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appalachiablue

(41,113 posts)
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:07 AM May 2022

Biden Says 'Everybody' Should Be Concerned About Spread of Monkeypox

Last edited Sun May 22, 2022, 11:00 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: The Guardian

National security adviser assures public that the US has a 'vaccine that is relevant to treating' virus. Joe Biden said Sunday that "everybody" should be worried about the spread of monkeypox recently, and his national security adviser assured the public that the US has a "vaccine that is relevant to treating" the virus.

During an official visit to South Korea, Biden told reporters, "They haven't told me the level of exposure yet but it is something that everybody should be concerned about." The president, who was speaking at Osan airbase, also added: "It is a concern in that if it were to spread it would be consequential."

Initially, Biden said the government was exploring what vaccine "if any might be available" to protect people against the virus. But later his national security adviser Jake Sullivan said the US had a "vaccine available to be deployed" against the monkeypox virus if necessary. Federal Centers for Disease Control officials have previously said that people who are exposed to monkeypox, which has a slow incubation period, can be given existing smallpox vaccines to limit the sickness' severity.

Biden's first remarks on the growing outbreak of the rare virus came a day after a senior adviser for the World Health Organization said the monkeypox seemed to be spreading through sexual contact and admonished that case numbers could continue climbing over the summer as people attended festivals and other major gatherings...

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/22/biden-monkeypox-infections-spread





- U.S. President Joe Biden speaks before boarding Air Force One for a trip to Japan at Osan Air Base, Sunday, May 22, 2022, in Pyeongtaek, South Korea.

- AP, Biden says monkeypox cases something to 'be concerned about'
https://apnews.com/article/biden-health-south-korea-asia-united-states-df2d674ea2ad955cb6805128f6d33a6a
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- Monkeypox: Israel and Switzerland Confirm Cases, Explainer, BBC, May 22, '22,
https://democraticunderground.com/114228192

- AP, African scientists baffled by monkeypox cases in Europe, US, May 20, '22
https://apnews.com/article/science-health-africa-france-56c405d91f650a41593a4a03c0ab9d79

- Monkeypox cases under investigation in Canada as outbreak spreads in Europe, U.S., CBS News, May 18, '22
https://democraticunderground.com/10142918952
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Biden Says 'Everybody' Should Be Concerned About Spread of Monkeypox (Original Post) appalachiablue May 2022 OP
So ... if you had a smallpox vaccination piddyprints May 2022 #1
I think what they said was getagrip_already May 2022 #4
Yes ... piddyprints May 2022 #5
I got my 2nd smallbox vax 45 years ago. ananda May 2022 #26
Conflicting info out there but some studies say smallpox vaccines last a lifetime womanofthehills May 2022 #36
Here's more info. from a recent CBS Report & DU Comments: appalachiablue May 2022 #6
Thank you! piddyprints May 2022 #7
YW, looks like this could be 'added to the list.' I'll ask the RX today, appalachiablue May 2022 #8
I'm still working on my list. piddyprints May 2022 #10
Qpublicans praying this spreads durablend May 2022 #2
Same here. I had the Flu shot, now need the 2nd Booster appalachiablue May 2022 #11
Incel, meet monkeypox....... getagrip_already May 2022 #3
If it spreads primarily through sexual contact, wouldn't that leave incels out? niyad May 2022 #9
Depends on if their hand has been cheating on them or not. ret5hd May 2022 #12
Snicker. niyad May 2022 #18
It was generally spread through "bites" from infected animals BumRushDaShow May 2022 #13
Infected pet. Exactly. See the 2003 US outbreak. paleotn May 2022 #15
"See the 2003 US outbreak" BumRushDaShow May 2022 #20
Doh! Read the damn article. Noted. paleotn May 2022 #21
... BumRushDaShow May 2022 #24
Ahhh, thank you so much for that excellent information. niyad May 2022 #16
You're welcome BumRushDaShow May 2022 #23
It sounds like it is spread more easily than AIDS, even just through kissing... AntiFascist May 2022 #33
It can do it through large droplets BumRushDaShow May 2022 #34
I won't be travelling by plane without an KN95 mask any time soon... AntiFascist May 2022 #35
Hubby and I Delphinus May 2022 #38
It spreads through body fluids and exhaled droplets... paleotn May 2022 #14
Thank you. niyad May 2022 #17
I read that it has a 1% lethality which is similar to Covid, but is far less contagious. Lucky Luciano May 2022 #19
The other variant is much more lethal. Impossible to stop if it gets int an animal population. BrightKnight May 2022 #31
So it sounds like mask-wearing will work... forgotmylogin May 2022 #27
Not really.... getagrip_already May 2022 #22
Massage parlors will spread it like wildfire. Runningdawg May 2022 #25
Oh boy. The anit-vax nuts are probably going bald from pulling their hair out now. C Moon May 2022 #28
+1 appalachiablue May 2022 #29
I've already seen posts from Covidiots that they won't take the smallpox vaccine nt maryellen99 May 2022 #32
A pox on their house, then. roamer65 May 2022 #37
I would like to be able to get a Small Pox booster and possibly Anthrax vaccine BrightKnight May 2022 #30

