Trump Told White House Team He Needed to Protect 'Russiagate' Documents

[JoeOtterbein]

Source: Rolling Stone

IN HIS FINAL days in the White House, Donald Trump told top advisers he needed to preserve certain Russia-related documents to keep his enemies from destroying them.

The documents related to the federal investigation into Russian election meddling and alleged collusion with Trump’s campaign. At the end of his presidency, Trump and his team pushed to declassify these so-called “Russiagate” documents, believing they would expose a “Deep State” plot against him.

According to a person with direct knowledge of the situation and another source briefed on the matter, Trump told several people working in and outside the White House that he was concerned Joe Biden’s incoming administration — or the “Deep State” — would supposedly “shred,” bury, or destroy “the evidence” that Trump was somehow wronged.

Trump’s concern about preserving the Russia-related material is newly relevant after an FBI search turned up a trove of government documents at the former president’s Mar-a-Lago residence.

Read more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trump-russia-investigation-maralago-1234588357/#?utm_source=onesignal

[niyad]

1. Project much, you disgusting piece of filth (with apologies to actual filth).

[orleans]

31. "project" is key with him -- that's all he ever does (on edit: besides lie)

which is why, if that quote in rs is correct, i think he buried them

--see my post below #29

(or not.)

[niyad]

2. Stroke out already, you F'n, murdering, orange TRAITOR**.

[Meadowoak]

3. Or more like, Trump didn't want anyone to see documents

Proving that Putin stole the 2016 election for Trump.

[LiberalLovinLug]

14. Bingo!

[crickets]

17. 👆 This. nt

[Eyeball_Kid]

4. Don't we already know that Trump lies about everything?

You know it's a lie because Trump isn't a paranoid. And what we just read is paranoid ideology. Trump here is pretending to be paranoid so that he has a justification-- his craziness-- for stealing the docs. It's not as bad an offense if he's just eccentric and loony. All of that's bullshit. He had many ways to duplicate the docs and get away with it. He didn't. He wanted the actual pieces of paper. Why is that?

[UCmeNdc]

5. Trump needs to sit down with the FBI and be debriefed. Explain what he has done.

He needs to explain on the record what he has done with all of the Top Secret documents he had in his possession. He needs to say it under interrogation with no "kid gloves" questions asked. Was Trump planning to undermine the Biden administration as a form of revenge? Did he do it for money? Was Trump's long term goal to regain the presidency with these Top Secret documents as payment for a foreign government's help?

What was the wily, greedy, corrupt, Donald Trump up to?

[JoeOtterbein]

7. +1 nt

[Meadowoak]

18. Trump debriefed, I think I'm going to barf.

[KS Toronado]

21. He can't be debriefed.....

only de-depends-ed.....

[maxsolomon]

6. So... what documents prove the conspiracy against him?

Did anyone in the WH ever READ the docs they had access to? Because whatever docs he kept don't say what he thinks they say.

[cstanleytech]

8. Translation "My insurance policy incase I need to flee to Russia to avoid criminal charges."

[Midnight Writer]

9. Yeah, maybe he said that but he was lying.

[Meadowoak]

10. I'm thinking this would be a good time to release the full

Unredacted Mueller report. Just to see what Really happened in Russiagate.

[2naSalit]

20. +1

Unless it is being used in current cases as evidence somehow.

[Justice matters.]

22. If I'm not mistaken, the Supremely corrupt 6* blocked its release...

*The Federalist terrorist Society judges*

[Meadowoak]

26. Can't Biden declassify and release it? According to Trump,

All you have to do is wave your hand over any documents you want to declassify and say, I declassify thee.

[Justice matters.]

48. It's not classified. The supremely corrupt 6 blocked its release in May 2020...

SCOTUS blocks disclosure of unredacted Mueller report
May 20, 2020
The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday (May 20) blocked the disclosure of redacted grand jury material from former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report on Russian interference to a Democratic-led House of Representatives committee.

https://news.yahoo.com/scotus-blocks-disclosure-unredacted-mueller-021932192.html

The Federalist (read Fascist) Society should be declared a terrorist organization!

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Well, there's one possible explanation for the empty folders. Nt

[orleans]

30. he ate the contents?

jk
.
.
.
maybe

[PatSeg]

44. Yep, the damn "Deep State" must have stolen them!

Everyone knows they are out to get him.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Joe

[purr-rat beauty]

13. I cannot believe

We risk WWIII because of this wart, close to the brink of a civil war with guerilla elements

Who is giving him and his cohorts the easy ride?

so damn corrupt

[everyonematters]

15. The intelligence communities came to the conclusion that Russia wanted Trump to win.

Maybe they were wrong, but I don't think so. Trump was investigated and never indicted. The Mueller investigation determined that Trump did not collude with the Russians, but they did indicate that he might be guilty of obstruction which has nothing to do with the Russians. The whole darn time Trump acted like he was guilty. He wasn't a target of the investigation until he fired Comey. Trump ultimately lost reelection because most people saw what a rotten person he was.

