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BumRushDaShow

(128,257 posts)
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:21 PM Sep 2022

Dearie asks Trump lawyers whether they believe FBI lied about seized documents

Source: Washington Post

The Mar-a-Lago special master on Thursday ordered Donald Trump’s lawyers to state in a court filing whether they believe FBI agents lied about documents seized from the former president’s Florida residence in a court-authorized search last month, or claimed to have taken items that were not actually in Trump’s possession.

In a Thursday afternoon filing, U.S. District Judge Raymond J. Dearie — the special master — told Trump’s legal team to state by Sept. 30 whether they believe any of the seized items were incorrectly described in the Justice Department’s 11-page inventory list, which said some of the documents were highly classified. Dearie also told them to say whether they are claiming that any items on the inventory list were not in fact taken from the premises. Trump has said on social media and in television interviews that the FBI planted items and described as classified documents that he had declassified when they searched his Mar-A-Lago residence and private club on Aug. 8.

His lawyers have not asserted that in court, however, instead saying they have not reviewed the seized materials and are unable to confirm whether the government’s inventory list is accurate. Dearie’s order marks the first time that a courts has demanded that Trump’s lawyers back up his claims. “The submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory,” he wrote. It’s a striking difference from how Judge Aileen Cannon — the Florida-based judge who granted Trump’s request to appoint a special master earlier this month — has handled her part of the case.

Cannon never asked Trump’s lawyers to explain why they thought the inventory list may be inaccurate or why they implied that some of the documents that were labeled as classified were not actually classified. Dearie gave the government — which is investigating the potential mishandling of classified information at Mar-a-Lago — until Monday to submit a statement declaring whether its inventory list is a full and accurate representation of what was seized. The government must also later respond to any factual disputes that Trump’s team raises in its filings.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/22/dearie-trump-order-declassify/



