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(1,189 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 12:21 PM Jun 2022

Jan. 6 committee will not make any criminal referrals, chairman says

Source: NBC News

The chair of the House committee investigating the Capitol riot said Monday night that the panel will not make any criminal referrals, even though its leaders have previously hinted at the possibility of doing so.

"Our job is to look at the facts and circumstances around January 6 — what caused it — and make recommendations after that," Chair Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., told reporters as he left the House chamber after the second day of public hearings by the panel.

When pressed on the matter and whether the committee had ruled out the possibility of referring criminal charges, particularly for former President Donald Trump, Thompson replied: "We don’t have authority."

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-committee-will-not-make-criminal-referrals-chairman-says-rcna22325

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Jan. 6 committee will not make any criminal referrals, chairman says (Original Post) 867-5309. Jun 2022 OP
Maybe it's a good cop/bad cop story. Good cop Democrat says no referral, bad cop Republican . . . Journeyman Jun 2022 #1
he's right...recommendations yes, referrals no agingdem Jun 2022 #2
But the full house could........ getagrip_already Jun 2022 #3
Jan. 6 Committee Says a Trump Criminal Referral Is Still on the Table herding cats Jun 2022 #4
I wish they'd make up their minds or agingdem Jun 2022 #5
I agree. herding cats Jun 2022 #12
It wouldn't matter anyway. Garland largely ignores them anyway. PSPS Jun 2022 #6
Whats yr 'definitive statement' based on? Inside knowledge? emulatorloo Jun 2022 #8
To paraphrase "W", "Fitzmas me twice ... won't get fooled again!" PSPS Jun 2022 #9
'Fitzmas' was a creation of shitty internet 'journalists'. Probably best to avoid dumb bloggers emulatorloo Jun 2022 #13
Meadows, Scavino Xoan Jun 2022 #10
Hey... Garland is watching. A year and half of this shit, but now, Garland is watching. LizBeth Jun 2022 #7
It's better the select committee doesn't make a referral, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #11
Then the sole point of the Jan 6th select committee is 2022 election politics? jaxexpat Jun 2022 #14
The select committee hearings are meant to influence Garland to indict, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #15
And..... cannabis_flower Jun 2022 #17
DOJ Expects Transcripts from the 1,000 J6 Committee witnesses (in September) Justice matters. Jun 2022 #16
Indeed it is. Beastly Boy Jun 2022 #19
More than one committee member begs to differ; that it's up to the whole committee, not just him. ancianita Jun 2022 #18
why...? myohmy2 Jun 2022 #20

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
1. Maybe it's a good cop/bad cop story. Good cop Democrat says no referral, bad cop Republican . . .
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 12:25 PM
Jun 2022

says hell yes we're going to look into that.

All concerns and outrage from the right is effectively stifled as it's one of their own pushing hardest for accountability.

agingdem

(7,840 posts)
2. he's right...recommendations yes, referrals no
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 12:26 PM
Jun 2022

the J6 committee is tasked with telling the story of January 6..prosecuting Trump and his coup co-conspirators is within the DOJ purview...

getagrip_already

(14,697 posts)
3. But the full house could........
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 12:39 PM
Jun 2022

Maybe they just want all of the q'rs to be on record?

Even if the task force doesn't have the mandate to do it, the full house can. A referral is not a legally binding document. It's more of a sense of the house document. It isn't even equivalent to the house issuing a subpoena and having it ignored.

The house itself has no legal authority to initiate a criminal inquiry.

And the doj will do what it wants, which apparently will be just to study the matter.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
4. Jan. 6 Committee Says a Trump Criminal Referral Is Still on the Table
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 12:40 PM
Jun 2022
Jan. 6 Committee Says a Trump Criminal Referral Is Still on the Table
Liz Cheney and others are pushing back on Chairman Bennie Thompson’s claim that the committee is only going to “tell the facts”


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Committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) soon after released a statement pushing back on her colleague’s claim. “The January 6th Select Committee has not issued a conclusion regarding potential criminal referrals. We will announce a decision on that at an appropriate time,” Cheney tweeted.