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
1. So ... if you had a smallpox vaccination
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:20 AM
May 2022

decades ago, do you need to get another one? Was this clear and I missed it?

getagrip_already

(14,674 posts)
4. I think what they said was
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:25 AM
May 2022

That the smallpox vaccine can be used as a treatment to slow the progression of the disease if you contract it unvaccinated.

They have a specific vaccine for it but probably in small supply.

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
5. Yes ...
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:26 AM
May 2022

I just wasn't sure if you'd need a booster if you already had one, or if the original one would be considered the treatment.

womanofthehills

(8,685 posts)
36. Conflicting info out there but some studies say smallpox vaccines last a lifetime
Sun May 22, 2022, 05:56 PM
May 2022

And some say 3 yrs .

Smallpox immunity may last a lifetime

Vaccination may induce life-long immunity to smallpox, suggest the results of the first detailed tests of their kind. This means that any terrorist release of smallpox might not spread as catastrophically fast as feared, and fewer people might die. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4064-smallpox-immunity-may-last-a-lifetime/

appalachiablue

(41,113 posts)
6. Here's more info. from a recent CBS Report & DU Comments:
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:31 AM
May 2022

- Monkeypox cases under investigation in Canada as outbreak spreads in Europe, U.S., CBS News, May 18, '22
https://democraticunderground.com/10142918952

Comments:

- Most Americans have been vaccinated against smallpox and due to the similarities between them, the smallpox vaccination might provide some protection against monkeypox, according to some online medical sites that I found.
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- Actually, we now have a virgin population of several generations.... Since the smallpox vaccine was discontinued in the US in 1972, most people younger than 50 have never been vaccinated at all. The vaccination will protect you for about 3 to 5 years, then decreases. So everybody over 50 also no longer has immunity. It was a dreadful disease which could kill or leave survivors scarred all over. It was the first ever eradicated by vaccination, a tremendous public health success. Still, it felt very strange to me when my own children, born in the 1970s, were not vaccinated...

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
7. Thank you!
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:33 AM
May 2022

That is very helpful.

My children were also born in the 1970s and it was strange for me that they didn't get smallpox vaccinations.

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
10. I'm still working on my list.
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:47 AM
May 2022

After a strange reaction from the flu vaccine, my doc told me to hold off on shingles and pneumonia. I did get the 2nd Covid booster, though, and did fine.

appalachiablue

(41,113 posts)
11. Same here. I had the Flu shot, now need the 2nd Booster
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:53 AM
May 2022

and the Shingles and Pneumonia shots. Yuck but necessary. Good luck!

getagrip_already

(14,674 posts)
3. Incel, meet monkeypox.......
Sun May 22, 2022, 10:23 AM
May 2022

Let's see. Repressed latent sexual perversions, proclivity towards alcohol/cocain fueled displays of manliness, and a disdain for condoms or vaccines.