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Dearie asks Trump lawyers whether they believe FBI lied about seized documents (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 OP
everything he has said so far amounts to... getagrip_already Sep 2022 #1
Ha ha great point underpants Sep 2022 #18
And it's lucky for us that he IS handling these questions as the Special Master FakeNoose Sep 2022 #28
Yep. This. I'm glad Dearie's in the picture. calimary Sep 2022 #68
Judge Dearie did not come to play. Botany Sep 2022 #2
Judge Dearie: "Okay, guys, put up or STFU." nt grumpyduck Sep 2022 #3
And you have one week. They really fucked up when they pick a real judge Walleye Sep 2022 #6
Trump is afraid he will be convicted on the law he made into a felony.So he is crying not classified Walleye Sep 2022 #4
Well, when you can declassify anything just by.... SergeStorms Sep 2022 #36
Big strong man came up with tears streaming down his face and said, sir you can declassify anything Walleye Sep 2022 #37
You got it! SergeStorms Sep 2022 #38
That's one ironically comical aspect of this whole thing. yonder Sep 2022 #43
The very phrase jumped into my mind Walleye Sep 2022 #54
Next week: VWolf Sep 2022 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author yonder Sep 2022 #63
That's gonna be the icing on the cake of his indictment... Volaris Sep 2022 #46
He really did look scared. Five years in prison Walleye Sep 2022 #48
That's right! Just Deserts! Cha Sep 2022 #52
This is going to require several petards to hoist him on Walleye Sep 2022 #53
And a crane. nt Wednesdays Sep 2022 #65
Thank you for that visual image. I will laugh every time I think of it Walleye Sep 2022 #66
Hahah, call out his BS! intrepidity Sep 2022 #5
He doesn't even remember the things he declassified in his mind? Walleye Sep 2022 #8
"I didn't have any classified docs!" intrepidity Sep 2022 #10
I hope he says that in court Walleye Sep 2022 #11
Then FBI shows the fingerprints lol nt intrepidity Sep 2022 #12
And videotape Walleye Sep 2022 #14
Even better! nt intrepidity Sep 2022 #17
TFG knows Exactly what he declassified ... speak easy Sep 2022 #19
Big grin! erronis Sep 2022 #21
Some of those docs are said to be so sensitive, they cannot be put on any list SheltieLover Sep 2022 #29
Exactly. Don't know lots of details but the question that popped Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #39
I couldn't agree more! SheltieLover Sep 2022 #41
Maybe that's what they will argue? That they had no idea what was in the boxes Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #44
Asked to list what he declassified tfg responded with sdfernando Sep 2022 #51
The ketchup must be flying today! zuul Sep 2022 #9
Heinz sight is 2020. Ponietz Sep 2022 #13
. . . zuul Sep 2022 #15
You win Walleye Sep 2022 #16
Bravo. LoisB Sep 2022 #22
DUzy! BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #23
+1 Gore1FL Sep 2022 #27
Dew Zee !!! FailureToCommunicate Sep 2022 #30
That's the punniest thing I've heard all day! ShazzieB Sep 2022 #32
One more: Bravo! yonder Sep 2022 #45
Hilarious! I gift wrapped this internet just for you: 🎁 crickets Sep 2022 #56
LOL! n/t EndlessWire Sep 2022 #64
An all-time GREAT post! O. M. G. !!! calimary Sep 2022 #67
Trumps response, and the response his lawyers are willing to give to the court, will be two differen ZonkerHarris Sep 2022 #40
I think I'm in love with this judge. halfulglas Sep 2022 #7
Judge Dearie did not come to play. Botany Sep 2022 #20
Although the ding-dongs who show up at trump rallies calimary Sep 2022 #35
"The ding-dongs who show up at trump rallies." Botany Sep 2022 #55
Yes, EVERYONE is corrupted by the Deep State. intheflow Sep 2022 #62
OH, that's very different and in that case..... multigraincracker Sep 2022 #24
Trump and his lawyers have no idea if the Gubmint's inventory is accurate or not. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #25
exactly! they have no idea of what would be an accurate inventory orleans Sep 2022 #26
After months and months of dicking around with NARA Walleye Sep 2022 #49
So won't they argue that? If I was being accused, that Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #47
fuck around and find out Novara Sep 2022 #31
Can a judge legally ask that question of a lawyer? Turn the lawyer into a character witness? JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2022 #33
I think he's giving them a warning here ZonkerHarris Sep 2022 #42
This judge (who is acting as a Special Master) BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #50
Thanks, that clarifies it. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2022 #57
You're welcome! BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #58
Judge Dearie is my hero! ShazzieB Sep 2022 #34
Lots of people thought this judge would be in tRump's pocket Maeve Sep 2022 #60
It was good to see! BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #61
he is a right winger prodigitalson Sep 2022 #69

getagrip_already

(14,578 posts)
1. everything he has said so far amounts to...
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:24 PM
Sep 2022

Why the F is this on my plate? Why didn't judge cannon handle this question?

underpants

(182,551 posts)
18. Ha ha great point
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:37 PM
Sep 2022

I came out of retirement for THIS??

Not a lawyer but your post sounds like what I’ve heard in the office before. Without the F but we all knew it was there.

FakeNoose

(32,532 posts)
28. And it's lucky for us that he IS handling these questions as the Special Master
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:43 PM
Sep 2022

Judge Cannon has already proven that she cannot be fair or impartial.

Botany

(70,424 posts)
2. Judge Dearie did not come to play.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:24 PM
Sep 2022

“The submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to completeness and
accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory,” he wrote.

IOW to TFG's lawyers do you want to perjure your selfs in front of my court?

SergeStorms

(19,116 posts)
36. Well, when you can declassify anything just by....
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:20 PM
Sep 2022

thinking about them, why worry?

"Some people say you can do that, and it's perfectly legal".

Please produce affidavits from these people, Mr. Trump. Tell them to provide their CVs as well.

What a dipshit.

Walleye

(30,910 posts)
37. Big strong man came up with tears streaming down his face and said, sir you can declassify anything
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:22 PM
Sep 2022

SergeStorms

(19,116 posts)
38. You got it!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:24 PM
Sep 2022

You have him down to a T.

