US, Russia hold highest-level talks since Ukraine invasion
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Source: AP
NEW DELHI (AP) U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov talked briefly Thursday in the highest-level in-person talks between the two countries since Russias invasion of Ukraine. But there was no indication of any movement toward easing the intense tensions between their two nations.
The short encounter came as relations between Washington and Moscow have plummeted over Russias war with Ukraine and tensions have soared amid a myriad of disagreements, complaints and recriminations on other matters ranging from arms control to embassy staffing and prisoners.
U.S. officials said Blinken and Lavrov chatted for roughly 10 minutes on the sidelines of the G-20 conference of foreign ministers in New Delhi. But there was no sign of any progress and the conference itself ended with the grouping unable to reach consensus on the Ukraine war.
Still, with relations at perhaps their lowest point since the Cuban Missile Crisis during the Cold War, the mere fact that the two men met showed that, at least for the moment, lines of high-level communication between Washington and Moscow remains open. At a news conference, Blinken said he told Lavrov that the U.S. would continue to support Ukraine for as long as it takes and would push for the war to end through diplomatic terms that Kyiv agrees to.
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NEW DELHI (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov talked briefly Thursday at a meeting of top diplomats from the Group of 20 nations in the highest-level in-person talks between the two countries since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
The short encounter came as relations between Washington and Moscow have plummeted over Russia's war with Ukraine and tensions have soared amid a myriad of disagreements, complaints and recriminations on other matters ranging from arms control to embassy staffing and prisoners.
U.S. officials said Blinken and Lavrov chatted for roughly 10 minutes on the sidelines of the G-20 conference of foreign ministers in New Delhi. But there was no sign of any progress and the conference itself ended with the grouping unable to reach consensus on the Ukraine war.
A senior U.S. official said Blinken used the discussion to make three points to Lavrov: that the U.S. would support Ukraine in the conflict for "as long as it takes" to bring the war to an end, that Russia should reverse its decision to suspend its participation in the New START nuclear treaty and that Moscow should release detained American Paul Whelan. The official, who spoke to reporters on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation, said Blinken had "disabused" Lavrov of any idea Russia might have that U.S. support for Ukraine is wavering.
NEW DELHI (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov met briefly Thursday at a meeting of top diplomats from the Group of 20 nations in the first high-level meeting in months between the two countries.
U.S. officials said Blinken and Lavrov chatted for roughly 10 minutes on the sidelines of the G-20 conference in New Delhi. The short encounter came as relations between Washington and Moscow have plummeted while tensions over Russia's war with Ukraine have soared.
A senior U.S. official said Blinken used the discussion to make three points to Lavrov: that the U.S. would support Ukraine in the conflict for as long as it takes to bring the war to an end, that Russia should reverse its decision to suspend participation in the New START nuclear treaty and that Moscow should release detained American Paul Whelan.
The official, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation, said Blinken had "disabused" Lavrov of any idea they might have that U.S. support for Ukraine is wavering. The official declined to characterize Lavrov's response but said Blinken did not get the impression that there would be any change in Russia's behavior in the near term.
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U.S. officials said Blinken and Lavrov chatted for roughly 10 minutes on the sidelines of the G-20 conference in New Delhi. The short encounter comes as relations between Washington and Moscow have plummeted while tensions over Russia's war with Ukraine have soared.
A senior U.S. official said Blinken used the discussion to make three points to Lavrov: that the U.S. would support Ukraine in the conflict for as long as it takes to bring the war to an end, that Russia should reverse its decision to suspend participation in the New START nuclear treaty and that Moscow should release detained American Paul Whelan.
The official, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation, declined to characterize Lavrov's response but said Blinken did not get the impression that there would be any change in Russia's behavior in the near term.
hlthe2b
(102,234 posts)I think the latter is a lot more difficult. My body language would be projecting disdain for Lavrov for miles and miles.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)would seem to indicate lessened tensions. These are the countries top diplomats, right?
Maybe discussing the outline of the China peace plan opening gambit?
Meet some more, talk some kind of end to the carnage!
orangecrush
(19,545 posts)Kills half your family, barricades themself in a couple of rooms to launch more attacks on your family, and you're expected to negotiate with them how much of your house they get to keep.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)orangecrush
(19,545 posts)The analogy holds.
maxsolomon
(33,321 posts)They were booted out of the G8, weren't they?
BumRushDaShow
(128,897 posts)everyone is stuck with them in one of the world economic orgs.
maxsolomon
(33,321 posts)Last year there was a lot of condemnation for Rusher at the G20 and Putin declined to attend.
This year, bupkis. So far.
BumRushDaShow
(128,897 posts)(although it was a relatively "new" entity that came about after the fall of the USSR in the late '90s) and you just had the G7.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,897 posts)U.S., U.K., & France, although Canada, itself a Commonwealth of the UK & France, has their "territories" that are quasi-colonial in a sense.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)History dont lie, though only the war victors write it sometimes. Also Portugal, Spain, Hungary even, they all in on the raping of the non white world.
BumRushDaShow
(128,897 posts)but THAT was "in the past" when there was no "G7". My reply was about the G7 vs the G8.
In the PRESENT you still have a handful who are members of the G7 who are colonial powers.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)France still enslaves a dozen nations with the franc currency and how many far flung islands do the colonists still own? America is probably second after Europe.
All are colonial powers in G8, or G7, and still are
Except Canada. Even then, colonialism was rampant inside Canada
ofc that is in the past and should be forgotten?! No.
BumRushDaShow
(128,897 posts)So I will repeat it and BOLD it this time.
U.S., U.K., & France, although Canada, itself a Commonwealth of the UK & France, has their "territories" that are quasi-colonial in a sense.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)https://classroom.synonym.com/countries-still-colonies-8621872.html
https://italicsmag.com/2021/06/14/italy-and-the-denial-of-its-colonial-past/
I could go on, theres a lot of documentation and a lot of anger still in the former colonies, and current colonies not to mention thousands of precious artifacts stolen, not yet returned.
BumRushDaShow
(128,897 posts)The EU has 27 countries but they are not "enumerated" in terms of being considered an active part of the G7 - either as a single entity or as the individual countries although they have some sway. We know that a bunch of EU countries like the Netherlands (e.g., Antilles), Portugal (e.g., Azores), Spain (e.g., Canary Islands), etc., still have close-by or far flung territories.
But INDIVIDUALLY they are NOT part of the "G7".
Here is the GDP of those in the G7 alongside everyone else -
No one is arguing that colonization hasn't destroyed much of this world's societies - even going back before that so-called "colonial era" with the "empires". And the "partitioning" of the continent of Africa after WW1 made things worse.
But the entire point of this subthread was a result of a poster asking why Russia was still in the G20 and I mentioned why (and also included how the G8 eventually went away when Russia was booted from it) - Europe (through the EU) bet the farm for their energy needs with Russia and lost.