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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,394 posts)
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 10:35 AM Jan 2022

Census Memo Cites 'Unprecedented' Meddling by Trump Administration

Source: New York Times

Census Memo Cites ‘Unprecedented’ Meddling by Trump Administration

Newly released documents show that top career officials at the Census Bureau had drafted a list of complaints about political interference in the 2020 count.

By Michael Wines
Jan. 15, 2022
Updated 9:21 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON — A newly disclosed memorandum citing “unprecedented” meddling by the Trump administration in the 2020 census and circulated among top Census Bureau officials indicates how strongly they sought to resist efforts by the administration to manipulate the count for Republican political gain. (1)

The document was shared among three senior executives including Ron S. Jarmin, a deputy director and the agency’s day-to-day head. It was written in September 2020 as the administration was pressing the bureau to end the count weeks early so that if President Donald J. Trump lost the election in November, he could receive population estimates used to reapportion the House of Representatives before leaving office.

The memo laid out a string of instances of political interference that senior census officials planned to raise with Wilbur Ross, who was then the secretary of the Commerce Department, which oversees the bureau. The issues involved crucial technical aspects of the count, including the privacy of census respondents, the use of estimates to fill in missing population data, pressure to take shortcuts to produce population totals quickly and political pressure on a crash program that was seeking to identify and count unauthorized immigrants.

Most of those issues directly affected the population estimates used for reapportionment. In particular, the administration was adamant that — for the first time ever — the bureau separately tally the number of undocumented immigrants in each state. Mr. Trump had ordered the tally in a July 2020 presidential memorandum, saying he wanted to subtract them from House reapportionment population estimates. ... The census officials’ memorandum pushed back especially forcefully, complaining of “direct engagement” by political appointees with the methods that experts were using to find and count unauthorized noncitizens.

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Michael Wines writes about voting and other election-related issues. Since joining The Times in 1988, he has covered the Justice Department, the White House, Congress, Russia, southern Africa, China and various other topics. @miwine https://twitter.com/miwine

(1) https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/sunday-review/census-redistricting-trump-immigrants.html

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/15/us/2020-census-trump.html



Hat tip, Joe.My.God.

https://www.joemygod.com/2022/01/memo-cites-trump-admin-screwing-with-us-census/

Memo Cites Trump Admin Screwing With US Census
January 15, 2022
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Census Memo Cites 'Unprecedented' Meddling by Trump Administration (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2022 OP
At least it's on record somewhere. 2naSalit Jan 2022 #1
If this fraudulent crime somehow manipulated congressional maps...all Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #3
Yup. 2naSalit Jan 2022 #5
Congress created the Census Act so guessing Congress can fix the evil...or Rs ok with the another Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #7
Not likely to happen DBoon Jan 2022 #17
On the contrary, the progressive exposure of evil is what will change everything. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #33
Congress created the Census Act so guessing Congress can fix the evil...or Rs ok with Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #8
no doubt about it, it did manipulate the map. yellowdogintexas Jan 2022 #26
+1000. nt ecstatic Jan 2022 #39
Would an undocumented immigrant actually admit they are patricia92243 Jan 2022 #2
The purpose was was to sow hatred, not actually catch anyone. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #4
The census does not ask your citizanship status. 2naSalit Jan 2022 #14
Not that they didn't try. Marcuse Jan 2022 #21
Indeed... 2naSalit Jan 2022 #22
not likely - and anyone could refuse us at the door yellowdogintexas Jan 2022 #27
Our illegal immigrants slaving away for our wealthy corporations were not even going to be 3/5ths ShazamIam Jan 2022 #6
The foreigners you mean? And these generally hardworking god fearing folk may Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #10
With all the interference during King IQ4.5's rule KS Toronado Jan 2022 #9
The bombshell NYT report is, like all great truths, behind a paywall. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #11
+1 pandr32 Jan 2022 #13
Truth. Do I pay you or do you pay me? dchill Jan 2022 #24
YES. The new administration should call for an immediate repeat census to correct the ills of the truthisfreedom Jan 2022 #12
So what are we left with... Historic NY Jan 2022 #15
Military does the census for its own properties. (thank the Lord) yellowdogintexas Jan 2022 #30
Should be Rebl2 Jan 2022 #16
And states and republican controlled state houses are using this to redo district maps Botany Jan 2022 #18
2020 Census Null and Void. BlueIdaho Jan 2022 #19
Yep it should be thrown out - just trash it FakeNoose Jan 2022 #32
Kick dalton99a Jan 2022 #20
I believe it -- Trump's deep state strategy against his projected deep state enemies. ancianita Jan 2022 #23
I can tell you why you had so many visits, because I ran across that issue yellowdogintexas Jan 2022 #28
If you had answered the duplicates, they would have kicked out of the system yellowdogintexas Jan 2022 #29
Even if you worked the Census, I really can only half believe you if you were at the lower ancianita Jan 2022 #31
My god, imagine how screwed we'd all be if TFG actually won - legitimately.. #$%& TeamProg Jan 2022 #25
I was just thinking that. He was a busy orange menace for 4 years. Imagine longer. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #34
Is anyone really surprised? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2022 #35
Will someone do something? TimeToGo Jan 2022 #36
I'm not. And this is one more example of why the GOP is standing solid behind the shit head. C Moon Jan 2022 #37
Not surprised at all MissMillie Jan 2022 #38
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
3. If this fraudulent crime somehow manipulated congressional maps...all
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jan 2022