Other committee members backed Cheney. “We haven’t had a discussion about that, so I don’t know that the committee has reached a position on whether we make a referral or what the referrals might be,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) told CNN’s Anderson Cooper. “I thought we were deferring that decision until we concluded our investigation. At least that’s my understanding.” Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.) tweeted a similar message: “Our committee has yet to vote on whether we will recommend criminal referrals to the Department of Justice. If criminal activity occurred, it is our responsibility to report that activity to the DOJ.”

In a statement provided to CNN, a spokesperson for the committee said “the Select Committee has no authority to prosecute individuals, but is rather tasked with developing the facts surrounding the January 6th riot at the Capitol. Right now, the committee is focused on presenting our findings to the American people in our hearings and in our report. Our investigation is ongoing and we will continue to gather all relevant information as we present facts, offer recommendations and, if warranted, make criminal referrals.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-committee-trump-criminal-referral-1367769/

Unwarranted drama and distraction it seems. Any referral is basically symbolic and they appear to be of different minds on if it will help or harm.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
12. I agree.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 01:23 PM
Jun 2022

Sadly, it's politics and that's never how it goes. Then you have pundits offering their analysis of what it means in their "expert" opinion ad nauseam.

emulatorloo

(44,109 posts)
13. 'Fitzmas' was a creation of shitty internet 'journalists'. Probably best to avoid dumb bloggers
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 01:31 PM
Jun 2022

and self-styled ‘reporters’

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
7. Hey... Garland is watching. A year and half of this shit, but now, Garland is watching.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 01:13 PM
Jun 2022

Make of it what you will.

gab13by13

(21,290 posts)
11. It's better the select committee doesn't make a referral,
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 01:21 PM
Jun 2022

Garland doesn't want to appear partisan and a referral would give him pause. Garland knows what the committee wants without a referral.

jaxexpat

(6,815 posts)
14. Then the sole point of the Jan 6th select committee is 2022 election politics?
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jun 2022

The dissemination of facts to refute the Big Lie? Airing the testimony of Republican witnesses to the general public? Pouring water onto the GOP conflagration? Pouring gasoline onto the GOP conflagration?

There's an army of morons hell-bent on fomenting a turn to dictatorship to replace our government. Is the reaction from the people elected to serve in the people's house only campaign stuff to secure a few votes?

Can't we at least collect DNA from the wall shitter? Is Garland so vacuous that he needs a multi-hour TeeVee display in prime time to expose the evidence to indict?

Hey. All I got is questions.

gab13by13

(21,290 posts)
15. The select committee hearings are meant to influence Garland to indict,
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 01:53 PM
Jun 2022

Liz Cheney has been pushing Garland for many months. If DOJ is waiting for a referral we are in a world of hurt.

Justice matters.

(6,925 posts)
16. DOJ Expects Transcripts from the 1,000 J6 Committee witnesses (in September)
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 02:10 PM
Jun 2022

DOJ lawyers expect transcripts from the 1,000 January 6 committee witnesses to be made public in September

Business Insider link: https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-committee-transcripts-witnesses-doj-investigation-2022-6

So that would be around the time the committee could finalize its report.

Beastly Boy

(9,293 posts)
19. Indeed it is.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 07:36 PM
Jun 2022

Unless they want to give ammunition to Trump's lawyers to appeal any subsequent action by DOJ. It is one thing to make a referral of a matter directly involving the Committee or its members as an aggrieved party, it's a whole different thing for a unit of the Legislative branch (which the Committee represents) to direct a unit of the Executive branch (which DOJ represents) in a matter they (the Committee) are tasked with investigating. A case, perhaps even a legitimate case, can be made that such referral would violate the separation of powers doctrine, and would be unconstitutional.

It's way above my pay grade to speculate on whether a referral compels DOJ to act on it or whether it is merely a suggestion left to the discretion of DOJ, but in either event, Rep. Thompson is right to be very cautious in what he puts on the record.

myohmy2

(3,155 posts)
20. why...?
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 07:47 PM
Jun 2022

...Cheney and Kinzinger balking...?

"We don’t have authority."

...I don't believe that...

...

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