[YoshidaYui]

16. LOCK HIS ASS UP

NOW!!

[Meadowoak]

19. Fry him

[littlemissmartypants]

23. He lies like he breathes and the only thing that will end his lies is when he stops breathing.

The sooner the better.

[KS Toronado]

24. Those empty Top Secret folders......'Russiagate' Documents

[Backseat Driver]

27. So, if Top Secret folders were packets, how would manual document hackers do

the very old "Sorcerer's Apprentice Syndrome" TFTP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorcerer%27s_Apprentice_Syndrome

Details
SAS occurred when a packet was not lost in the internetwork, but rather simply delayed, and later successfully delivered, after a timeout had occurred (on either side).

The timeout causes a second copy of the previous packet to be sent to replace the 'lost' packet. However, the first copy was not lost, and since, according to the TFTP specification, receipt of any packet always forced the generation of a reply packet, two replies were generated (one to each copy). Those forced the generation of two replies to them, and so on. A typical scenario was as follows:

Computer S (source) sends data block X to computer D (destination)
Computer D receives block X, and sends an acknowledgement for X back to S
The packet containing the acknowledgement for X is delayed in the internetwork
Computer S times out, and resends data block X to D
Computer S receives the delayed acknowledgement for X, and sends data block X+1
Computer D receives the second copy of block X, and sends another acknowledgement for X back to S
Computer D receives block X+1, and sends an acknowledgement for X+1 back to S
Computer S receives the second acknowledgement for X, and sends a second copy of data block X+1
Computer S receives the acknowledgement for X+1, and sends data block X+2
Computer D receives the second copy of block X+1, and sends another acknowledgement for X+1 back to S
Computer D receives block X+2, and sends an acknowledgement for X+2 back to S
It will be seen that at this point the situation is now stable, and repeats; every packet from then on is duplicated (that is, two identical copies are sent across the internetwork).

Even worse, the increased number of packets being sent around the internetwork was likely to cause congestion, which was likely to cause a packet to be delayed past the timeout yet again, which would then cause yet another duplicate packet to be generated by a timeout, and from then on a third copy of each packet would be sent. Needless to say, at that point, the situation would usually snowball, and further copies would be generated — hence the name given to this pattern of behaviour.

For a small file, the transfer would complete, and the duplicate packets would eventually drain from the internetwork. If the file were large, however, congestive collapse would result, and only when the transfer failed would the mass of packets drain from the internetwork.

Solution
The fix to SAS involved modifying the TFTP specification to break the loop.[1] Only the first instance of a received acknowledgment should cause the next data block to be sent; further copies of the acknowledgment for a particular data block would be ignored, thus breaking the retransmission loop. In the new version of the protocol, a block would only be retransmitted on timeout.

This change also makes it possible to simplify the implementation of the receiving end (often, a bootstrap program written in a low-level language) by omitting the retransmission timer, as any lost packet would cause retransmission of the last packet sent by the sender. However, keeping the timer has its benefits, such as dealing with lost ACKs more efficiently.

[KS Toronado]

32. "how would manual document hackers do"?

They would open the packets, pull out 'Russiagate' Documents, burn them, store empty packets
with their passports in desk. That answer your question?

[Botany]

25. Not in order to "protect" but to hide the documents that showed Russia installed Trump

Just a guess.

[nevergiveup]

28. This is really not all that complicated.

The fact that Trump is delusional and batshit crazy pretty much explains everything.

[orleans]

29. i was gonna say what crap that he wanted to preserve them

and then i reread what he thought biden etc would do to them: "shred" "bury or destroy"

and then i thought: that fucker does what he accuses others of doing.

bury?

ding ding ding!!!

BURY!!!

as in a casket that went underground lately.

just a thought.

[druidity33]

34. Apparently, 12 men carrying her coffin...

struggled to get it to the gravesite... as if it were inordinately heavy. She didn't seem like a big woman.

[niyad]

43. and she was cremated.

[Roy Rolling]

33. Bullshit

His brain is fried, this is a perfect example. Who cares why he is a traitor?

[gab13by13]

35. There probably were documents

that could incriminate Trump in a crimes, so he destroyed them.

What I find horrifying is that we don't know what documents are missing. Don't give me shit when I say my public library has better security than trump's White House had. How does one get top secret documents that are supposed to be stored in a safe, in a SCIF, with sign out, sign back in protocols to a storage room in Mar-el-Loco? My guess is that those documents were not signed out. At least my librarian does that to a book that I borrow. The thing is, no one stopped him, they let him do this for 4 years. Trump went through Chiefs of Staff until he found a flunky, Mark Meadows. Meadows should have been subpoenaed 18 months ago. The J6 committee tried.

[Novara]

39. WE don't know what's missing, but I'll bet the DOJ does

It's quite possible, that since some of the documents were outlined as "too sensitive to describe," that they won't let us know exactly what he stole. In fact, NARA's and the DOJ's own admission that some of these documents are THAT sensitive implies that they do know exactly what he stole. They've reported that he had hundreds of documents - I'll bet they know exactly what those are, and they're simply giving the public what they are allowed to - a number.

