Bus contractor who was hired by Gov. Abbott signed contract not to talk to New York officials.
Source: Yahoo News
A contractor hired by Texas to bus migrants signed an agreement that bans them from talking to New York officials, the Associated Press reported.
Manuel Castro, commissioner of the New York City Mayor's Office of Immigrant Affairs, told the AP that complicates efforts to meet and provide resources for migrants being sent from Texas.
"It's a problem because we don't know when the buses are coming, how many buses are coming, if anyone on these buses has medical conditions that they will need help with, if they need a wheelchair,"Castro told the outlet. "We at least want to know that so that we can best help people as they arrive."
Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/bus-contractor-hired-texas-gov-192722017.htmlLink to source
Well, it has started. Abbot was sure he could get away with it, but the "Stupid One" (Gov. Abbott) made a mistake, A Very Big Mistake. Wait, is Abbott running for election in November? Someone named Beto is running against him.
Is that correct? And Beto has an honest background, not like Abbot. Is that correct too? Wonderful move for our side... Abbot is much TOO STUPID to know he made a mistake......(in Stuart's opinion)
Me.
(35,454 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Zilli
(184 posts)would override any document that this driver signed and force disclosure. Wonder if a state grand jury would be able to do the same. Oh well, I'm dreaming . . . .
wnylib
(21,341 posts)it means obstructing justice in a criminal investigation.
But I am not a lawyer.
I would just arrest the driver or pilot and transport company on charges of human trafficking.
LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)This would be independent of who their passengers were...
If officials wanted to. It would be the feds since they crossed state lines. The driver is also responsible.
W T F
(1,145 posts)machoneman
(3,997 posts)illegal trafficing. Sieze any bus, even in FL or TX, owned by the firm and make them play it all out in court. Notify their carrier insurance co. of the crime and demand cancellation. And this just for starters. Herald these acts in the media to scare off any other bus co, from following Abbot's or DeSatan's order. Arrest the woman (mystery woman) who produced those fake documents. This all just for starters.
Then, seize all the jets that fleet charter co, has used, suspend each pilot's FAA license, impound their hangars and ground equipment. Arrest the line's executives for illegal trafficking.
housecat
(3,121 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)This sounds like a clear violation.
wnylib
(21,341 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,056 posts)There are licenses, regulations.
ShazzieB
(16,273 posts)I don't know what specific agency it would, but it would have to be under the Dept. Of Transportation, under the purview of Secretary Pete! 😁
msfiddlestix
(7,271 posts)LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)I'm going to guess he'll get a subpoena eventually as part of the investigation & Abbott's administration will use that to deny him pay for a job he'd already done.
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)Beartracks
(12,799 posts)Ad really, what could be the consequences for breach?
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wnylib
(21,341 posts)conspiracy to commit the crime of human trafficking? Then couldn't all parties to the contract be charged?
Jimvanhise
(300 posts)If a contract on its face is illegal, it cannot be enforced. The contract basically tells the driver that even though what he's doing is against the law, he's not allowed to discuss it. Fail.
bucolic_frolic
(43,056 posts)wnylib
(21,341 posts)to commit a crime, couldn't it?
sakabatou
(42,136 posts)Swede
(33,206 posts)Let him get a lawyer and make his bond BIG.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)And then we will learn more of the .."facts" ..."Just the Facts, man, Just the Facts"
wnylib
(21,341 posts)Wouldn't it have to be someone on a federal level? I don't think that one state can arrest the governor of another state.
LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)This would be a DOT or NTSB thing.
Although I don't know if they would arrest Abbott, but they could make his life miserable.
no_hypocrisy
(46,025 posts)paleotn
(17,884 posts)DUgosh
(3,054 posts)Sell them to pay for food and housing
Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)moonshinegnomie
(2,438 posts)also let it be known that any bus driver who drives the buses can also be arrested. just the threat should be enough to act as a deterrent
czarjak
(11,253 posts)Takket
(21,528 posts)i can't fathom signing a contract from a government official with those kinds of terms. you can't discuss it with New York??? Don't these bus companies have lawyers to review requests that bizarre???????? wouldn't such phrasing arouse suspicions that something about this was VERY wrong?
and is it even legal to just put people on a bus and ship them cross country?????? without them knowing where they are even going???
azureblue
(2,145 posts)and to get paid..
Hekate
(90,557 posts)azureblue
(2,145 posts)is not worth the paper it's printed on
1 - The Bus driver / company committed a crime by transporting undocumented migrants. The Bus Driver can be arrested for being a coyote.
