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BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 10:17 AM Mar 2023

Biden administration approves limited development of Alaska's Willow oil project

Source: Anchorage Daily News

The Biden administration on Monday approved a massive oil development project on Alaska’s North Slope, and said it is adding new environmental protections to limit future oil development in several areas of the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska. ConocoPhillips’ $8 billion Willow prospect in the Indiana-size reserve is expected to be one of the largest oil fields developed in Alaska in decades. It would produce oil for three decades, including 180,000 barrels of oil daily at its peak.

The administration approved three drill sites, which ConocoPhillips has said is economically viable. The approval is a reduction of the five drill sites that ConocoPhillips had originally sought, though the company said Monday that it’s pleased with the approval. The White House’s decision bucked intense pressure from environmental groups, which have called the project a “carbon bomb” and said it contradicts President Joe Biden’s goal of cutting greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2030.

Many Alaska Native leaders, politicians and business groups have lobbied intensely for approval of the field, saying it would provide badly needed revenues to support North Slope villages and help Alaska’s struggling economy — though the mayor of the Inupiaq village closest to the project had opposed it.



ConocoPhillips said Monday it expects to immediately begin building gravel roads to launch development. The company is also reviewing the 124-page decision from the Interior Department and internally will take steps toward making a final investment decision in the project.

Read more: https://www.adn.com/business-economy/energy/2023/03/13/biden-administration-approves-limited-development-of-alaskas-willow-oil-project/



Article updated.

Previous article -

The Biden administration on Monday approved a massive oil development project on Alaska's North Slope.

ConocoPhillips' $8 billion Willow prospect in the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska is expected to be one of the largest oil fields developed in Alaska in decades, and would produce oil for three decades, including 180,000 barrels of oil daily at its peak. The administration approved three drill sites, which the ConocoPhillips has said is economically viable.

The White House's decision bucked intense pressure from environmental groups, which have called the project a "carbon bomb" and said it contradicts President Joe Biden's goal of cutting greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2030.

Many Alaska Native leaders, politicians and business groups have lobbied intensely for approval of the massive oil field, saying it would provide badly needed revenues to support North Slope villages and help Alaska's struggling economy -- though the mayor the Inupiaq village closest to the project had opposed it.


Updated source.

Original article/headline/link -

Biden administration approves controversial Willow oil project in Alaska

CNN -- Breaking news:

The Biden administration has approved the massive Willow drilling project in Alaska, angering climate advocates and setting the stage for a court challenge.


