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groundloop

(11,513 posts)
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:20 AM Mar 2023

4-year-old shot and killed by 3-year-old in Houston, sheriff says

Source: ABC News

A 3-year-old in Houston, Texas, gained access to a firearm and "unintentionally" shot and killed a 4-year-old, Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said.

Gonzalez said the preliminary investigation showed that the two children had been inside an apartment on Bammel North Houston Road. with one other person.

"The toddler was pronounced deceased at the scene," he said on Twitter.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/4-year-shot-killed-3-year-houston-sheriff/story?id=97819873




But at least that three year old's 2A rights weren't infringed upon. And oh, I almost forgot the thoughts and prayers.

This is absolutely sickening.
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4-year-old shot and killed by 3-year-old in Houston, sheriff says (Original Post) groundloop Mar 2023 OP
Dear Mr, Sheriff: When does any 3 yo form the intent to kill? The Gun always does. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #1
Gun humpers ALWAYS manage to explain away deaths as not directly being the fault of the gun...... groundloop Mar 2023 #4
A Twin Tower equivalent of child deaths and injuries per year, but The Gun is a Sacred Cow. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #5
in your understandable disgust, let's not go overboard re America... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #31
NEXT: Texas lawmaker proposes gun safety training for 3-year-olds dalton99a Mar 2023 #2
"If the 4-year old had armed himself he'd have been fine." - G.O.P. Gun Humpers Achilleaze Mar 2023 #3
Yeah, the only thing that can stop a bad 3-y-o with a gun is a good 4-y-o etc.... n/t TygrBright Mar 2023 #7
Yea right, guns don't kill toddlers, babies do. nt Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #14
Repeal the 2nd and shut up about drag shows The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #6
I trust the "one other person" is in custody, facing serious charges . . . Journeyman Mar 2023 #8
Until parents face felony charges for not locking up their guns, nothing will change. Lonestarblue Mar 2023 #9
See this post billh58 Mar 2023 #10
It's shocking that a 3-year old would have the hand strength to Texin Mar 2023 #11
Tide pods are locked up behind the counter in the store Walleye Mar 2023 #21
✔️+++++++++ ♾️ live love laugh Mar 2023 #25
send. the. parents. to. prison. Roc2020 Mar 2023 #12
Such a senseless tragedy. LoisB Mar 2023 #13
if there are never prosecutions barbtries Mar 2023 #15
So many of these are called "tragic accidents" and then dismissed. Kaleva Mar 2023 #17
exactly. barbtries Mar 2023 #19
Justice Antonin Scalia and others are responsible Walleye Mar 2023 #22
Oh, but don't you know that the parents are already suffering Ilsa Mar 2023 #20
yes. barbtries Mar 2023 #24
ITA. They need to live with their grief and remorse, (if they have any) Ilsa Mar 2023 #38
a loaded gun within reach of a toddler vlyons Mar 2023 #16
Firearms are now the leading cause of death for children Kaleva Mar 2023 #18
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Mar 2023 #23
Control the people who idiotically think guns shouldn't be regulated. live love laugh Mar 2023 #26
I always like seeing your response to these horrible shootings that Ilsa Mar 2023 #39
Is there any age limit to who can have a gun and carry openly in Texas ? republianmushroom Mar 2023 #27
Well thank god the gun wasn't harmed Warpy Mar 2023 #28
You know, at some point, the parents will have to start being held accountable tornado34jh Mar 2023 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author raccoon Mar 2023 #32
It is obviously Gods will that children shoot each other indiscriminately Amen ZonkerHarris Mar 2023 #34
It is why we can't have nice things tornado34jh Mar 2023 #35
Nothing will change. This will happen over and over. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #30
Alex, I'll take "What will never happen in my house" for $1,000. aeromanKC Mar 2023 #33
Dated John Oliver joke. The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #36
More proof of how guns keep us safe IronLionZion Mar 2023 #37
A Few Good Toddlers Plainsman1 Mar 2023 #40
How are parents so lax that they leave a loaded gun in (relatively) easy reach of a child & toddler electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #41
Texas doesn't learn Xandric Mar 2023 #42
Good (young) guys Chrisdutch Mar 2023 #43
America has a psychotic relationship with firearms liberalmediaaddict Mar 2023 #44
guns don't kill, people do Skittles Mar 2023 #45
And, just like that.. the little Cha Mar 2023 #46
And the band plays on..... Bayard Mar 2023 #47
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
1. Dear Mr, Sheriff: When does any 3 yo form the intent to kill? The Gun always does.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:24 AM
Mar 2023

Don’t talk only about the innocent victims of The Gun, talk about the blood drenched Guns in America, 400 million strong!

groundloop

(11,513 posts)
4. Gun humpers ALWAYS manage to explain away deaths as not directly being the fault of the gun......
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:32 AM
Mar 2023

Fuck them and fuck their guns. Firearms are the number 1 cause of death of children in the US, THAT alone should be a wake up call that it's well past time to fucking do something.
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
5. A Twin Tower equivalent of child deaths and injuries per year, but The Gun is a Sacred Cow.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:35 AM
Mar 2023

Nothing says National Failure and Disgrace than Gun Deaths in America.

The Rest of The World does not look to America for anything anymore other than their own free military protection, and a place to launder money.

electric_blue68

(14,814 posts)
31. in your understandable disgust, let's not go overboard re America...
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:14 PM
Mar 2023

troubled as we are esp these past 8 yrs.


