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BumRushDaShow

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Thu Mar 2, 2023, 07:41 AM Mar 2023

US, Russia hold highest-level talks since Ukraine invasion

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Source: AP

NEW DELHI (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov talked briefly Thursday in the highest-level in-person talks between the two countries since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But there was no indication of any movement toward easing the intense tensions between their two nations.

The short encounter came as relations between Washington and Moscow have plummeted over Russia’s war with Ukraine and tensions have soared amid a myriad of disagreements, complaints and recriminations on other matters ranging from arms control to embassy staffing and prisoners.

U.S. officials said Blinken and Lavrov chatted for roughly 10 minutes on the sidelines of the G-20 conference of foreign ministers in New Delhi. But there was no sign of any progress and the conference itself ended with the grouping unable to reach consensus on the Ukraine war.

Still, with relations at perhaps their lowest point since the Cuban Missile Crisis during the Cold War, the mere fact that the two men met showed that, at least for the moment, lines of high-level communication between Washington and Moscow remains open. At a news conference, Blinken said he told Lavrov that the U.S. would continue to support Ukraine for as long as it takes and would push for the war to end through diplomatic terms that Kyiv agrees to.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/us-russia-ukraine-g20-blinken-lavrov-1af60a2c2918e9c0777b33b3e71bd54b



Short article at post time. Article updated.

Previous articles/headlines -

US, Russia FMs talk briefly at G-20 with relations at a low

NEW DELHI (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov talked briefly Thursday at a meeting of top diplomats from the Group of 20 nations in the highest-level in-person talks between the two countries since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The short encounter came as relations between Washington and Moscow have plummeted over Russia's war with Ukraine and tensions have soared amid a myriad of disagreements, complaints and recriminations on other matters ranging from arms control to embassy staffing and prisoners.

U.S. officials said Blinken and Lavrov chatted for roughly 10 minutes on the sidelines of the G-20 conference of foreign ministers in New Delhi. But there was no sign of any progress and the conference itself ended with the grouping unable to reach consensus on the Ukraine war.

A senior U.S. official said Blinken used the discussion to make three points to Lavrov: that the U.S. would support Ukraine in the conflict for "as long as it takes" to bring the war to an end, that Russia should reverse its decision to suspend its participation in the New START nuclear treaty and that Moscow should release detained American Paul Whelan. The official, who spoke to reporters on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation, said Blinken had "disabused" Lavrov of any idea Russia might have that U.S. support for Ukraine is wavering.



Blinken, Lavrov meet briefly as US-Russia tensions soar

NEW DELHI (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov met briefly Thursday at a meeting of top diplomats from the Group of 20 nations in the first high-level meeting in months between the two countries.

U.S. officials said Blinken and Lavrov chatted for roughly 10 minutes on the sidelines of the G-20 conference in New Delhi. The short encounter came as relations between Washington and Moscow have plummeted while tensions over Russia's war with Ukraine have soared.

A senior U.S. official said Blinken used the discussion to make three points to Lavrov: that the U.S. would support Ukraine in the conflict for as long as it takes to bring the war to an end, that Russia should reverse its decision to suspend participation in the New START nuclear treaty and that Moscow should release detained American Paul Whelan.

The official, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation, said Blinken had "disabused" Lavrov of any idea they might have that U.S. support for Ukraine is wavering. The official declined to characterize Lavrov's response but said Blinken did not get the impression that there would be any change in Russia's behavior in the near term.


Original article -

NEW DELHI (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov spoke briefly Thursday at a meeting of top diplomats from the Group of 20 nations in the first high-level meeting in months between the two countries.

U.S. officials said Blinken and Lavrov chatted for roughly 10 minutes on the sidelines of the G-20 conference in New Delhi. The short encounter comes as relations between Washington and Moscow have plummeted while tensions over Russia's war with Ukraine have soared.

A senior U.S. official said Blinken used the discussion to make three points to Lavrov: that the U.S. would support Ukraine in the conflict for as long as it takes to bring the war to an end, that Russia should reverse its decision to suspend participation in the New START nuclear treaty and that Moscow should release detained American Paul Whelan.

The official, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation, declined to characterize Lavrov's response but said Blinken did not get the impression that there would be any change in Russia's behavior in the near term.
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US, Russia hold highest-level talks since Ukraine invasion (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 OP
A good diplomate in times of war have to have spines of steel, yet able to shelve anger... hlthe2b Mar 2023 #1
The AP headline is awesomely contradictory. Meeting for the first time since Putin's War...?... Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #2
Someone breaks into your home orangecrush Mar 2023 #7
It's not Americas house is where the analogy fails, in part. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #8
My friends house orangecrush Mar 2023 #9
Why is Russia still in the G20? maxsolomon Mar 2023 #3
As long as Europe is still dependent on them for LNG and oil until they find alternatives BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #4
They got the boot from the G8 after annexing Crimea. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #5
Well yeah - the "G8" was basically dissolved BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #6
Except for Canada...all colonial powers, still doing the colonial thing. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #10
Only 3 "colonial powers" in the (enumerated) G7 still have "colonies" (Commonwealths) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #11
Italy and Germany were enslaving nations in Africa...historical fact! Not making that up! Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #12
All of them did so in the past BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #13
If anyone thinks the colonial powers have given up colonizing are not paying attention! Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #14
I think you missed what I wrote BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #15
Here's a full list. Amazing isn't it...even Denmark and Netherlands. The colonists still cling. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #16
Again - let me emphasize once more what I posted which is why I posted it that way BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #17

