekate]

59. +2

[stopdiggin]

72. and that's more or less where the 'objection' lies

and the article in question goes on to state that a lot of these 'names' are not implicated in anything at all (other than poor judgement in association?). So, yes - the headline is about name dropping (in large part). Serves to illustrate virtually nothing about Epstein, Maxwell, or exploitation.

[monkeyman1]

14. here we go again ?

[onetexan]

16. i get it that these big name people flew on Epstein's private jet, but the million dollar question

is whether this pilot has any proof they were engaged in any kind of illegal activity on board, or that he was carting them off to participate in some nefarious activity. Just saying he carted them around in Epstein's big jet isn't a big deal to me unless it's corroborating a crime of some sort.

[Evolve Dammit]

44. Pilots know most of what is happening, who is on board, and what they are going to be doing.

[gab13by13]

46. Don't pick on the pilot,

he already testified that he wasn't a witness to any sexual activity but his testimony was important because he testified that he recognized one of the underage girls who was on his plane.

[onetexan]

65. Not kicking anyone. If he did recognize the underage gal

He can corroborate she was w them to some extent.

[oldsoftie]

69. Pilot said he never saw anything going on with any of those named.

Just that they were passengers

[NoMoreRepugs]

17. The Clinton name is the world's stickiest flypaper isn't it? The media literally has palpitations

when its mentioned in court.

[RobinA]

75. Great Way

of putting it. Meanwhile, his "crimes" could not be more banal.

[jgmiller]

18. Epstein got where he was by trading favors

Just because various influential people (even Trump) flew on his plane doesn't mean they were involved in anything he was involved in. It just means that Epstein knew how to work things to get what he wanted. When you are an influence pedler you might help one person do something that is completely innocent and aboveboard. It might even be good for society. Then the next day you might help someone do something complete immoral and evil. It's how he worked.

[ShazzieB]

25. EXACTLY.

[DanieRains]

19. Yes Bill Clinton Was On Some Flights With His Secret Service Detail

Old news.

[dpibel]

20. And the very next paragraph...

"None of the high profile passengers mentioned in Visoski's testimony Tuesday are alleged to have committed any wrongdoing in relation to the ongoing trial. Clinton's spokesman previously admitted to Clinton being aboard Epstein's plane four times but said the former president knew nothing about Epstein's "terrible crimes."

I know, I know: There's a four-graf limit for quotes on DU.

But, gosh, you coulda left out, e.g., paragraph 2 in order to work in paragraph 5.

That wouldn't have had the same effect, though, would it?

[radicalleft]

26. Boom!

[FailureToCommunicate]

38. Thank you for that paragraph five...

There is no way Maestro Itzhak Perlman, for instance, was involved in any of the horrid Epstein stuff.

Sheesh.

[milestogo]

57. And we all know Kevin Spacey likes underage males, not females.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. +1. Mindless regurgitation of first 4 paras of an article is mindless & doesn't care for readers. nt

[Hekate]

27. When this first broke a year or two ago I remember thinking Epstein was very, very clever...

He was generous with his (non-sexual) favors of private jet flights and the like, and he ended up with a Rolodex just stuffed with the names of men who were powerful, influential, highly-accomplished in their fields, and well-regarded. Itzhak Perlman was given a ride to Interlochen, f’gods’ sake.

He could parlay those connections in so many ways, from looking innocent and generous (to the innocent) to implied or outright blackmail (to those who accepted his gifts of underage sex-toys).

[brewens]

28. Not Limbaugh? Oh. I guess we'd call it the "Brolita Express" if that were the case. :) n/t

[Evolve Dammit]

47. Rush apparently liked boys on the trip when his erectile enhancing meds were seized. I hate that I

even was aware of that. Yeww. Meds were "someone else's".

[displacedtexan]

29. My daughter spent her first annual 8 week Interlochen summer camp at age 9.

I remember visiting and seeing Perlman play music from Schindler's List.
Our daughter attended every summer thereafter, except 1 at Dance Aspen, before boarding school at The Interlochen Fine Arts Academy at age 16, where she graduated in 2001.
Anyway, my point is that it would be impossible to assault or even groom young girls in the humid, pine sappy Michigan woods without anyone noticing. Kids, parents, faculty, and staff are always trudging dirt and pine needle paths between buildings, driving maintenance golf carts, standing in line for food, or buying memorabilia or supplies at the gift shop.

[iemanja]

32. How does that relate to the Lolita express?

Epstein had an island he raped the underage girls on. That isn't up for dispute.

[gab13by13]

48. It is now.

[iemanja]

56. Why?

Suddenly a man who pled guilty of assaulting minors is supposed to be innocent? Fuck that bullshit.

