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Wed Nov 23, 2022, 04:17 AM

Club Q shooting suspect is nonbinary, defense attorneys say

Source: Denver Post

The person suspected of killing five and wounding 18 after opening fire in a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs is nonbinary, their defense attorney wrote in court filings Tuesday.

Joseph Archambault and Michael Bowman, the state public defenders for suspect Anderson Lee Aldrich, filed a slew of motions Tuesday and included a footnote about Aldrich’s identity.

“Anderson Aldrich is nonbinary,” the footnote states. “They use they/them pronouns, and for the purposes of all formal filings, will be addressed as Mx. Aldrich.”

They are scheduled to make their first court appearance virtually from the jail on Wednesday.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.denverpost.com/2022/11/22/anderson-lee-aldrich-club-q-shooting-non-binary/amp/

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Reply Club Q shooting suspect is nonbinary, defense attorneys say (Original post)
Jose Garcia Nov 23 OP
hlthe2b Nov 23 #1
NotHardly Nov 23 #52
LittleGirl Nov 23 #2
BlackSkimmer Nov 23 #3
LittleGirl Nov 23 #5
BlackSkimmer Nov 23 #26
LittleGirl Nov 23 #30
BlackSkimmer Nov 23 #31
LittleGirl Nov 23 #32
certainot Nov 23 #33
LittleGirl Nov 23 #41
certainot Nov 23 #45
LittleGirl Nov 23 #46
certainot Nov 23 #51
orangecrush Nov 24 #63
RobinA Nov 25 #64
BlackSkimmer Nov 23 #29
llashram Nov 23 #22
certainot Nov 23 #39
Post removed Nov 23 #36
irisblue Nov 23 #37
LittleGirl Nov 23 #42
Polybius Nov 23 #40
betsuni Nov 23 #4
ismnotwasm Nov 23 #27
vercetti2021 Nov 23 #6
NullTuples Nov 23 #43
IronLionZion Nov 23 #7
tulipsandroses Nov 23 #8
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 23 #9
Mortos Nov 23 #14
Ilsa Nov 23 #54
Yonnie3 Nov 23 #55
Paladin Nov 23 #10
bronxiteforever Nov 23 #11
AngryOldDem Nov 23 #13
Paladin Nov 23 #17
NullTuples Nov 23 #44
The Grand Illuminist Nov 23 #49
area51 Nov 23 #38
Earth Bound Misfit Nov 23 #12
grantcart Nov 23 #58
IronLionZion Nov 23 #15
RevBrotherThomas Nov 23 #18
IronLionZion Nov 23 #21
Mawspam2 Nov 23 #16
Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 23 #19
The Grand Illuminist Nov 23 #50
Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 23 #20
Jose Garcia Nov 23 #28
intheflow Nov 23 #23
Beastly Boy Nov 23 #24
70sEraVet Nov 23 #25
sdfernando Nov 23 #34
Bayard Nov 23 #35
Mz Pip Nov 23 #47
Igel Nov 23 #56
sakabatou Nov 23 #48
Temeret Nov 23 #53
yourmovemonkey Nov 23 #57
AZLD4Candidate Nov 23 #59
LudwigPastorius Nov 23 #60
muriel_volestrangler Nov 24 #62
Maeve Nov 23 #61
Marthe48 Nov 25 #65
stollen Nov 25 #66
Takket Nov 25 #67

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 05:17 AM

1. sigh...

I don't know what to say. for the victims.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 01:57 PM

52. It's called "shooting the moon" in defense jargon ... e.g. bullshit and ploy

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 05:53 AM

2. Of course

Who would hate so much? One of their own who hates they self.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 06:16 AM

3. "One of their own."???

WTH is this?

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 06:43 AM

5. They hate themselves because of culture wars

That’s what I meant. Sorry you misunderstood me.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:00 AM

26. "They" hate themselves? Um, not this gay woman.

I’ve been gay my entire life, and I’ve never “hated myself” nor known anyone who did.

And I came out long before it was accepted. As did most of my friends.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:06 AM

30. Was I referring to you?

No, I was referring to the gunman who is barely old enough to know what life is like.
He probably hates himself because he’s been raised in a “conservative” echo chamber.
If he considers himself as non binary, then he is already not someone who thinks he can conform. I’m just babbling now. My comment wasn’t meant to offend anyone.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:16 AM

31. The shooter's sexual identity likely had zip-all to do with his violent act.

Believe you me, if gay and transgender people felt the need to kill others because of our toxic culture, there’d be a lot more dead people.

Not sure how many mass killers have been gay or transgender, but I’m guessing they're not in the majority.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:29 AM

32. I'm so sorry that this turned so badly

Murderers seem to be young men with identity issues, untreated mental health, which is typically American! No other country in the world has mass shootings like this. I’m wanting to move back to the states but no where is safe anymore and it’s really dragging me down. I want to come home. We have to get those weapons of war off the streets!

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:49 AM

33. exactly, and the RW is going to stress the 'non-binary' and scream once again "it's not the assault

weapons!"

