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SharonAnn

(13,771 posts)
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 11:46 AM Oct 2022

Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Russian Forces Retreat From Lyman

Source: New York Times

Here’s what we know:

The loss of the strategic rail hub in the east is particularly poorly timed for the Kremlin after its internationally derided illegal annexation of four Ukrainian regions.

Russia’s withdrawal from Lyman comes a day after Putin said he was annexing the region.

Broken glass, blown-out tires and a crater show the violence of a deadly attack in Zaporizhzhia.

At least 24 are dead, including 13 children, in an attack on a convoy in northeastern Ukraine, the authorities say.

Here’s why Russia’s retreat from Lyman matters.

Russia has detained the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant’s director general, its operator says.

Intercepted calls reveal the Russian army in disarray.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/01/world/russia-ukraine-war-news

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Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Russian Forces Retreat From Lyman (Original Post) SharonAnn Oct 2022 OP
Go Ukraine!!! COL Mustard Oct 2022 #1
Slava Ukraini nycbos Oct 2022 #2
This is showing the vast superiority of US/NATO trained Ukr. forces MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #3
The Ukrainians would probably say COL Mustard Oct 2022 #10
Didn't know that is now the motto for the Ukr. Marines, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #11
I see what you did there.... COL Mustard Oct 2022 #17
Slava Ukraini! 2naSalit Oct 2022 #4
Found this Blog post from someone (I'm assuming American) fighting for Ukraine OnlinePoker Oct 2022 #5
I hate literally rooting for a slaughter Tom Rinaldo Oct 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Oct 2022 #9
What is that way? mahina Oct 2022 #23
It's been a slaughter now for 7 months..... paleotn Oct 2022 #13
When does Snowden get his call up??? COL Mustard Oct 2022 #18
Slava Ukraini!! 🇺🇦 🌻 Leghorn21 Oct 2022 #6
Slava Ukraini! speak easy Oct 2022 #7
Whatsa matter Pooty Poot? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2022 #12
He has a sad? COL Mustard Oct 2022 #19
Our media ought to remind pooty that when he threatens using "tactical nukes," CaliforniaHoustonian Oct 2022 #21
It's a total massacre all the way from Lyman to Kreminna. Beastly Boy Oct 2022 #14
"The retreat marks a major embarrassment for Moscow ..." Jim__ Oct 2022 #15
Can't help wishing they'd been surrounded and captured. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #16
I think Putin should annex some more territory COL Mustard Oct 2022 #20
Or Moscow. mahina Oct 2022 #22
K&R ck4829 Oct 2022 #24

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,250 posts)
3. This is showing the vast superiority of US/NATO trained Ukr. forces
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 11:51 AM
Oct 2022

over Russian trained forces.

Semper Fi Ukraine.

COL Mustard

(5,870 posts)
10. The Ukrainians would probably say
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 01:23 PM
Oct 2022

"Вірний завжди" which, per Wikipedia, translates as "Always Faithful". It's also the motto for the Ukrainian Marines now.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,250 posts)
11. Didn't know that is now the motto for the Ukr. Marines,
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 01:25 PM
Oct 2022

but I'll bet the Russian soldiers know it now quite well.

OnlinePoker

(5,717 posts)
5. Found this Blog post from someone (I'm assuming American) fighting for Ukraine
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 12:27 PM
Oct 2022

It's somewhat graphic in the descriptions, but no images.

“its a slaughter”

Moved north.

its a slaughter

cut them off west of kreminna. got to go.

https://ukrainevolunteer297689472.wordpress.com/2022/09/30/its-a-slaughter/

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
8. I hate literally rooting for a slaughter
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 12:56 PM
Oct 2022

But the evil of what Russia is engaged in forces me to want them to be slaughtered if they won't surrender.

Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #8)

mahina

(17,616 posts)
23. What is that way?
Mon Oct 3, 2022, 04:51 AM
Oct 2022

Thanks. They are definitely attempting genocide and have only failed by the Grace if Ukraine’s determination and our help. (Our= Western nations)

They have taken so much.

