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BumRushDaShow

(128,388 posts)
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 10:27 AM Sep 2022

Mortgage rates hit 6%, first time since 2008 housing crash

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — Average long-term U.S. mortgage rates climbed over 6% this week for the first time since the housing crash of 2008, threatening to sideline even more homebuyers from a rapidly cooling housing market.

Mortgage buyer Freddie Mac reported Thursday that the 30-year rate rose to 6.02% from 5.89% last week. The long-term average rate has more than doubled since a year ago and is the highest it’s been since November of 2008, just after the housing market collapse triggered the Great Recession. One year ago, the rate stood at 2.86%.

Rising interest rates — in part a result of the Federal Reserve’s aggressive push to tamp down inflation — have cooled off a housing market that has been hot for years. Many potential home buyers are getting pushed out of the market as the higher rates have added hundreds of dollars to monthly mortgage payments. Sales of existing homes in the U.S. have fallen for six straight months, according to the National Association of Realtors.

The average rate on 15-year, fixed-rate mortgages, popular among those looking to refinance their homes, rose to 5.21% from 5.16% last week. Last year at this time the rate was 2.19%. Mortgage rates don’t necessarily mirror the Fed’s rate increases, but tend to track the yield on the 10-year Treasury note. That’s influenced by a variety of factors, including investors’ expectations for future inflation and global demand for U.S. Treasurys.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/inflation-mortgages-mortgage-rates-90d3b63fe4dd8b81d6765375d403cb8e

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Mortgage rates hit 6%, first time since 2008 housing crash (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 OP
I guess when the rates go up, less people can afford to buy a house. Less demand, more supply mitch96 Sep 2022 #1
I doubt housing prices will fall much unless there is a total crash.... Happy Hoosier Sep 2022 #5
Housing prices melm00se Sep 2022 #7
All the investment greoups have cash so they like a drop in prices and can add more inventory... BadGimp Sep 2022 #15
The mortgage rates won't make a bit of difference to the personal home buyers. Crowman2009 Sep 2022 #2
I read some articles I think yesterday BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #3
HGTV has ruined the real estate after market. Period. oldsoftie Sep 2022 #8
You could possibly go back to PBS BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #12
At least they taught you how to do stuff! oldsoftie Sep 2022 #16
Agree - the house flipping shows have become cringe-worthy BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #17
It isn't outrageous everywhere. Happy Hoosier Sep 2022 #6
I'm so grateful that we refi-ed early this year when rates were reasonable. WhiteTara Sep 2022 #4
Historically these current rates are still a good deal. We're just not used to seeing it. oldsoftie Sep 2022 #11
I re-fi'd and am paying the same monthly payment but paying off my house 10 years earlier Novara Sep 2022 #14
The Fed needs to cool it after this next hike. And this one better NOT be a full point. oldsoftie Sep 2022 #9
The Feds goal at destroying the economy is on track. nt yaesu Sep 2022 #10
The problem: The median house price was 3x median income in the 80s, it's close to 7x now progree Sep 2022 #13
So inflation will be quelled by raising the price of everything nowforever Sep 2022 #18
I remember when a reasonable interest rate for mortgages was 9%, and houses were 100K JohnSJ Sep 2022 #19
So this makes it even more impossible to buy a home for the non-uber wealthy. honest.abe Sep 2022 #20

mitch96

(13,869 posts)
1. I guess when the rates go up, less people can afford to buy a house. Less demand, more supply
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 10:32 AM
Sep 2022

housing prices go down. Yes? Or is this too simplistic...
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Happy Hoosier

(7,210 posts)
5. I doubt housing prices will fall much unless there is a total crash....
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 11:43 AM
Sep 2022

As in 2008. But the idea is to arrest price increases. We'll see though. Frankly, a 5-6% rate is reall where this should be for normal operations. If the rate is always low, there is very little room for Fed Stimulus other than pumping up the money supply.

melm00se

(4,984 posts)
7. Housing prices
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 11:56 AM
Sep 2022

correlate with mortgage interest rates, real property taxes and property insurance rates.

I seem to remember seeing an article that basically said that p&i + tax escrow + insurance escrow (IOW your all in payment amount) doesn't really vary that much for similar sized houses but the sale price varies (of course there are outlier markets but markets right in the middle see this).



BadGimp

(4,012 posts)
15. All the investment greoups have cash so they like a drop in prices and can add more inventory...
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 01:14 PM
Sep 2022

...for less.

The American Dream of Home Ownership has been financialized to the point where most Americans can not afford to buy a house. The same thing that happened to Higher Education.

Crowman2009

(2,490 posts)
2. The mortgage rates won't make a bit of difference to the personal home buyers.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 10:49 AM
Sep 2022

Seeing how these properties are already way overpriced to the point of unaffordability to the average person. My only hope is that these real-estate investment firms lose all their money, along with the crypto/NFT pricks.