I could be wrong, but I think they know exactly what he stole and we the public are only getting snippets of that information.

[Novara]

36. Isn't it cute how he thinks the report exonerates him ...

... when in fact, I'll bet it states exactly the opposite. Why else has the unredacted report never been released?

He took them to destroy them. He took them so there wouldn't be a record. Obviously these were among the classified documents. But while he was at it, he took so much more and it now is an international security issue.

[slightlv]

46. I agree with you.

After all, he thinks the Presidential Records Act states that the records belong to HIM not to anyone else! He can't read. He can't understand. I swear, he's learning disabled and that's why he's addicted to Adderall. He got started on it in his youth, and hasn't been abled to turn lose of it in his old age, not that it helps his learning disability any longer.

[Make7]

37. Did he want them released? Or hidden?

I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions! - DJT, October 2020

All Russia Hoax Scandal information was Declassified by me long ago. Unfortunately for our Country, people have acted very slowly, especially since it is perhaps the biggest political crime in the history of our Country. Act!!! - DJT, October 2020

According to a person with direct knowledge of the situation and another source briefed on the matter, Trump told several people working in and outside the White House that he was concerned Joe Biden’s incoming administration — or the “Deep State” — would supposedly “shred,” bury, or destroy “the evidence” that Trump was somehow wronged.

Why didn't he release this information that proves he was "wronged" in the past 2½ years? Is he trying to coverup his innocence?

[twodogsbarking]

38. You can always tell what Trump has done by what he blames others of doing.

[Novara]

40. Exactly.

He thinks if he says the documents exonerated him the idiot public will believe it. Well, some of them will - their cult leader can do no wrong.

But the rest of us know he's always guilty of what he accuses others.

[muriel_volestrangler]

41. That means, literally, he needed to steal the documents

When he was president he could have, if he chose, gone through the proper declassification process, and publicised the stuff that he claimed would help him. By trying to take it all, and leave the United States government without a copy of what belongs to it, he was clearly stealing (taking from the lawful owner with intent to permanently deprive) the documents.

[Botany]

45. From April to Sept. '16 Vlad's Alfa bank had 2,000 computer connections to the Trump's server

Was There a Connection Between a Russian Bank and the Trump Campaign?


* In 2016 a computer server from the Vlad backed Alfa Bank had > 2,000 searches for a computer server in the little town of Lititiz, PA from April to early Oct. That computer server was working for the Trump campaign.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/was-there-a-connection-between-a-russian-bank-and-the-trump-campaign


Examining records for the Trump domain, Max’s group discovered D.N.S. lookups from a pair of servers owned by Alfa Bank, one of the largest banks in Russia. Alfa Bank’s computers were looking up the address of the Trump server nearly every day. There were dozens of lookups on some days and far fewer on others, but the total number was notable: between May and September, Alfa Bank looked up the Trump Organization’s domain more than two thousand times. “We were watching this happen in real time—it was like watching an airplane fly by,” Max said. “And we thought, Why the hell is a Russian bank communicating with a server that belongs to the Trump Organization, and at such a rate?”

Only one other entity seemed to be reaching out to the Trump Organization’s domain with any frequency: Spectrum Health, of Grand Rapids, Michigan. Spectrum Health is closely linked to the DeVos family; Richard DeVos, Jr., is the chairman of the board, and one of its hospitals is named after his mother. His wife, Betsy DeVos, was appointed Secretary of Education by Donald Trump. Her brother, Erik Prince, is a Trump associate who has attracted the scrutiny of Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Trump’s ties to Russia. Mueller has been looking into Prince’s meeting, following the election, with a Russian official in the Seychelles, at which he reportedly discussed setting up a back channel between Trump and the Russian President, Vladimir Putin. (Prince maintains that the meeting was “incidental.”) In the summer of 2016, Max and the others weren’t aware of any of this. “We didn’t know who DeVos was,” Max said.

[slightlv]

47. I was one of us who followed this story as closely as possible

Was amazed to not see it picked up by *someone* and followed to an end someplace. To me, it was an obvious lead to a Russian link to hijinx to get Trump installed into the Presidential office. I just couldn't believe it was dropped like a hot potato and no one seemed to follow up on it.

[Danascot]

42. I find it hard to believe that the National Security apparatus

wouldn't have made hard or electronic copies of the documents before they were released to Trump or anyone else.

[Hekate]

49. Suuure he was protecting them

[Martin68]

50. Fair enough. Now let's see him produce those documents...

[blue-wave]

51. OMG!!

So tfg admits that he had highly secret documents and those documents are related to Russia. But there was no collusion with Russia/Putin, right trumpy?

Some of the folders that once contained those documents are empty. WHERE ARE THE DOCUMENTS tfg? My guess is somewhere deep in the Kremlin.