This story will be updated.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/13/politics/willow-project-alaska-oil-biden-approval-climate/index.html
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Biden administration approves limited development of Alaska's Willow oil project (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 OP
bloomberg... orleans Mar 2023 #1
NYT re environmental impact... ancianita Mar 2023 #3
Well shit. Autumn Mar 2023 #2
Al Gore warns it would be 'recklessly irresponsible' to allow Alaska oil drilling plan Celerity Mar 2023 #17
He is correct G_j Mar 2023 #32
He's right. This negates everything Biden has done with climate change. Autumn Mar 2023 #35
We are not serious about our addiction to oil. Thunderbeast Mar 2023 #4
Thats due to our limited options atm for the power requirements we have here cstanleytech Mar 2023 #15
It is not our addiction to oil. former9thward Mar 2023 #37
Humans are too stupid to avert a catastrophe Mysterian Mar 2023 #60
I pity the later generations... DemocraticPatriot Mar 2023 #47
Great post. hamsterjill Mar 2023 #62
Drill baby drill inwiththenew Mar 2023 #5
Rome will burn, whether Nero accompanies or not. jaxexpat Mar 2023 #6
This decision truly saddens me. pazzyanne Mar 2023 #7
Why a Billion Crabs Have Suddenly Vanished From the Bering Sea Botany Mar 2023 #8
Not Joe Manchin BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #11
Methane Manchin orthoclad Mar 2023 #21
Well he advocates for fossil fuel use in his state for energy production BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #23
He's pushing for that "streamlined" process orthoclad Mar 2023 #24
That doesn't matter here BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #26
Manchin slams Biden's 'radical climate agenda' in delay of oil leasing Celerity Mar 2023 #34
The Alaska wells aren't "offshore" BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #36
Right. They're inland. ancianita Mar 2023 #38
With the last update to the OP, I actually grabbed and added a snapshot of the map to show the area BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #40
Right. Sorry, got caught up in the thread and missed your OP map. ancianita Mar 2023 #43
I know they are a bunch of hours difference from ET BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #45
This is good history. I knew the Alaska Reserve existed before Obama, and now you've ancianita Mar 2023 #48
+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #51
Wiping out farms of life, that help sustain man, is not the way forward, it cuts off a "hand'... MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #12
May reason rule! Botany Mar 2023 #14
Happy Monday y'all! Man's Reasoned Progress is Always at War with Malevolent Actors MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #18
So the media was right in last week's prediction on this one. Biden has some explaining to do Raven123 Mar 2023 #9
"I can imagine he is trying to calculate our need for fossil fuels and our need to be independent" BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #10
Blue Dog Member FredGarvin Mar 2023 #31
She is brand new BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #33
We're already gas & oil independent, and the #1 oil exporter on the planet. ancianita Mar 2023 #39
Yeah the "carve out" regions were announced ahead of this BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #42
"Bare minimum." That's exactly what Biden is doing. ancianita Mar 2023 #44
Here in PA, we have the Marcellus shale fields BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #46
Cool. Part of the shale revolution that made us energy independent, not dependent on ancianita Mar 2023 #49
We need to see the environmental impact statement, Bayard Mar 2023 #13
Rep. Mary Pelota (D, at-large AK) wrote an editorial last week BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #16
"We can't shoulder the burden of fixing global climate change alone." Bayard Mar 2023 #50
Most of the oil production is coming out of states like TX and the Gulf of Mexico BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #54
I had no idea either Bayard Mar 2023 #55
Thank you for that link! (again sorry to unload the below as a reply but I use for later reference) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #57
Thank you! betsuni Mar 2023 #52
The environmental impact of drilling and using oil is well known already. Magoo48 Mar 2023 #25
He's not talking out of both sides of his mouth. Here's what the AP reported ancianita Mar 2023 #41
A sellout orthoclad Mar 2023 #19
Can anyone tell this Democrat why Willow was approved when environmentalists Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #20
Follow the money orthoclad Mar 2023 #22
Because the Democrat who just got elected there for a full term this past November BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #27
Thanks, I guess that is as good an answer as any. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #28
I listened to what she had to say BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #29
Didn't realize it was her decision News Junkie Mar 2023 #59
She represents the state of AK as their at-large member of Congress BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #61
And Joe Biden represents the country News Junkie Mar 2023 #63
No it's way "off base" to distort what the background of this issue is BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #64
So much for his campaign promise of no new drilling on public lands ripcord Mar 2023 #30
This decision, in my opinion, blue-wave Mar 2023 #53
Biden had no leverage to ban Willow; negotiated a 40% reduction Justice Mar 2023 #56
This why I pointed out what environmentalists need to be focussing on BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #58

orleans

(34,040 posts)
1. bloomberg...
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 10:37 AM
Mar 2023


Biden Backs $8 Billion Alaska Oil Project Despite Climate Peril

Willow project in Alaska posed key climate test for Biden
Activists said ConocoPhillips project risks climate peril

President Joe Biden authorized a giant ConocoPhillips oil project in northwest Alaska that environmentalists argue has no place in a warming world, even as he sought to bar future drilling across US Arctic waters and lands.

The approach represents Biden’s bid for a middle ground, as he seeks to accelerate the transition away from fossil fuels while bound by the legal decisions of past administrations. ConocoPhillips has held some leases underpinning its 600-million-barrel Willow oil development since 1999, and the project was already approved once under former President Donald Trump.

With the Interior Department’s new authorization, the company now will be permitted to drill from three locations across its Willow site in the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska. ConocoPhillips, which originally sought to drill from five well pads at Willow, had said anything short of three would not be viable. But Biden’s conservation moves mean oil companies also will have far fewer opportunities to find and develop prospects north of the Arctic Circle.

The authorization represents one of the most significant climate decisions yet for Biden, who campaigned on a pledge to block new drilling on public lands and presided over sweeping government investments in clean energy. Yet he’s also implored oil companies to boost output to tame prices and address market disruptions spurred by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The Willow project created additional political challenges, as Biden faced intense pressure from unions and some indigenous groups in Alaska who argued the development would provide an economic lifeline to the region.

more at link

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-13/biden-backs-giant-alaska-oil-project-despite-climate-peril?srnd=premium-europe&leadSource=uverify%20wall


more on environmental impact in this article

edited to add:

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
3. NYT re environmental impact...
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 10:57 AM
Mar 2023
In a statement, the Interior Department said that the Trump administration decision complied with the environmental rules in place at the time and that the plaintiffs did not challenge the approval “within the time limitations associated with environmental review projects” for the National Petroleum Reserve.