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Response to certainot (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:43 PM

41. We all know it IS the assault weapons. nt

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:57 PM

45. turn on any rw radio station and you'll hear all the blowhards and all their callers, some of which

might be calling from the NRA basement, and they will be explaining and rationalizing that it is not the gun, it's the shooter. they're all well trained to do it after every mass shooting in between the "hunter biden" and "liberal deep state" BS

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Response to certainot (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:58 PM

46. thankfully, I don't live in the states so I'll take a pass. nt

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 01:55 PM

51. funny thing, some of the louder stations reach canada and mexico. it's part of the plan that

the blowhard liars on rw radio can be heard south of the border telling everyone that dem presidents like biden have opened the borders, help immigrants get derivers licenses and welfare and jobs and then help them vote illegally........ how much does that add to the 'caravans' that they then use to scare republicans into voting for racists and their walls

fox tv sends that message of open borders all over the world

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 11:03 AM

64. No, We Don't

ALL know it’s the assault weapons. I, for one, think assault weapons are one piece of a fairly large pie.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:08 AM

22. This is more than likely

a BS RW approach. The spin here is obvious.

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Response to llashram (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:15 PM

39. that's what 1500 radio stations always do, while they comfort the NRA and make sure no GOP pol

can possibly sign on to any assault weapons ban, while explaining it as it's all about the shooter..... and then coming up with some way to call them 'liberal'

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:57 AM

37. Delete this & quickly.

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Response to irisblue (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:44 PM

42. why?

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:33 PM

40. He was very self-hating

Similar to how Clarence Thomas is.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 06:20 AM

4. So what.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:00 AM

27. Exactly my thought

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 06:56 AM

6. I don't give a shit

They are a murdered. Why do I gotta a feeling they are using that as a cop out to say. HEY LOOK THEY KILL EACH OTHER TOO! LOOK SEE SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:52 PM

43. It matters much, if the lawyer's ploy successfully negates the hate crime charges with the jury


And I have a feeling that's what this is. Why else would that be the very first announcement from his attorney?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 07:25 AM

7. There's no excuse for this mass murder

he's a hateful POS with a gun and a history of violence.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 07:25 AM

8. Interesting. There are 5 biased crime charges

Had to be some evidence of hate towards the LGBTQ community. Jessica Watkins is a trans insurrectionist. Jessica blames now blames Alex Jones for her becoming a traitor. She said hating herself made her want to listen Jones.
Anything is possible, I don’t think that defense is going to work for Jessica and it won’t work for this killer. At the end of the day, 5 people are dead, numerous still recovering from gun shot wounds. The emotional wounds will be there for a lifetime.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 07:36 AM

9. Perhaps "they" are actually binary & just trolling court & us. Anything show up in background yet?

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 08:45 AM

14. My first thought a defense strategy or the murderer trolling victims

I will be anxiously awaiting any pre-mass-murder evidence that Aldrich was non-binary. The pronouns I will use for Aldrich are coward, murderer, and ass.

The right-wing media will eat this up.

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Response to Mortos (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 02:40 PM

54. Exactly. I'll believe that lawyer's commeehen I see proof

that they thought of themselves as nonbinary.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 02:44 PM

55. Here is something I'm reading

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/11/club-q-shooter-used-anti-gay-slurs-frequently-attack-lgbtq-bar/

I have no confirmation and have not yet sought other sources.
Club Q shooter used anti-gay slurs frequently before attack on LGBTQ bar
"He used the term 'fa***t' a lot," a neighbor said. "Most of the time it came from a place of anger.”
By Alex Bollinger Tuesday, November 22, 2022

People who knew Anderson Lee Aldrich – the alleged Club Q shooter who has been arrested in connection with the mass shooting at the LGBTQ bar that left five people dead – say that he frequently used anti-gay slurs.

Twenty-two-year-old Aldrich has been arrested and charged with five counts of murder and five hate crimes charges in connection to the shooting at Club Q in Colorado Springs, Colorado this past Saturday night. Xavier Kraus, 23, said that he used to be friends with Aldrich and they lived in the same building near the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs.

“There would be times where he and his mom would get into fights, arguments, because he would be saying hateful things about whoever he was angry with,” Kraus told The Daily Beast. “He said things sometimes that probably should have been alarming to me. He used the term ‘fa***t’ a lot. Most of the time it came from a place of anger.”

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 07:36 AM

10. Sounds like a bullshit defense move to me.

And a slap in the face to genuinely nonbinary individuals.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 07:48 AM

11. +1 exactly. A footnote in a defense attorney motion

I imagine the hate crime charge is something the killer’s team would like to get tossed out.
I will wait for the arrest warrant to be unsealed and see what the investigation reveals.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 08:15 AM

13. It's outrageous.

Let’s say he truly is nonbinary. If he has personal issues with his identity, that’s still NO defense to walking into a bar and killing five people.

I realize attorneys have to do their jobs. But trying to claim that because he in some way identifies with the clientele is a mitigating factor? If I were on his jury and I heard that, my objectivity would be GONE. Vote to convict.

(I hope this excuse is a pretty high bar to clear for any mental health evaluation, too.)