And who leaves a loaded gun around toddlers & young kids!

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
3. "If the 4-year old had armed himself he'd have been fine." - G.O.P. Gun Humpers
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:30 AM
Mar 2023

This is the Republican plan for the future:

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
6. Repeal the 2nd and shut up about drag shows
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:40 AM
Mar 2023

Ban child beauty pageants.
Arrest CEOs who hire Children.
Outlaw 11 year old children from getting married.
Yes rape is a reason to get an abortion.

Texin

(2,590 posts)
11. It's shocking that a 3-year old would have the hand strength to
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 10:34 AM
Mar 2023

actually pull the trigger. It's yet another reason to tighten up on guns altogether, and especially the semi-automatic and automatic ones in circulation. Anyone who's got toddlers or children in the house need to rethink ownership of them, or at a bare minimum, keep them locked up with the key in their close possession.

barbtries

(28,758 posts)
15. if there are never prosecutions
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:02 AM
Mar 2023

for the adults in charge...oh never mind. even if there are, guns matter more than people in this country. it is perverted.

barbtries

(28,758 posts)
19. exactly.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:28 AM
Mar 2023

but there's a so-called adult who is responsible for this child's death. it just sickens me.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
20. Oh, but don't you know that the parents are already suffering
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:36 AM
Mar 2023

from their child's death. Which they caused/contributed to.

barbtries

(28,758 posts)
24. yes.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:57 AM
Mar 2023

and they'll have to live with that...

live it in prison. seems to me that guns have become so ubiquitous that people forget they're deadly weapons. until something like this happens, then they're so sorry. they're just so sorry. but there was no intent! aargh

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
38. ITA. They need to live with their grief and remorse, (if they have any)
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 04:56 PM
Mar 2023

in prison for the negligent death of their child.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
23. People Control, Not Gun Control
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:55 AM
Mar 2023

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
39. I always like seeing your response to these horrible shootings that
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 04:57 PM
Mar 2023

could have been prevented with common sense regulation.

republianmushroom

(13,454 posts)
27. Is there any age limit to who can have a gun and carry openly in Texas ?
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 12:37 PM
Mar 2023

Seems that they are starting them younger every day.

tornado34jh

(904 posts)
29. You know, at some point, the parents will have to start being held accountable
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:07 PM
Mar 2023

It should not be that easy for young kids to get access to firearms. The 2nd amendment is not an excuse to evade accountability.

Response to tornado34jh (Reply #29)

tornado34jh

(904 posts)
35. It is why we can't have nice things
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 03:20 PM
Mar 2023

People have had drivers licenses taken away for a lot less, and a vehicle can be potentially deadly as well. Perhaps we should do the same with guns. Both can be deadly if the person is not responsible, why should guns be any different?

maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
30. Nothing will change. This will happen over and over.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:14 PM
Mar 2023

It is the cost of freedom. Apparently.

Punishing the negligent parties will do little to nothing to deter others from negligence. They're uninformed, and that's a large part of why they're negligent.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
33. Alex, I'll take "What will never happen in my house" for $1,000.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:40 PM
Mar 2023

ZERO thoughts and prayers for those houses where this happens. ZERO!!

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
36. Dated John Oliver joke.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 03:27 PM
Mar 2023

"One failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty-one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulation of guns." -Daily Show correspondent John Oliver

How about this logic. I have a right to travel. I have a right to drink. So I have a right to drink and drive. I have a right to drink and drive and carry an AR. Snark

Plainsman1

(25 posts)
40. A Few Good Toddlers
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 05:41 PM
Mar 2023

Son, we live in a house that has rooms, and those rooms have to be guarded by toddlers with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, pre-teen sister? Gun owners have a greater responsibility than anyone can possibly fathom. You weep for a dead toddler, and you curse the gun. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that this toddler’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives; and the existence of guns, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want an open carry firearm -- you need a large capacity magazine.
Gun nuts use words like "Second Amendment," "protecting my family," "from my cold dead hands." Gun nuts use these words to hide a shriveled penis. Toddlers use them as something their mom’s drunken boyfriend says before smacking her.

Gun nuts have neither the time nor the inclination to explain themselves to the parent of a dead toddler who used to rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that their family’s gun provided and then questioned the manner in which one of their toddlers used it.

Gun nuts would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, they would just suggest you pick up your own AK47 and stand a post at the 7-11. Either way, they don't give a DAMN what some dead toddler was thinking about as that bullet went through his brain!

electric_blue68

(14,814 posts)
41. How are parents so lax that they leave a loaded gun in (relatively) easy reach of a child & toddler
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 06:00 PM
Mar 2023

Is a 3 yr old still considered a toddler?

Gun safety, anyone?

Chrisdutch

(70 posts)
43. Good (young) guys
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 07:00 PM
Mar 2023

Well, it takes a good three-year-old with a gun to stop a bad four-year-old without one.... right Wayne?

liberalmediaaddict

(766 posts)
44. America has a psychotic relationship with firearms
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 07:09 PM
Mar 2023

At this point it should be classified as a mental disorder in the DSM.

With the increased rate of murder and suicide in our country since the pandemic the Republicans view on guns is barbaric.

Bayard

(22,004 posts)
47. And the band plays on.....
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 12:20 AM
Mar 2023

Its not going to change as long as the demented fan clubs for people like MTG and Boebert keep the adulation going.

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