Thanks for clarifying the way you see to stop them

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
13. It's been a slaughter now for 7 months.....
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 01:48 PM
Oct 2022

Though Ukraine has taken very heavy casualties too, they have been in general mobilization from the start, growing their forces and replacing their losses. Russia, for political reasons, not so much. They went in with 150 to 200K contract soldiers. Western estimates to date show 70 to 80K casualties. That's around HALF of the original invasion force chewed up, not counting the slow trickle in of new contract troops, Wagner Group mercs., etc., and the trickle out of deserters and refusenicks. It's so bad that the Ukrainians are now capturing Russian sailors and strategic missile troops in infantry units and manning tanks. An unmitigated shit show.

So....since contract soldier moral wasn't bad enough, lets throw in conscripts, convicts (authority problems, anyone?) and recent "shanghaies", poorly trained and poorly armed since they're running out of modern kit and the professional trainers are dead, wounded or fighting on the front themselves. They can do the conscript thing now since the lines are mostly within or bordering on recently acquired "Russian territory."

This debacle will be studied at length for generations on how to NOT fight a war....um...special operation. The biggest shit show since the Italians got their asses kicked in Greece in 1941.

COL Mustard

(5,870 posts)
18. When does Snowden get his call up???
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 03:36 PM
Oct 2022

I mean, he did serve 5 months or so in the Special Forces pipeline….

Leghorn21

(13,522 posts)
6. Slava Ukraini!! 🇺🇦 🌻
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 12:48 PM
Oct 2022
We thank the “Ministry of Defense” of 🇷🇺 for successful
cooperation in organizing the "Izyum 2.0" exercise. Almost
all russian troops deployed to Lyman were successfully
redeployed either into body bags or into 🇺🇦 captivity.
We have one question for you: Would you like a repeat?





21. Our media ought to remind pooty that when he threatens using "tactical nukes,"
Sun Oct 2, 2022, 06:59 PM
Oct 2022

... the prevailing winds will blow any radiation back to Russia.

Beastly Boy

(9,231 posts)
14. It's a total massacre all the way from Lyman to Kreminna.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:17 PM
Oct 2022

For the first time ever, I feel sorry for the Russian soldiers being slaughtered like sheep by the thousands.

And I wish the most terrible suffering and a slow death on their commanders, all the way up to Moscow.

Jim__

(14,063 posts)
15. "The retreat marks a major embarrassment for Moscow ..."
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:19 PM
Oct 2022

From The WashingtonPost - probably behind a paywall.

KYIV — Less than 24 hours after Russian President Vladimir Putin proudly proclaimed the illegal annexation of Ukraine’s Donetsk region, thousands of his troops appear to be withdrawing from a strategic town there under Ukrainian fire.

Russia’s Defense Ministry said Saturday that its troops were withdrawing from the town of Lyman in eastern Ukraine, as Ukrainian forces surrounded it. The retreat marks a major embarrassment for Moscow, a day after it claimed swaths of eastern Ukraine as its own — in the face of widespread international condemnation. Ukrainian forces advanced on the city overnight even as Russia put on a grand ceremony and a pop concert in Moscow’s Red Square celebrating the annexation.

“In connection with the creation of a threat of encirclement, the allied troops were withdrawn” from Lyman “to more advantageous lines,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said Saturday.

Serhiy Cherevaty, a spokesman for Ukraine’s armed forces, confirmed to The Washington Post that Ukrainian troops had entered Lyman. Despite the Kremlin statement, Cherevaty said fighting in the city was ongoing, suggesting that some Russian troops remain. Pro-Russian Telegram channels claimed Russian troops were under heavy Ukrainian attack as they tried to escape before Ukrainian forces cut off all exit routes.

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maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
16. Can't help wishing they'd been surrounded and captured.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:24 PM
Oct 2022

It would have been good to remove those troops (and their armaments) from the battlefield for the duration.

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