BumRushDaShow

(128,388 posts)
3. I read some articles I think yesterday
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 11:22 AM
Sep 2022

talking about the "cooling of the housing market" and I think everyone knows it is way overpriced - often with nothing but flippers doing one little upgrade, jacking the price up, and then selling to another flipper. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

In some cases, you have foreign multimillionaire speculators buying up and flipping multiple tracts of houses to try to grab a quick profit.

If anything, that whole house-flipping thing needs to be regulated IN FULL because you end up with streets with no people living in the houses because flippers price them out and can only dump the houses by flipping them to another (albeit naive) flipper.

It's like a pyramid scheme and in this environment, those last ones in holding these properties are going to have to take a loss to get the house sold.

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
16. At least they taught you how to do stuff!
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 01:24 PM
Sep 2022

Most of these "flip this house" shows are phony as hell. And they're almost always set in some city where they buy a 3/2 DUMP, pay 650k % "profit" 196K

BumRushDaShow

(128,388 posts)
17. Agree - the house flipping shows have become cringe-worthy
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 01:33 PM
Sep 2022

I used to watch HGTV a lot years ago but over time they had less and less "G" (garden) and too much "H" (home).

I can't remember the last time I turned it on.

Happy Hoosier

(7,210 posts)
6. It isn't outrageous everywhere.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 11:45 AM
Sep 2022

Prices where I live ar estill pretty reasonable. The issue here is that educated professionals don't want to move in to an ass-backwards state like Indiana.

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
11. Historically these current rates are still a good deal. We're just not used to seeing it.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 12:31 PM
Sep 2022

We've become used to cheap money. I know a couple folks who locked in 2.5%. Thats just crazy.
People under 40 think 5% is horrible. My parents bought a house in 1967 for 5% interest.
Rates should have been back to 5ish YEARS ago.

Novara

(5,819 posts)
14. I re-fi'd and am paying the same monthly payment but paying off my house 10 years earlier
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 01:00 PM
Sep 2022

I went down to a 2.8% rate. I was sooooo lucky (I am not smart enough to have planned the timing so well).

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
9. The Fed needs to cool it after this next hike. And this one better NOT be a full point.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 12:27 PM
Sep 2022

They were too slow to start & now they're rushing to catch up. Both are mistakes.
Let the market adjust for a couple months & THEN make a decision if it warrants another raise

progree

(10,889 posts)
13. The problem: The median house price was 3x median income in the 80s, it's close to 7x now
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 12:55 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216658196#post8

The mortgage payment is essentially the interest rate X the house price (yes I know its a bit more than that to pay down the principal over 30 years or whatever the term is, and yes I know the formula). Am tired of some people bragging about how super-high mortgage rates were in the 80's and how horribly tough their lives were, and how people have it so easy now. They leave out the house price part of it.

I am a boomer and bought my house in June 1980, so I know what high mortgage rates are. Yes, it was hard, but not impossible -- house prices were about 1/5 of what they are now.

Also not many people were paying the sky-high interest rates some people cite. I bought a house in June 1980. About 2/3 of it was financed at 9% (I assumed a mortgage) and the rest at 12%. While that combination (10.0%) is almost double today's rates; like the title says, house prices were less than 1/2 what they are now when expressed in terms of median income.

As for higher mortgage rates that some say are good for us -- they don't help anyone except the bank. They slow down the price increase (so far), maybe lower prices in some areas, but when you multiply the mortgage rate by the house price (or better yet, use the proper formula), the mortgage payment is a higher number than before. That is not helping the buyer. And it sure the heck isn't helping the seller. Just the bank. Tell me the mortgage payment is coming down and I will start cheering. Ecstatically.

nowforever

(299 posts)
18. So inflation will be quelled by raising the price of everything
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:54 PM
Sep 2022

The current worldwide inflation issues are almost entirely driven by a pandemic that has disrupted demand and supply for the past 21/2 years. These demand and supply issues will naturally adjust as economies return to normal activity. The Ukrainian War is now making that more difficult. Destroying demand by raising the cost of everything is the Feds solution to inflation. Their logic is once you crush demand it will force the price of goods and services to fall because...nobody has any money so we have to make things cheaper so they'll spend what little they have. The best solution is to allow the normal up and down, in the cost of things, to occur without outside meddling (Fed raising rates). The Feds interference is more than counterproductive its destructive.

honest.abe

(8,610 posts)
20. So this makes it even more impossible to buy a home for the non-uber wealthy.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 05:13 PM
Sep 2022

I think many will just give up. Damn shame because I personally feel the Feds raising interest rates is the wrong approach.

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