I'm surprised he didn't say that on Hannity. Maybe he's saving it for tonight.

yonder

(9,653 posts)
43. That's one ironically comical aspect of this whole thing.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:42 PM
Sep 2022

TFG trying to show Hillary a thing or two about classification....and he'll likely get hoisted by his own petard.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
59. Next week:
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 08:48 AM
Sep 2022

TDFG: "I don't even know that law. I might have met it a long time ago. Maybe it got coffee for me once."

Response to VWolf (Reply #59)

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
46. That's gonna be the icing on the cake of his indictment...
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:47 PM
Sep 2022

Charged with breaking his own fucking law.

intrepidity

(7,267 posts)
5. Hahah, call out his BS!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:27 PM
Sep 2022

Can't wait to see his response.

Bet it goes like this: I can't be sure because they won't let me examine what they took!

Walleye

(30,910 posts)
8. He doesn't even remember the things he declassified in his mind?
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:29 PM
Sep 2022

Simple look at the list. If you didn’t have possession of something on there, now is your chance to say so.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
39. Exactly. Don't know lots of details but the question that popped
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:27 PM
Sep 2022

In my head was, does the trump team have a real list? How can they say a list is accurate unless they literally took notes or had a good list? Know they're blowing smoke, but it seems impossible

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. Maybe that's what they will argue? That they had no idea what was in the boxes
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:43 PM
Sep 2022

The boxes? I guess it kind of depends on what they did during the search. Did the FBI sit down with somebody and say okay number one, here's a classified document, number two here's a newspaper clipping, etc etc

Botany

(70,424 posts)
20. Judge Dearie did not come to play.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:46 PM
Sep 2022
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/raymond-dearie-special-master-reviewing-mar-lago-documents/story

He is old school and if you are in his court room you had better bring your A game. Now Trump can
on Fox or go in front of a MAGA rally in Youngstown and lie his ass off but his lawyers know they
can't say made up shit like, "President Trump already declassified those documents so it is all OK."

calimary

(81,044 posts)
35. Although the ding-dongs who show up at trump rallies
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:18 PM
Sep 2022

will swallow ANYTHING he feeds them. Including shit.

Botany

(70,424 posts)
55. "The ding-dongs who show up at trump rallies."
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:08 PM
Sep 2022

I think the majority of those ding dongs know down deep that Trump is lying to them as
he is picking their pockets but the hateful, anti educational, racist shit he spews scratches
their hateful, anti educational, and racist shit itches.

BTW for the love of dog I wish the media would cover the fact that it is the same people
who go to his rallies time after time.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
62. Yes, EVERYONE is corrupted by the Deep State.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 11:13 AM
Sep 2022

Because many of his QAnon followers know nothing about law, government, or the justice system beyond what fictions they binge on Netflix, they will believe his lawyers were bought out by powerful Jews and Black people driven to "final solution" Trump and his followers for political gain. It must be exhausting to be so dumb and blind to reality.

maxsolomon

(33,220 posts)
25. Trump and his lawyers have no idea if the Gubmint's inventory is accurate or not.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:33 PM
Sep 2022

They had no inventory of their own; they just had boxes of stuff.

Dearie doesn't tolerate malarkey.

orleans

(34,039 posts)
26. exactly! they have no idea of what would be an accurate inventory
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:39 PM
Sep 2022

They had no inventory of their own; they just had boxes of stuff.



this a million times!

Walleye

(30,910 posts)
49. After months and months of dicking around with NARA
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:04 PM
Sep 2022

You’d think he could’ve had one of his minions at least write up a list of stuff. He doesn’t want to let anybody in on his secrets. Wasn’t Kash Patel supposed to be taking care of this

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
47. So won't they argue that? If I was being accused, that
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:55 PM
Sep 2022

would be my defense... I know nuttin. And if they found my fingerprints I just say "well I may have touched this in 2017!" Now if the government has a video of me sitting in that room reading through the docs, that's a 100% different story

Novara

(5,811 posts)
31. fuck around and find out
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:54 PM
Sep 2022

Life looks a lot different with a judge who follows the law rather than sucks your ass, doesn't it, orange fuck?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,314 posts)
33. Can a judge legally ask that question of a lawyer? Turn the lawyer into a character witness?
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:05 PM
Sep 2022

The lawyer, no matter what he "believes", is obligated to defend his client. If he stands in court and says he doesn't believe the client, that seems like grounds for appeal, incompetent representation or something like that.