maps need to be thrown ought and handed to independent commissions immunized from political interference and relying only on election law and electoral Science.

2naSalit

(86,537 posts)
5. Yup.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jan 2022

And I am sure that's what's happening along with embellishment from the big lie. So this is why I was calling for a rerun of the census which could have happened over the summer.

Isn't there a remedy for this problem in one of the voting rights bills awaiting Senate approval?

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
7. Congress created the Census Act so guessing Congress can fix the evil...or Rs ok with the another
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:12 AM
Jan 2022

knife stabbing at democracy?

And this goes to Scrotus also at some point if there is a major problem revealed effecting maps.

Good luck with that after the unsigned majority unspeakable travesty of a ruling on the federal mandates.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
8. Congress created the Census Act so guessing Congress can fix the evil...or Rs ok with
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:13 AM
Jan 2022

another tRump created knife stabbing at democracy?

And this goes to Scrotus also at some point if there is a major problem revealed effecting maps.

Good luck with that after the unsigned majority unspeakable travesty of a ruling on the federal mandates.

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
26. no doubt about it, it did manipulate the map.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jan 2022

Alabama would probably kept all their seats if it had been done properly. They were very undercounted.

Parts of Texas as well. If our statewide count had been correctly carried out, we would have picked up 3 seats instead of 2. Throw in the people who refused to participate and it is even worse.

Our regional team leads told us that Dallas and Tarrant counties did very well. I know we worked hard!

It would have been even worse if the American citizen question had been included.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
4. The purpose was was to sow hatred, not actually catch anyone.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:04 AM
Jan 2022

Side effect to further the election was a fraud lie …cause of all the brown non citizens the fascists love to hate and abuse as whipping boys for their endless white supremacy propaganda.

The hatred went deep, and mostly hidden until discovery every passing day.

2naSalit

(86,537 posts)
14. The census does not ask your citizanship status.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jan 2022

They how many live humans are in the country on 4/1 of the census year, regardless of their citizenship status. I had to keep reminding some of my crew about that during the 2010 census.

Marcuse

(7,479 posts)
21. Not that they didn't try.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 12:40 PM
Jan 2022

[link:https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/supreme-court-finds-wilbur-ross-lied-put-citizenship-question-2020-census|

This morning, the Supreme Court told the country what we and our clients have long known: that Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross provided a false reason for his decision to add a citizenship question to the Decennial Census. The court explained that the Trump administration’s stated reason for adding a citizenship question—enforcement of the Voting Rights Act—was “contrived.” The justices could not “ignore the disconnect between the decision made and the explanation given.” Bottom-line, this decision prevents addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Census based on the administration’s lies.

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
27. not likely - and anyone could refuse us at the door
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 01:55 PM
Jan 2022

or stop the interview at any time.

Since the citizenship question was not included, it was not a concern

ShazamIam

(2,570 posts)
6. Our illegal immigrants slaving away for our wealthy corporations were not even going to be 3/5ths
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jan 2022

of a person.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
10. The foreigners you mean? And these generally hardworking god fearing folk may
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jan 2022

be called undocumented migrants, as well.

KS Toronado

(17,199 posts)
9. With all the interference during King IQ4.5's rule
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jan 2022

do we need to redo the census again to insure it's accuracy?

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
11. The bombshell NYT report is, like all great truths, behind a paywall.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jan 2022

Pay for truth, lies are free. Wrong way round, media.

truthisfreedom

(23,145 posts)
12. YES. The new administration should call for an immediate repeat census to correct the ills of the
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:19 AM
Jan 2022

last one.

UNDO THE EVIL.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
15. So what are we left with...
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:38 AM
Jan 2022

So we are left trusting the counts were correct, like NY losing a congressional seat because of 89 less people. In my own community I think it was undercounted just due to the insurgence of new apartments, condos and houses alone. In the past, they didn't count correctly either some geographic areas have different mailing address'. Are we to suppose that they got that right. They forgot to count the military area enclave, even thou the base is gone, new housing remains. The idiots at one of those statistical website undercount the town

The block group for the town say only around 2500 difference, when the housing built is above that capacity. In the past, the town has had to have a revised count done

One developer alone has built more than 567 apartment units excluding, expanded condo complexes, mega houses 4-5 bedrooms. etc.