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 09:28 AM

17. Well said. (nt)

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:54 PM

44. It's not a defense for shooting them, only to negate the hate crime charges

Interesting that it was the first thing the lawyer said to the press about his client...

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Response to NullTuples (Reply #44)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 01:46 PM

49. BAM! Right there.

Exactly what it is.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:12 PM

38. +1 n/t

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 08:06 AM

12. Sounds like a horse-hockey defense maneuver

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Response to Earth Bound Misfit (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 08:14 PM

58. So their are homophobic binaries? BS regardless of pronouns

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 08:49 AM

15. He might lose some conservative supporters

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 09:35 AM

18. Oh I disagree...

The right is going to hook onto this wholeheartedly:

"SEE WHAT THIS 'TRANSGENDER' NONSENSE DOES TO SOMEONE???? Turns you into a mass murderer!!!"

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Response to RevBrotherThomas (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:06 AM

21. I really despise that narrative

Too many on the right claim mental illness is the excuse for mass murder. Then they claim that LGBTQ, Feminists, and anyone else they don't like are all mentally ill and therefore dangerous.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 08:52 AM

16. Said a Public Defender who never met their client.

It's a BS filing.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 09:53 AM

19. Prob maneuver to avoid hate-crime add-on to the charges

Trying to say he is just screwed up, not acting out of "hate" for LGBTQ

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Response to Kashkakat v.2.0 (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 01:48 PM

50. He knows he is facing the death penalty.

nt

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 09:59 AM

20. Is there previous evidence that Aldrich identified as non-binary,

or did Aldrich decide to identify as non-binary when Aldrich's attorneys told Aldrich to identify as non-binary, while Aldrich was sitting in jail?

The attorneys could try to use this as a point to argue that the shooting was not a hate crime.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:00 AM

28. That is the million dollar question

Their lack of presence on social media is odd, especially for a young person.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:23 AM

23. Like that excuses his behavior?

This reeks of gun-humping claims of "black on black crime".

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:44 AM

24. Pronouns don't kill people. People with guns kill people.

Last edited Wed Nov 23, 2022, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Whether Aldrich is binary or not has no relevance to the crime. No doubt that this footnote was added to generate publicity, which it did, and has no legal merit. I would expect such stunts to come from tabloid media, but coming from lawyers makes me question their competence. And if it turns out that their statement is not true, they are in deep trouble.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:48 AM

25. A defense attorney is obligated to do everything in their power to defend their client.

And if somebody CLAIMS to be non-binary, how, exactly, do you prove otherwise?
My guess is, Mx. Aldrich never thought of being non-binary until 'their' defense attorney suggested it.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:53 AM

34. I'm going to need a hell of a lot more than a footnote on his lawyers filing....

I call BS. Likely a way to possibly influence proceeding and jurors.

I'll retract if proven wrong.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:56 AM

35. Say what?

I had never heard that term before.

It doesn't matter. He shot 23 people. No excuse.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 01:01 PM

47. Interesting

I’m not saying this isn’t true but I’d want more corroboration than just the word of a defense attorney.

I can easily see the shooter saying this to not only muddy the waters but to further sully the LGBTQ community.

Mz Pip

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 06:09 PM

56. If he's wrong, as an officer of the court defense misrepresenting facts to the court.

That can be serious. You don't make claims you know are false if you want to continue to practice at the bar.

Only out: His client told him something and that "something" wasn't subject to disconfirmation, so the defense attorney was in the dark.

Think of it as "under oath". That matter's sometimes. "He said it, but it wasn't under oath!" Defense has obligations to be truthful, to the best of their ability.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 01:29 PM

48. And yet, Anderson still murdered people.

What does Anderson's orientation have to do with this?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 02:33 PM

53. Lawyer trying to dodge hate crime charge

slick.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 06:20 PM

57. He's mocking his victims

As if we didn't need more reason to despise this deranged little shit. He's probably chuckling to himself about forcing the court to refer to him this way. Think about how despicable a person would have to be, lying in a hospital bed facing the death penalty, and still thinking of a way to "own the libs". I'm sure he's fantasizing about how conflicted we are now with feelings of sympathy over his "struggle".

Screw this little psychopath. I'm not buying it one bit.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 09:18 PM

59. Dude committed a mass shooting. Nonbianary, demisexual, asexual, don't care. People are dead because

of him.

Nuff said.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:47 PM

60. Well, they got their ass kicked.

Good job, Club Q heroes and heroines.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 09:42 AM

62. Sporting a beard and mustache is an odd way of being nonbinary

to my way of thinking. Is that politically incorrect?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:58 PM

61. If there is any previous example of their use of they/them, fine

If there is not, the whiff of BS is strong

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 11:13 AM

65. So has no courage of his convictions

Does the little bastard think declaring he is nonbinary will get him out the hate crimes charges (if they are/have been brought)

His family is into generationl hate of gays. The killer probably has daddy and granddaddy issues and thought his murderous attack would fix whatever lack he lives in.



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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 12:27 PM

66. and therefore.....what?

I don't care what someone's sexual identity is as long as no one is being hurt.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 09:29 PM

67. Thry can rot in hell, then

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