It just seems like a dumb question, even if all parties "know", with a wink and a nod, that the client is slinging bullshit.

ZonkerHarris

(24,198 posts)
42. I think he's giving them a warning here
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:29 PM
Sep 2022

I think he’s giving them a warning here
Based on the fact that we already know trumps lawyers have submitted false documents to the government ascertaining that all the documents have been returned already.
I think he’s testing them. He’s testing them to see if they’re gonna make the same sort of false claims in his court ruled that were made to the DOJ already by other lawyers for Trump

BumRushDaShow

(128,257 posts)
50. This judge (who is acting as a Special Master)
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:05 PM
Sep 2022

is asking them to basically clarify and attest to what they believe the problems were with the search process and what was seized. They had a hearing earlier in the week and I think this is probably more fallout from that. Another part of the OP article notes this -

(snip)

Dearie’s order, in essence, demands that Trump’s lawyers back up their client’s claims. “This submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to the completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory,” he wrote.

At a hearing Tuesday, Dearie pressed Trump’s lawyers to take a position on whether the classified documents were, as Trump has said, declassified, but they demurred.

(snip)


The government is also given an opportunity to address any assertions of impropriety, the veracity of their seizure, and accuracy of the inventory of what was to be taken, and what was actually taken.

But note that what they are doing isn't a "trial" with some outcome that can be "appealed". It's setting up the ground rules for document review - which is going to be looking at some 11,000 items, and that will now exclude anything that was marked as "Classified" (at any level).

BumRushDaShow

(128,257 posts)
58. You're welcome!
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 05:14 AM
Sep 2022

The last time something like this got "in the news" was when Michael Cohen had a Special Master assigned to go through the items collected from his apartment, office, and a hotel room he was using.

A retired federal judge ruled that less than 0.2% of all the Michael Cohen documents are privileged
Allan Smith
Aug 16, 2018, 6:39 PM

(snip)

The special master overseeing the document review in the federal investigation into Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former longtime lawyer, has ruled that roughly 0.2% of the more than 4 million documents seized by the FBI from the attorney are covered by attorney-client privilege.

Barbara Jones, a retired federal judge appointed to oversee the review, wrote in her final report to US District Judge Kimba Wood on Thursday that nearly 7,500 documents were either privileged, highly personal, or partially privileged. Cohen claimed privilege over slightly more than 12,000 of the 4 million-plus documents, and is not challenging any of Jones's rulings with Wood.

In a filing that was posted shortly after Jones's final report, Wood wrote that the parties must file any objections to Jones's determinations to the court by Friday evening.

Cohen is the focus of a criminal investigation in the Southern District of New York into whether he violated campaign-finance laws, committed bank fraud or wire fraud, engaged in illegal lobbying, or participated in other crimes. The FBI raided Cohen's home, hotel room, and office in April, seizing more than 4 million documents from Trump's longtime lawyer.

(snip)

https://www.businessinsider.com/special-master-rules-few-michael-cohen-documents-privileged-2018-8


However little of that process ever got dissected in the media like what is going on right now!

Maeve

(42,269 posts)
60. Lots of people thought this judge would be in tRump's pocket
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 08:57 AM
Sep 2022

And lots of people were badly mistaken.

Thanks for the updates and explanations, my friend!

BumRushDaShow

(128,257 posts)
61. It was good to see!
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 09:20 AM
Sep 2022

So far since the 2020 elections and the 60+ idiotic lawsuits from the Kracken crew (and their GOP state/federal supporters), almost all of the cases - many with rulings by 45-appointed judges - failed, some even not only including similar scathing rebukes, but "dismissing with prejudice".

prodigitalson

(2,364 posts)
69. he is a right winger
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 03:07 PM
Sep 2022

of the old school Reagan law and order variety. he's been a judge for a thousand years and undoubtedly has plenty of practice dealing with lawyers who fuck around in his court.

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