Money pox and incels are made for each other.....

BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
13. It was generally spread through "bites" from infected animals
Sun May 22, 2022, 11:15 AM
May 2022

I.e., there was a small outbreak in the U.S. back just over a decade ago from "exotic pets" -

Monkeypox Casts Light on Rule Gap for Exotic Pets

By Jodi Wilgoren

June 10, 2003

The Web site for the federal Department of Agriculture provides guidelines for the importation of pets. Dogs must be vaccinated against rabies. Cats going to Hawaii are to be quarantined for 130 days. Animals like sheepdogs that will be used with livestock have to be free of tapeworm. Then, at the bottom, under ''other,'' is a long list of the animals on which there are no restrictions: fish, reptiles, lions, tigers, bears, monkeys, guinea pigs, rats, chinchillas, squirrels, mongooses, chipmunks, ferrets and other rodents, for starters. That is why, officials say, there appears to be no wrongdoing behind the outbreak of monkeypox in the Midwest that apparently began with a giant pouched rat from Gambia and was passed through prairie dogs to more than 30 people in three states.

The federal Fish and Wildlife Service monitors traffic in endangered species. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention bans the importation of certain animals, like primates, as pets because they are known to cause human diseases like herpes. Animals from countries with problems like foot-and-mouth disease are also regulated. But the rapidly expanding and diversifying exotic pet industry, which experts estimate generates tens of billions of dollars annually, operates largely without federal regulation, leaving a pastiche of state and local rules rife with loopholes. The U.S.D.A. licenses pet dealers but makes no distinction between selling cats and dogs, and hedgehogs and hermit crabs.

Most states allow exotic animals to be traded freely, even in casual settings like swap meets, and few towns require pet owners to keep paperwork even on their pythons or pumas. ''There's all kinds of critters out there'' that few people know much if anything about, said Merritt Clifton, the editor of Animal People, a newspaper with a circulation of 15,000 published 10 times a year from Clinton, Wash. ''They're reproducing prolifically, they're often being abandoned, there are few veterinarians that know how to treat them.'' Beyond the danger of, for instance, large cats let loose in suburban subdivisions, many experts have become increasingly concerned about the spread of disease from exotic animals to the people who keep them.

Long before prairie dogs contracted monkeypox, a virus related to smallpox, they were known to carry bubonic plague. Tortoises often have Amblyomma ticks, which can infect livestock. Reptiles can spread salmonella. And rats are vectors for a host of illnesses. ''Animal health and human health are intimately connected,'' said Donna Gilson, a spokeswoman for the Department of Agriculture in Wisconsin, where most of the monkeypox patients live. Still, while Wisconsin requires certificates of veterinary inspection for every cow, hog, deer or elk imported into the state, it makes no attempt to track small exotics like prairie dogs. ''That would be really difficult to enforce,'' Ms. Gilson said. ''Gosh, you can have those in a box in the back of your hatchback.''

(snip)

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/10/us/monkeypox-casts-light-on-rule-gap-for-exotic-pets.html


The recent sudden outbreak in the UK happened among members of the LGBTQ community but then it seems someone took that "cluster" and projected that this was the only way it is being spread and not delving into where it came from in the first place.

We need more data about the OTHER infections to actually rule in or out "sexual contact" as a "primary" or "secondary" reason for spread. It's almost like the '80s when AIDS was called "the gay disease".

I would not be surprised if someone had an infected "pet", got bitten and infected, and away it went within their circle of contacts. And it might be hard to get an admission/confirmation from that initially-infected person if they did have an "illegal" animal as a "pet".

paleotn

(17,901 posts)
15. Infected pet. Exactly. See the 2003 US outbreak.
Sun May 22, 2022, 11:26 AM
May 2022

This isn't anything novel. Monkey pox is endemic to West Africa with occasional outbreaks elsewhere. Kind of like West Nile or Dengue, no one in the west really cared until it showed up in THEIR backyard.

BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
20. "See the 2003 US outbreak"
Sun May 22, 2022, 11:58 AM
May 2022

That is what the excerpted article I posted was about and when it was published (2003)!

Am thinking (and may be wrong) "someone" got an infected pet from a shady dealer bringing it in from overseas, got bitten, and away it went. And if that pet escaped, look out.

The UK "cluster" might make sense for a transmission from 1 infected individual (who was exposed via an exotic animal bite or from contact with someone from overseas who was previously infected through a bite) and then was passed on to close contacts. But any other cases need to be investigated without the conclusionary insistence that it is primarily "sexually transmitted" as if it were herpes or some other STD. It's "a way" to contract it but not THE general way.

BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
23. You're welcome
Sun May 22, 2022, 12:12 PM
May 2022

It suggests a need for better regulation of the exotic pet market too because that is a big thing - especially with more and more focus on "emotional support animals" and other creatures (outside of cats and dogs) that are considered for "stress relief". And the popular types can include some that are actually more susceptible to contracting the virus and spreading it to their owners/handlers like ferrets, prairie dogs, chinchillas, squirrels, etc.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
33. It sounds like it is spread more easily than AIDS, even just through kissing...
Sun May 22, 2022, 05:21 PM
May 2022

so I'm sure it won't remain with the stigma of being a "homosexual" disease for long.

I believe I'd heard that they were monitoring people who had been seated close to one of the victims on a jet, but it doesn't sound like it spread to them.

BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
34. It can do it through large droplets
Sun May 22, 2022, 05:41 PM
May 2022

where I would think that on a full plane, smashed in a middle seat almost cheek-to-cheek, and surrounded by maskless people laughing and talking, could be an issue.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
35. I won't be travelling by plane without an KN95 mask any time soon...
Sun May 22, 2022, 05:51 PM
May 2022

I think too many people are being influenced by the anti-masker crowd.

paleotn

(17,901 posts)
14. It spreads through body fluids and exhaled droplets...
Sun May 22, 2022, 11:19 AM
May 2022

so any cut or other break in the skin is a possible entry point. Droplet range, per research, is only a few feet from the infected. Thus, it's no where near as infectious as covid or a whole host of other pathogens. It's not terribly lethal either. It's been endemic to West Africa for ages and occasionally pops up in the west. In the US going back to 2003, and probably many times before.

In short, it's a concern. It's not a freak out.

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
31. The other variant is much more lethal. Impossible to stop if it gets int an animal population.
Sun May 22, 2022, 04:54 PM
May 2022

In Africa it is in monkeys. If it get in domestic cats or squirrels etc. it could be a problem.

Also, the sudden global spread is very strange. It is not generally that contagious. There is no asymptomatic transmission. It can spread sexually through mucus. It spreads through the air but only with the large droplets that do not stay in the air long ( unlike Covid). Also, I think it is a DNA virus and does not mutate that much.

forgotmylogin

(7,522 posts)
27. So it sounds like mask-wearing will work...
Sun May 22, 2022, 01:46 PM
May 2022

Along with not touching anything or anyone needlessly in public, and using bandages on any open cuts. It sounds like it's mostly contact-borne and doesn't hang in the air, so washing and wearing a mask in case anyone exhales or sneezes in your face should help?

Runningdawg

(4,514 posts)
25. Massage parlors will spread it like wildfire.
Sun May 22, 2022, 12:33 PM
May 2022

Get ready for lots of men to pretended they got it from a public restroom.

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
30. I would like to be able to get a Small Pox booster and possibly Anthrax vaccine
Sun May 22, 2022, 04:24 PM
May 2022

with informed consent. It bothers me that those decisions have been made for me.

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