Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

TeamProg

(6,025 posts)
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:38 AM May 2022

Supreme Court makes it more difficult for prisoners to argue they had ineffective counsel

Source: CNN


The Supreme Court said Monday that state prisoners may not present new evidence in federal court in support of a claim that their post-conviction counsel in state court was ineffective in violation of the Constitution.

The ruling is a major defeat for two inmates on death row who said they had compelling claims that their state lawyers failed to pursue.
In addition, it will make it harder for inmates across the country to prevail on claims that they received ineffective counsel at the state court level in post-conviction proceedings.

The 6-3 opinion was penned by Justice Clarence Thomas.

Thomas suggested that allowing such claims to go forward would cause unnecessary delays, and he said that federal courts "must afford unwavering respect to the centrality of the trial of a criminal case in state court."




The three liberal justices dissented. In a stinging dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor called the decision "perverse" and said that the court had gutted precedent.

The majority opinion "reduces to rubble" many inmates' Sixth Amendment rights to the "effective assistance of counsel," she added.
"The Sixth Amendment guarantees criminal defendants the right to the effective assistance of counsel at trial," Sotomayor wrote. "Today, however, the court hamstrings the federal courts' authority to safeguard that right."



"It's hard to overstate how significant this technical ruling is for state prisoners trying to argue that they haven't received the effective assistance of counsel guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment," said Steve Vladeck, CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law.





Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/politics/supreme-court-prisoners-federal-court-evidence/index.html



Holy crap!

This is nearly taking away the right to appeal!

Racist states, courts & public defenders are no longer held to perform at their best to defend the accused.

This is a DEATH SENTENCE for some!







31 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Supreme Court makes it more difficult for prisoners to argue they had ineffective counsel (Original Post) TeamProg May 2022 OP
Utterly shameful and inhumane. How I loathe these cruel, perverse, fuckers! 50 Shades Of Blue May 2022 #1
It's funny how a layperson is asked to sign that they've had effective counsel at trial. TheBlackAdder May 2022 #28
The right wing have really got their blood lust up.Saying hurry up and execute those people Walleye May 2022 #2
WHOA!!!!!!!!! WHAT?????? secondwind May 2022 #3
Another SCOTUS stab at poor people who rely on Public Defenders. This decision seems unconstitutional TeamProg May 2022 #6
Damn, I hope you are right! secondwind May 2022 #8
But even if it IS, who you gonna appeal to?? oldsoftie May 2022 #10
We are talking about human lives. Those are a dime a dozen. Judicial delays are serious busine$$. Tommymac May 2022 #17
Yep! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E May 2022 #30
Conservatives want to efficiently lock people up IronLionZion May 2022 #4
the d. trump admin llashram May 2022 #5
'unnecessary delays' indeed. elleng May 2022 #7
Next up: Overturning the "precedent" of Ramos v. Louisiana PSPS May 2022 #9
The little that was left of the 6th Amendment after the Patriot Act - all gone now peppertree May 2022 #11
Adding some links mahatmakanejeeves May 2022 #12
Thomas: [It] would cause unnecessary delays ...republicans hate delays until they want to stall. mpcamb May 2022 #13
What will Clarence Thomas say when his wife is in prison? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2022 #14
!!!! TeamProg May 2022 #15
You think she's gonna have ineffective counsel? LeftInTX May 2022 #25
There are incompetents in any profession bucolic_frolic May 2022 #16
Well, there are 6 of them on the SCOTUS ZonkerHarris May 2022 #18
Horrible. This will hurt poor people - who are disproportionately Black and brown - the most. yardwork May 2022 #19
It's a repeal of the VIth and XIVth Amendments Ponietz May 2022 #20
This is specific legislation from the bench. PurgedVoter May 2022 #21
Two words. FEDERALIST SOCIETY Ziggysmom May 2022 #22
A boon for the private prison industry ... Auggie May 2022 #23
Why the fuck should Clarence Thomas (of all people) have that kind of influence over life and death world wide wally May 2022 #24
Horrible! LeftInTX May 2022 #26
Will, "Cause unnecessary delays" Bayard May 2022 #27
And we all know that most minorities receive ineffective or corrupt counsel. Samrob May 2022 #29
The Federal Courts are supposed to keep State Courts in line. pfitz59 May 2022 #31

Walleye

(30,977 posts)
2. The right wing have really got their blood lust up.Saying hurry up and execute those people
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:41 AM
May 2022

Thomas is getting power drunk

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
3. WHOA!!!!!!!!! WHAT??????
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:44 AM
May 2022

HOLY CRAP!