[oldsoftie]

70. Only if you dont believe the victims & the evidence. nt

[GusBob]

63. If you meant to reply to #29

That summer camp is where Epstein and Maxwell met one of their victims, she testified during the trial today, that is how the camp the poster describes is related to the case

Also she testified she was assaulted in Florida and New Mexico I believe, not at the island

[Crepuscular]

55. ...

Epstein was a major donor to Interlochen to the point that he had his own cabin on the campus. The mother of a 13 year old camper alleges that Epstein tried to groom her daughter while she was attending the camp. Maxwell got to know the girl and gained her trust, which seems to be the usual MO for procuring girls for Epstein. Fortunately the girls mother sensed something creepy about Epsteins interest in her daughter and made sure that she was never alone with him. I think you might be surprised at the kind of things that can happen at private schools/camps. Btw, I also saw Perlman play the Shindlers list music at Interlochen, he was amazing!

[dflprincess]

60. Here's a link to your post

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-had-his-own-lodge-at-interlochens-prestigious-arts-camp-for-kids-in-michigan

Though I would think by now we would have heard of other inappropriate actions by Epstein at the camp.

[displacedtexan]

81. Oooh! Did Epstein own that million dollar cabin?

It stuck out like a sore thumb among the soggy, rickety ones that campers lived in.

[GusBob]

64. Are you sure it was "impossible" ?

To groom a victim there

In court testimony today one of his victims described meeting Epstein and Maxwell at the camp

[Effete Snob]

79. Agree

My stepdaughter attended every summer during her teen years too. It's a tightly run ship.

[FakeNoose]

33. It's obvious that Epstein used to toadie-up to famous and powerful men

That was how he gained acceptance into "their" world - he did favors for them. Some of them might have even known about his pedophile tendencies, others mostly didn't know and didn't care. There's so much we don't know about how Epstein made his money. Was he really a billionaire? I don't think so, but his motto was always, "Fake it till you make it."

Was Chump ever a billionaire? Probably not, but every time he claimed to be one, everybody believed him. Epstein had the same type of MO, and he also used blackmail to get ahead. Once somebody "owed" Epstein a favor, he took advantage. The whole pedophile angle was only used once in a while, because he also used people for other reasons. Name-dropping was a big one. I'm sure he dropped Chump's and Bill Clinton's name everywhere. I'm sure Prince Andrew knew Epstein was dropping his name, and he didn't care.

I hope this trial sheds more light on how Epstein gained his wealth, but I'm afraid we'll be disappointed in that regard. He knew a lot of rich, powerful people, and Ghislaine Maxwell opened doors for him to meet even more politically-connected people.

[Catherine Vincent]

37. Not that it matters but Trump humpers

...swear that twice impeached Trump never flew on any Epstein Lolita Express flights since he owned his own private plane. They kept repeating Bill Clinton blah blah blah.

[Joinfortmill]

41. Epstein knew a lot of people

Not all of them were pedophiles

[iluvtennis]

43. IF I fly on a sexual assaulter's [Epstein] plane, THEN I'm a sexual assaulter- that's ILLOGICAL. n/t

[Effete Snob]

73. It's logical to those who believe...

...in "the big secret cabal of powerful child abusers" - a belief which dates back to medieval times and up to Qanon.

[JohnnyRingo]

49. Didn't bury him deep enough.

He's still pulling people down with him.

[Evolve Dammit]

50. want to hear more about Alan Dershowitz "underwear on" story while he was a guest...

See how easy it is to have a distraction after 5 years of shit?

[Crazyleftie]

52. I want to see the passenger lists........

[Catherine Vincent]

58. Just saw on CNN

Sex Trafficing Trial
Former pilot testified he flew Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and others. No mention of Trump.

Then the heading changes to "Accused 'Jane' testified she was sexually abused by Epstein and Maxwell starting when she was 14."

[Drunken Irishman]

61. Clinton and Trump are guilty of just being terrible judges of character.

That's about the extent of all we know. Both were friends with Maxwell and Epstein. Both had to have known that Epstein was perverted. I refuse to believe either didn't know considering it was, as is the case frequently, a fairly open secret into the 2000s before Epstein was finally arrested.

The thing that really burns me is that Clinton continued to associate with Maxwell even after Epstein was charged and locked up in the 2000s (and then eventually put on home release). He even invited Maxwell to Chelsea's wedding in 2010.

I can't trust anything Bill Clinton or Donald Trump say about anything to be honest.

[Raine]

67. That's the way I feel too. nt

[hamsterjill]

62. Just legal antics

The attorneys are just trying to titillate the press with a few big names. If they had more evidence, they would have asked stronger questions of the pilot.

Being on the plane does not make someone guilty of the crimes being prosecuted.

[left-of-center2012]

66. Guilt by association?

They flew on his plane is not the same as they did something wrong.

[oldsoftie]

71. Guilt by association happens a LOT. Here too.

[Tommy Carcetti]

80. We already knew this. nt