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
30. Military does the census for its own properties. (thank the Lord)
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 02:26 PM
Jan 2022

for all on base housing.

Colleges census their housing
Nursing homes/extended care facilities census their populations
Correctional facilities census their own populations.

Apartments are the 7th Ring of Hell, because of the fluctuation of the population. I ran into a lot of new occupants who were not there prior to 4/1/20 but had not completed census for their previous address.

If we could get a good rapport with the complex manager we could clean up the lists.

Rebl2

(13,492 posts)
16. Should be
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:44 AM
Jan 2022

new census done, but not likely unfortunately. All states should have non-political independent group that redraw maps.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
19. 2020 Census Null and Void.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 12:28 PM
Jan 2022

Compare the results of the 2020 census to the previous census and if results do not follow it or other predictive trends and indicators declare it an outlier. Then order an emergency census to record the true picture of America’s population.

Cheating a census has got to be yet another Former Guy/GQP felony.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
32. Yep it should be thrown out - just trash it
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:21 PM
Jan 2022

I remember researching family ancestors through old census data. I learned that one of them - maybe it was 1880 or 1980 - was completely destroyed by fire. This happened long before the days of digital records. The Census records for that year had been stored in one building and they all burned.

Everything is now kept digitally of course, and old books have all been scanned and archived. So presumably that can't happen again. There is a precedent for the disappearance of Census records. That's what needs to happen with 2020.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
23. I believe it -- Trump's deep state strategy against his projected deep state enemies.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 12:50 PM
Jan 2022

Maybe Congress needs to pass a law to have an outside objective international accounting organization do the US Census. Or an org that would monitor the counters.

In Florida, census people came to my door FOUR TIMES after I'd met the online deadline to submit my Census form. I showed them a screenshot of my submission, took photos of them and their badges, and told them that they'd damn well better not count me again, because I would find out and sue them and their supervisors up the line until I get to someone federal -- said I hoped it would be Wilbur Ross over on the east coast.

I got a lot of looks, but didn't care even if they were innocent tools because they all just said they were following orders. The more I think about how DeSantis ran covid counts, the more I see how he might have run the census here and the more pissed I get.

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
28. I can tell you why you had so many visits, because I ran across that issue
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jan 2022

a LOT.. For a variety of reasons, a property might have been assigned more than one census ID number. For me it was usually because the data base provided by the county showed more than one address, so even if the occupant returned the initial mailing the location would still show up on our lists.

I had a string of 20 houses with this problem, plus others in scattered locations

The correct listing was **** SW Loop 820. I would find several other listings for the same house number - such as ****820 Loop South; West Loop 820, South Loop 820 etc - as many rearrangements of those addresses as possible.

Because that is near my house I knew the correct addresses; the first house I visited had 4 different configurations, and the occupant had mailed in forms ages ago. He and I figured out what was going on, and I ended up sending these into my team lead and if that location had been counted we deleted the incorrect addresses.

I did one house on Sunday, and it showed up on my Tuesday lists - with a different census ID. I ran into them all over the place - not restricted to any given area.

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
29. If you had answered the duplicates, they would have kicked out of the system
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 02:21 PM
Jan 2022

as duplicates because your personal info and the house number would have flagged it.

The only thing we could figure was the issue with the mangled addresses set up the property with more than one ID.

When you showed the person your printouts, a quick comparison of the info he/she had to the info on your response would have shown it was clearly an error. However the census taker would have had to know to check it

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
31. Even if you worked the Census, I really can only half believe you if you were at the lower
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 02:31 PM
Jan 2022

data input level. Or even in a different state, even if it's a red state like Florida.

We know the difference between what data input people are told by middle management and what upper management actually does.

Red state data collectors are not to be trusted, no matter what they say the system will do. Which is why I never fill out any official form more than once, then always take a photo of it.

I showed a screenshot from my laptop screen, not a printout. All they had were their little app filled smart phones. They didn't take a photo of my screenshot, either. Instead, each census taker said they would report to their supervisor. Yet three more came after the first one. It was creepy.

Just my opinion, which in no way casts aspersions on your work or any corrections you've made.

Honesty, in a dishonest agency run by a mobster money laundering boss like Wilbur Ross, is an uphill battle.

MissMillie

(38,550 posts)
38. Not surprised at all
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 08:54 AM
Jan 2022

It's not as though there's no other instance of a simple count being turned into a political power grab.

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