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jmbar2

(4,874 posts)
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 11:11 AM Jan 2022

Sweden Creates Agency to Combat Fake News Ahead of Election

Source: Associated Press

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Sweden, which is holding a general election in September, has joined France in creating an agency to combat disinformation.

The mission of the Swedish Psychological Defense Agency is to “defend our open and democratic society and free opinions by identifying, analyzing and responding to inappropriate influences and other misleading information directed at Sweden or Swedish interests.”

The agency, which started up Jan. 1, has departments that respectively “identify, analyze and respond to the impact of undue information influence and other misleading information” and “to develop and strengthen society’s overall capacity for psychological defense."

The government authority, which didn't name any countries it suspects of participating in disinformation campaigns, said it "will provide support to the population, agencies, municipalities, the media, voluntary defense organizations and civil society in general, as well as working for increased coordination between these actors.”

Read more: https://www.barchart.com/story/news/6849365/sweden-creates-agency-to-combat-fake-news-ahead-of-election



We need something like this in the US.
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Sweden Creates Agency to Combat Fake News Ahead of Election (Original Post) jmbar2 Jan 2022 OP
Makes perfect sense, but we're too far down the road to Fascism to expect honesty to prevail. Firestorm49 Jan 2022 #1
If We Had A Similar Agency Here Do You Think..... global1 Jan 2022 #2
Smart people would trust it jmbar2 Jan 2022 #3
So Over Time - The Antivax & Antimask Movement Will Burn Itself Out?..... global1 Jan 2022 #6
Well, consider this... jmbar2 Jan 2022 #8
Specific false information may be largely replaced summer_in_TX Jan 2022 #12
Sometimes moreland01 Jan 2022 #4
It's helpful to understand some of the dynamics of lying and possible responses. jmbar2 Jan 2022 #5
The military use counter-propaganda to handle disinformation. summer_in_TX Jan 2022 #13
Good info - thanks jmbar2 Jan 2022 #14
I've been doing a lot of debunking too. summer_in_TX Jan 2022 #15
I sat through all of the Jan 6 commenmoration speeches by our Senators this week jmbar2 Jan 2022 #16
That's great! summer_in_TX Jan 2022 #18
I am afraid it might get the opposite effect ... TomWilm Jan 2022 #7
IT won't work here. Those that claim "fake news" for anything that makes their side look bad AZLD4Candidate Jan 2022 #9
I remember when France did this. BigmanPigman Jan 2022 #10
If the agency doesn't have the teeth to shut down disinformation, it's just wasting time FakeNoose Jan 2022 #11
Can they create an agency to make people listen? Marthe48 Jan 2022 #17
I think it might take lawsuits to make a difference JI7 Jan 2022 #19

global1

(25,242 posts)
2. If We Had A Similar Agency Here Do You Think.....
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jan 2022

People would trust it?

Just one comment by Fox News could shoot it down before it would even get started.

jmbar2

(4,874 posts)
3. Smart people would trust it
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 11:36 AM
Jan 2022

And talk to the dumb ones.

Over time, I think the disinformation epidemic we are currently experiencing will burn itself out. In its late stage, the "firehose of falsehoods" collapses on itself as it makes people feel stupid.




global1

(25,242 posts)
6. So Over Time - The Antivax & Antimask Movement Will Burn Itself Out?.....
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 01:09 PM
Jan 2022

And the MAGA's will stop watching Fox and turn to CNN & MSNBC?

Tucker Carlson will convert?

Climate change will stop dead in its tracks?

Conspiracies will be a thing of the past?

jmbar2

(4,874 posts)
8. Well, consider this...
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 02:40 PM
Jan 2022

When is the last time you heard people seriously discussing

- The Tea Party
- Obamacare = death panels
- Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve
- The Moral Majority
- But her emails
- Pizzagate
- Obama's birth certificate
- False flags

Etc

False information has a limited lifespan. As a nation, we are now much more educated on recognizing and calling out false information.

summer_in_TX

(2,735 posts)
12. Specific false information may be largely replaced
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:34 AM
Jan 2022

by more current disinformation. The new and shiny is what gets attention. But if you survey those who have been subjected to that disinformation, I'll bet you will find that they still believe those untruths. They just haven't needed to think about it in awhile.

Same with our own knowledge and beliefs. I haven't needed to think about the first lunar landing in a long time. But my belief about what happened was formed a long time ago and if I need to reach for it, it is intact. Yes, we really did accomplish human beings setting foot on the Moon and taking "one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."

moreland01

(738 posts)
4. Sometimes
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jan 2022

it feels like we're living in a real-life Gotham City. The press has allowed lies to permeate our newsfeeds. The Government is not trusted to combat the lies. Therefore, nobody feels like they have a truly trustworthy source for information. And we see each other's leaders as rotten to the core.

Dems think of Joe Biden has a calm, grandfatherly like, old school legislator who could get good things done if Congress did their part. The right thinks of him as evil.