2 - Then, if he wants to avoid jail, he will talk. He can be held for contempt of court if he refuses, and a Judge will not buy the contract as an excuse. In fact, a judge will consider that hindering justice.
3 - any NDA signed in the commission of a crime, is void. Even Abbott knows that..
LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)That has been established over and over...
Asylum seekers almost always take buses to their sponsoring host. I know people who work with them. They provide them with supplies before they take their trip.
EmmaLee E
(169 posts)then they can travel while awaiting hearing on their cases (which usually takes a long time).
LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)Where they go through the ICE Centers..Some are detention centers. They are given background checks etc etc etc
Afterward, they are free to travel
The Migrant Center in San Antonio is a not "legal" thing. It's a social center/shelter where they are given a place to sleep for a few days. The Migrant Center helps them find host families etc. After a few days, they are no longer staying at the Migrant Center due to to space limitations. If they don't have a host family they are kinda homeless afterward. However, they are probably allowed some of the daytime services.
I didn't know there was a migrant center there. I had some business to do just down the block from the center. There were large amounts of homeless people and I thought, "Yeah, it looks like the homeless problem is getting really bad...." (Our homeless shelters are downtown and the migrant center is in a middle class part of town, near shopping centers etc)
The Migrant Center is a partnership with the City of San Antonio and Catholic Charities.
2live is 2fly
(336 posts)prevent those responsible for transporting these poor misfortunate brothers and sisters from being arrested for doing so. Those doing the transporting i.e., drivers and pilots are all (IMO) a part of the conspiracy.
ZonkerHarris
(24,207 posts)LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)That contract isn't worth a rodent's behind.
Marcuse
(7,446 posts)LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)Last week, a 2-year-old who arrived in New York was hospitalized for dehydration and a pregnant woman on the same bus was in severe pain, according to advocates and city officials. Volunteer groups such as TLC NYC often wait hours for buses arriving from Texas in a designated space of Manhattans Port of Authority Bus Terminal because expected arrival times have been off.
NBachers
(17,081 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)laws have definitely been broken, Federal agents were also in on it, with that many "groups" involved that is RICO!
LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)She picked them up at McDonald's and put them in a motel for a few days.
I'm sure any fraudster could fill out those documents
msfiddlestix
(7,271 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Moving people across state lines against their will sure sounds like kidnapping to me.
mn9driver
(4,419 posts)Trafficking. Somebody is going down.
Bayard
(22,005 posts)The whole affair stinks to high heaven, and sounds illegal. And Abbott admits he's planning to continue.
Pre-meditated crime and conspiracy. Beto should be able to wipe the floor with him after this stunt.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)The stooges are alive, but which is which?
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Abbott, Patrick and Payton.
I'm joining up with League of Women Voters in my area. I'm talking to everyone, "are you registered, you must vote as though your life depends on it". Reaching out mostly to young kids and handing out voter registration cards.
I'm hopeful, but if we don't have a huge turnout, well, Texas has still kept the worst of the voting machines. All bets off.
And the Republican legislature did pass the same BS that Georgia did. If they don't like results, they can be overturned.
Most are not even aware. Early voting must be encouraged constantly. Impress how easy that is. Don't wait till the last day.
And check your voter registration. At 64, same address for 5 years, I was removed. Fixed it.
Ms7wo7rees
LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)DHS officials work around-the-clock to enforce our laws, process migrants appropriately, and care for those in custody. Unlike these governors, they are not in the business of using vulnerable men, women, and children as props for a political stunt, said DHS spokesman Luis Miranda.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/17/texas-migrants-desantis-bus-flights/
KS Toronado
(17,152 posts)As soon as the bus crosses into New York State have the N.Y. Highway Patrol pull them over for
something, find out if their lips are sealed.
YoshidaYui
(41,818 posts)N/t.
DFW
(54,295 posts)Let them try refusing to talk to the FBI.
gfwzig
(135 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,783 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,271 posts)I am not a legal scholar or lawyer or anything, Just a citizen thinking this just can't be legal.
Biut I've been shocked and surprised many times about what is legal when it comes to people in power.
LeftInTX
(25,127 posts)It would be illegal for a bus not have a radio etc.
LiberalFighter
(50,783 posts)indicates they knew they were committing a crime.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)loading people in cattle cars with armed officers?
I'm honestly wondering how far this can go.. like the Trail of Tears when the supreme court said Jackson couldn't do it, but he did it anyway.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)break the law and ruin their own changes for safe harbor.
pfitz59
(10,302 posts)throw the Mann Act at them. Certainly what they are doing is immoral.