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
1. A good diplomate in times of war have to have spines of steel, yet able to shelve anger...
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 07:47 AM
Mar 2023

I think the latter is a lot more difficult. My body language would be projecting disdain for Lavrov for miles and miles.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
2. The AP headline is awesomely contradictory. Meeting for the first time since Putin's War...?...
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:40 AM
Mar 2023

would seem to indicate lessened tensions. These are the countries top diplomats, right?

Maybe discussing the outline of the China peace plan opening gambit?

Meet some more, talk some kind of end to the carnage!

orangecrush

(19,545 posts)
7. Someone breaks into your home
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 06:57 PM
Mar 2023


Kills half your family, barricades themself in a couple of rooms to launch more attacks on your family, and you're expected to negotiate with them how much of your house they get to keep.

BumRushDaShow

(128,897 posts)
4. As long as Europe is still dependent on them for LNG and oil until they find alternatives
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 02:47 PM
Mar 2023

everyone is stuck with them in one of the world economic orgs.

maxsolomon

(33,321 posts)
5. They got the boot from the G8 after annexing Crimea.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 03:12 PM
Mar 2023

Last year there was a lot of condemnation for Rusher at the G20 and Putin declined to attend.

This year, bupkis. So far.

BumRushDaShow

(128,897 posts)
6. Well yeah - the "G8" was basically dissolved
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 03:26 PM
Mar 2023

(although it was a relatively "new" entity that came about after the fall of the USSR in the late '90s) and you just had the G7.

BumRushDaShow

(128,897 posts)
11. Only 3 "colonial powers" in the (enumerated) G7 still have "colonies" (Commonwealths)
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 08:45 AM
Mar 2023

U.S., U.K., & France, although Canada, itself a Commonwealth of the UK & France, has their "territories" that are quasi-colonial in a sense.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
12. Italy and Germany were enslaving nations in Africa...historical fact! Not making that up!
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 09:01 AM
Mar 2023

History don’t lie, though only the war victors write it sometimes. Also Portugal, Spain, Hungary even, they all in on the raping of the non white world.

BumRushDaShow

(128,897 posts)
13. All of them did so in the past
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 09:04 AM
Mar 2023

but THAT was "in the past" when there was no "G7". My reply was about the G7 vs the G8.

In the PRESENT you still have a handful who are members of the G7 who are colonial powers.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
14. If anyone thinks the colonial powers have given up colonizing are not paying attention!
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 07:20 PM
Mar 2023

France still enslaves a dozen nations with the franc currency and how many far flung islands do the colonists still own? America is probably second after Europe.

All are colonial powers in G8, or G7, and still are…Except Canada. Even then, colonialism was rampant inside Canada…ofc that is in the past and should be forgotten?! No.

BumRushDaShow

(128,897 posts)
15. I think you missed what I wrote
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 07:28 PM
Mar 2023

So I will repeat it and BOLD it this time.

Only 3 "colonial powers" in the (enumerated) G7 still have "colonies" (Commonwealths)

U.S., U.K., & France, although Canada, itself a Commonwealth of the UK & France, has their "territories" that are quasi-colonial in a sense.
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
16. Here's a full list. Amazing isn't it...even Denmark and Netherlands. The colonists still cling.
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 07:37 PM
Mar 2023
https://www.dw.com/en/europes-overseas-territories-what-you-need-to-know/a-46145298

https://classroom.synonym.com/countries-still-colonies-8621872.html

https://italicsmag.com/2021/06/14/italy-and-the-denial-of-its-colonial-past/

I could go on, there’s a lot of documentation…and a lot of anger still in the former colonies, and current colonies…not to mention thousands of precious artifacts stolen, not yet returned.

BumRushDaShow

(128,897 posts)
17. Again - let me emphasize once more what I posted which is why I posted it that way
Sun Mar 5, 2023, 08:28 PM
Mar 2023
in the (enumerated) G7


The EU has 27 countries but they are not "enumerated" in terms of being considered an active part of the G7 - either as a single entity or as the individual countries although they have some sway. We know that a bunch of EU countries like the Netherlands (e.g., Antilles), Portugal (e.g., Azores), Spain (e.g., Canary Islands), etc., still have close-by or far flung territories.

But INDIVIDUALLY they are NOT part of the "G7".

Here is the GDP of those in the G7 alongside everyone else -



No one is arguing that colonization hasn't destroyed much of this world's societies - even going back before that so-called "colonial era" with the "empires". And the "partitioning" of the continent of Africa after WW1 made things worse.

But the entire point of this subthread was a result of a poster asking why Russia was still in the G20 and I mentioned why (and also included how the G8 eventually went away when Russia was booted from it) - Europe (through the EU) bet the farm for their energy needs with Russia and lost.
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