Climate change is going to get us all killed if we're not already wiped out by a deadly virus. And there's nothing that can be done about it because . . .we're living in Gotham!

Just my feelings.

jmbar2

(4,874 posts)
5. It's helpful to understand some of the dynamics of lying and possible responses.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 12:41 PM
Jan 2022

Teri Kanefield has written extensively on this. If you are not reading her blog, you are missing out on some great analysis. Here is a good one on lying:

https://terikanefield.com/republican-lies/

Also, Timothy Snyder, Yale historian, has written a great book- The Road to Unfreedom - that lays out the history of the "firehose of falsehoods" strategy, as developed by the former Soviet Union to keep people in the dark about what was really going on.

Putin has continued the strategy, taking it into the digital age. Steve Bannon put it on steroids with Cambridge Analytica.

Ultimately, in a free information environment, it cannot compete if we actively work to support Truth.

summer_in_TX

(2,735 posts)
13. The military use counter-propaganda to handle disinformation.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:40 AM
Jan 2022

Psychologist Julie Hotard finds that is about the only thing that has been effective. She advocates for NGOs and nonprofits, not the government, to take on the work of counter-propaganda.

I think our own talking points telling the truth would also be a help, where all our representatives has a particular focus each day. Part of the counter-propaganda effort.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016309688

It would take coordination and an ability to focus and plan, which would take time away from other pursuits. A source of serious funds and having dedicated personnel would help. BTW, @anotheracronym and @RealityTeam11 are two organizations she cites as working on counter-propaganda (a.k.a. truth-telling).

jmbar2

(4,874 posts)
14. Good info - thanks
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 02:13 AM
Jan 2022

We also need to individually debunk on various media streams. I do a lot of that on another forum.

summer_in_TX

(2,735 posts)
15. I've been doing a lot of debunking too.
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 12:54 AM
Jan 2022

But I have a feeling that the constant messaging of talking points repeated/rephrased by many people may be more effective. I get told that they don't trust my sources pretty often.

Not that I'll stop. I recently ran across Lead Stories. I like their format better than sites like Snopes. Very catchy visuals, and easy to share links on social media. But I want to figure out how to do the other too.

jmbar2

(4,874 posts)
16. I sat through all of the Jan 6 commenmoration speeches by our Senators this week
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jan 2022

The saturation of messaging - from Merrick Garland, to the all day coverage of Jan 6, strategic news releases from the Jan 6 committee, and upcoming public hearings will accomplish a lot of what you are saying. Consistent messaging, ongoing, through multiple channels.

After the all day coverage of the Jan 6 anniversary, the provocative posts dropped way off on StockTwits, which is where I do a lot of my debunking. That place is a cesspool of disinformation, much of it from foreign sources, seeking to inflame the incels that have started daytrading during the pandemic.

Sometimes the best thing I do is just quickly label a post as disinformation, and/or ask if they are being held in a Gulag and forced to write crap all day. I'm also pointing out when they are clearly bots, by showing how many times they are posting. I don't argue with them. Just expose them and move on to the next.

Thanks for being another debunker. It's kind of fun if your on a target forum anyway.

summer_in_TX

(2,735 posts)
18. That's great!
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 06:30 PM
Jan 2022

You are doing it more systematically than I am, and I see I could learn a lot from how you do it.

In fact, others could too.

Is there an article on how to go about it? Or would you consider doing a post and linking to it here?

I may be too busy to do much yet (too many volunteer responsibilities), but I sure want to do more, especially after I free up more time in just a few months.

Also, is there a community from which to learn more on this topic? People to follow on Twitter?

TomWilm

(1,832 posts)
7. I am afraid it might get the opposite effect ...
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 02:03 PM
Jan 2022

... when such a tool got into the hands of a new TFG type president.

And it is extremely difficult to make "official" declaration of truth. In the EU this is done very badly by
EUvsdisinfo.eu, which is mostly used to scare people with misunderstood gossip.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,684 posts)
9. IT won't work here. Those that claim "fake news" for anything that makes their side look bad
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 02:59 PM
Jan 2022

Get their news from online Cracker Jack boxes. . .Fox, Newsmax, OANN, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Drudge, Free Republic, AM Radio, and QAnon.

They only do confirmation bias.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
11. If the agency doesn't have the teeth to shut down disinformation, it's just wasting time
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:17 PM
Jan 2022

I hope Sweden realizes this, and I hope they give this new agency the ability to "kick down doors" and shut off the sources of the disinformation and propaganda.

The USA could and should do this, but we'd have to fight the Facebooks before we can fight the groups Facebook is shielding. It seems a daunting task, and maybe it's an impossible dream.

At least Sweden is trying, and I give them credit.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
19. I think it might take lawsuits to make a difference
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 07:50 PM
Jan 2022

social media is worse than Fox News. And it's full of trash.

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