Thomas suggested that allowing such claims to go forward would cause unnecessary delays, and he said that federal courts "must afford unwavering respect to the centrality of the trial of a criminal case in state court."

FUCK YOU, CLARENCE!

TeamProg

(6,025 posts)
6. Another SCOTUS stab at poor people who rely on Public Defenders. This decision seems unconstitutional
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:49 AM
May 2022

to me, but I'm not a lawyer.

Have to wait and see.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
17. We are talking about human lives. Those are a dime a dozen. Judicial delays are serious busine$$.
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:41 PM
May 2022

Plus, the for profit prisons and their shareholders are suffering significant stock market losses, not enough prisoners to work the Corporate help desk support lines at .$50/hr.

Something must be done since non violent Marijuana prisoners are not as available as in the past due to it's decriminalization/legalization.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
5. the d. trump admin
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:47 AM
May 2022

advisors, miller, bannon, kurshner et al just packed our democracy into a corner. In November we better be like wild animals with nothing to lose coming out that corner...

PSPS

(13,579 posts)
9. Next up: Overturning the "precedent" of Ramos v. Louisiana
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:02 PM
May 2022

No need for unanimous juries especially for a black defendant.

peppertree

(21,600 posts)
11. The little that was left of the 6th Amendment after the Patriot Act - all gone now
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:08 PM
May 2022

All that's needed is the installation of some Repug knuckle-dragger in '24, and we're no longer a democracy in any real sense of the word.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
12. Adding some links
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:15 PM
May 2022
https://www.scotusblog.com/

TODAY AT THE COURT
In Shinn v. Ramirez, the court ruled 6-3 that a federal habeas court may not conduct an evidentiary hearing or otherwise consider evidence beyond the state-court record based on the ineffective assistance of state post-conviction counsel.
In Morgan v. Sundance, Inc., the court ruled 9-0 that federal courts may not adopt an arbitration-specific rule conditioning a waiver of the right to arbitrate on a showing of prejudice.
The court released an order list from the May 19 conference. The justices did not grant review in any new cases.


https://twitter.com/scotusblog

https://twitter.com/scotusreporter

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
19. Horrible. This will hurt poor people - who are disproportionately Black and brown - the most.
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:48 PM
May 2022

So if new evidence surfaces they're not allowed to introduce it in the appeal. Disgraceful. Inhuman.

Ponietz

(2,935 posts)
20. It's a repeal of the VIth and XIVth Amendments
Mon May 23, 2022, 02:03 PM
May 2022

Ineffective lawyers fail to present evidence at trial. Duh.

Implication: Federal courts will no longer enforce the Bill of Rights in State courts.


PurgedVoter

(2,214 posts)
21. This is specific legislation from the bench.
Mon May 23, 2022, 02:10 PM
May 2022

I think we have a right and even a directive for the supreme court to be able to overturn everything from Regan till now.
It is clear that conservative and justice do not belong in the same title.

Auggie

(31,133 posts)
23. A boon for the private prison industry ...
Mon May 23, 2022, 02:21 PM
May 2022

also makes it easier for law enforcement and courts to imprison people, including the truly innocent.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
29. And we all know that most minorities receive ineffective or corrupt counsel.
Mon May 23, 2022, 08:09 PM
May 2022

How does this affect the Innocence Project, I wonder.

This SCOTUS is making sure law and order will not respected in the future. Bastards!

pfitz59

(10,302 posts)
31. The Federal Courts are supposed to keep State Courts in line.
Tue May 24, 2022, 09:47 AM
May 2022

Saying they can't review and overturn States cases that violate Constitutional guarantees is absurd.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Supreme Court makes it mo...