Gov. Whitmer says President Biden's COVID-19 vaccine mandate a 'problem,' report says
Source: Detroit Free Press
Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, in her strongest public remarks to date about President Joe Biden's vaccine mandate for employers, said Monday that the requirement is "a problem" for her and state government, according to a published report.
The Daily News in Greenville reported Whitmer as telling business leaders in Montcalm County that she had the same concerns as some of them that the mandate, if enforced, could lead to workers, including those in state government, walking off the job.
"Were an employer too, the state of Michigan is," Whitmer was reported as saying. "I know if that mandate happens, were going to lose state employees. Thats why I havent proposed a mandate at the state level. Some states have. We have not, were waiting to see what happens in court."
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Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)ybbor
(1,552 posts)She has both the house and senate controlled by Rs. Trump has emboldened all the crazies.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)against Biden will sink her election, not help. Her numbers were just fine when she told the fascists to get fucked, now she looks weak.
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catbyte
(34,170 posts)There are a lot of shitheads about this in Michigan right now.
Rebl2
(13,311 posts)Dem Governor and state house pretty much republicans. KS Governor spoke out against the mandate. She thinks it will help her in her re-election, but I seriously doubt it will.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)Again, SMH.
catbyte
(34,170 posts)so much more for us than any gqp governor would have ever done. If you're not in Michigan, you wouldn't understand.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)I would rather save ONE life than be a governor with that death on my hands. YMMV.
karynnj
(59,475 posts)I know mandates result in more vaccinations which mean less hospitalizations and death. However, the state also needs to function and it will be tough if too many employees leave. The NYC experience was that though there were complaints, virtually all police, firemen etc complied. It may not be the same in places like Michigan.
It might be that a position of advocating and providing easy access and incentives for vaccinating, but not mandating, vaccines might be as far as you can go in some red states.
DownriverDem
(6,206 posts)a lot of trumpers here.
MichMan
(11,789 posts)She doesn't have to impose her own, she could just support the one currently going through the courts that President Biden issued by not saying anything
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LisaL
(44,962 posts)But it's a vaccine mandate that's a problem?
"Michigan continues to struggle amid the pandemic, setting a record this week for Covid-19 hospitalizations and leading the nation in per capita case rates, new data reveal."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/07/health/michigan-covid-cases-hospitalizations/index.html
JohnSJ
(91,962 posts)is against vaccine mandates, add a cup of Manchin and Sinema, and the results of the midterms should not surprise anyone
Does Whitmer believe this will help her with republicans?
catbyte
(34,170 posts)JohnSJ
(91,962 posts)I wonder if those independents believe in a womans right to choose?
vercetti2021
(10,150 posts)Democrats ran away from Obama due to the ACA and look at what happened. Instead of running on it. They ran away and lost in mass. No one fucking learns
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yaesu
(8,020 posts)Done & done.
Lucky Luciano
(11,242 posts)Skittles
(152,964 posts)they are willing to compromise the health of their coworkers and help to spread a virus, ENOUGH ALREADY
START TRAINING THEIR REPLACEMENTS NOW
progree
(10,864 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 8, 2021, 03:00 AM - Edit history (4)
reversing nearly 2 1/2 months of progress. (7 day moving average = 7dma)
It's particularly sad because the Monday (Nov 29) that dropped out of the 7 day moving average period was one that was somewhat artificially high because it had some backlogged cases reported from the Thanksgiving weekend. I was hoping that when that Monday dropped off, the 7 day moving average might go down a bit. But no, Monday Dec 6's 7dma was even higher than Mon Nov 29. Maybe Tuesday Nov 30 -- also somewhat swollen with Thanksgiving 4-day weekend backlog (for example, my state, Minnesota reports weekend cases on Tuesday) -- will, when it drops out of the 7dma, bring the 7dma down a bit.
But that's the last of the special circumstances that might help with the 7dma. Unless last Wednesday (Dec 1) also had a significant number of Thanksgiving 4-day weekend cases, which i have no reason to believe it does.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
(no paywall no quota. The "Last 90 days" button above the graph is extremely helpful. The map is not to be missed)
Top 16 in Daily new cases per capita, 7 day moving average (includes Monday Dec 6 cases)
#1 New Hampshire
#2 Michigan (has been #1 or #2 for about a month)
#3 Minnesota
#4 Rhode Island
#5 Vermont
#6 New Mexico
#7 Wisconsin
#8 Indiana
#9 Massachusetts
#10 Ohio
#11-#16: NoDak, SoDak, Kansas, W.Virginia, Delaware, Pennsylvania
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As for what states are changing in 7-day new case averages: For one, the South is increasing again. All of the southern states are increasing. All of them.
The only states that are decreasing: Iowa, Washington, Idaho, Maine, Wyoming, Colorado, Hawaii, Alaska, Montana
2 states are flat. The other 39 states are rising. For a 39-9-2 record.
Increasing means the 7 day moving average ending December 6 is higher than the 7 day moving average ending November 22 (which is 14 days prior to Dec 6).
Deaths up 39% from Nov 29 low (they lag increases in cases by a month or a little more).
The world is on fire too -- new cases are up 50% since the October 14 low (7dma).
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html
gab13by13
(20,865 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)Dealing with a crisis? Or keeping the lights on?
Sorry that basic services your tax dollars pay for will be down for an indeterminate. Theres a large chunk of the state workforce that refuses to get vaccinated.
Would you want to be governor, and have to explain that to your state? That you cant keep basic stuff in your state working? Absent a viable alternative, shes just gonna have to let things be, and hope for the best.
What else can she do if she loses 30-40% of the state workforce? Were getting into winter. What happens if nearly half of the snowplows stop? Or people running the courthouse? Or state assistance office? What kind of back log would that create?
There are no good answers. Just some that are t as awful as the rest.
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radicalleft
(478 posts)She is between a rock and a hard place. The R legislature has and continue to make things tough for her and her team. Coming up on an election year, a mandate at the state level could really backfire among independents. The attack ads would be non stop and full of hate and vitriol.
If we lose state workers going into the winter, it could prove deadly. Until she has the backing of the USSC, she can't really do much.