More analysis

K
risten Miller, acting director of the Alaska Wilderness League, said the burning of oil produced by the Willow project over its lifetime would create nearly 260 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions — about the equivalent of what is produced by 66 coal-fired power plants. But, she argued, the infrastructure also will lead to new oil and gas projects in the region.

“Not only does the project in itself have significant and long-lasting climate problems, it’s setting the stage for more emissions in the future,” Ms. Miller said.

Mr. Biden has taken significant steps to limit oil and gas development in the United States. One of his first acts as president was to temporarily freeze new oil and gas leases on public lands and offshore waters. He also placed a temporary moratorium on oil and gas drilling in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, which is still in place.

The Willow project is in the northeastern portion of the National Petroleum Reserve–Alaska, an area the federal government set aside for oil and gas development. The initial discovery of oil in the Willow area was made by ConocoPhillips Alaska in 2017, and the company has said the project is expected to create more than 1,000 jobs during peak construction, and more than 400 permanent jobs.

In October, David Bernhardt, Mr. Trump’s secretary of the Interior Department, approved a plan for the company to drill up to three sites and build about 37 miles of gravel roads, at least one airstrip, 386 miles of pipelines and an oil processing facility to support that drilling.

Rosemary Ahtuangaruak, an environmental activist and a resident of the nearby village Nuiqsut, said she believed the project would divert the normal migration of caribou, hurting the community’s ability to feed families.

“It’s going to be very devastating for our way of life,” Ms. Ahtuangaruak said. And, she added, communities like hers are already suffering the consequences of air pollution from other oil and gas projects as well as the impacts of climate change.
An administration that has made climate action a priority needs “to stand up to their words, not cave to the pressures of industry,” she said.

Other Alaska Native groups, however, said they welcomed the jobs as well as the state and local revenue expected to be generated by the project. In an April letter to Interior Secretary Deb Haaland, George Edwardson, president of the Inupiat Community of the Arctic Slope, called oil drilling “critical to the economic survival of the eight Inupiat villages that call this region home” and said the Willow project had the group’s “strong support.”

“Alaska’s oil and gas industry provides much-needed jobs for our people, tax revenue to support our schools and health clinics, and support for basic public services,” he wrote.

Celerity

(43,107 posts)
17. Al Gore warns it would be 'recklessly irresponsible' to allow Alaska oil drilling plan
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:04 PM
Mar 2023
The pollution produced would comfortably wipe out the emissions saved from all renewable energy projects on US public lands by 2030.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217722394


Thunderbeast

(3,400 posts)
4. We are not serious about our addiction to oil.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:02 AM
Mar 2023

As a country, we can do all of the virtue signaling we can invent to pretend to be interested in saving the inhabitants of our only planetary home...

Until we STOP pumping ancient carbon out of the ground, we are lying to ourselves about our intent to leave a habitable ecosystem to our descendants. Our urgent "NEED" to drive profits from our Escalades, synthetic farm chemicals, and McMansions is not sustainable.

Biden's decision to drill in the Arctic demonstrates that we are powerless against our addiction. To quote AL Gore, it IS an "Inconvenient Truth" that burning fossil fuels at our current rate of consumption will lead to famine, migration, and destruction. Rich white people know that their wealth will shelter them from many of the consequences for a couple of generations...maybe. Buckminster Fuller once suggested that innovation and technology will emerge as we run out of carbon fuels...but he died before the climate impacts were fully understood.

When we have pumped the last barrel of oil out of the ground, we will already have passed the point where the atmosphere's feedback loop will take over. We may have already have done so. When our leaders continue to preserve their own political power by sacrificing the quality of our children's lives, we fail as a species.

The cosmos does not care. Human consciousness has only evolved here for a miniscule piece of cosmic history. Sadly, our brains don't seem up to the task of long-term human survival.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
15. Thats due to our limited options atm for the power requirements we have here
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 12:45 PM
Mar 2023

in the US as well as around the rest of the more developed nations other than nuclear.
Unless of course we are willing to step back 100+ years to the horse and buggy.

former9thward

(31,940 posts)
37. It is not our addiction to oil.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 06:18 PM
Mar 2023

It is our addition to our standard of living. And oil is the only effective way at this time to maintain it. No country on earth is going to voluntarily reduce their standard of living. None, Zero. And most are trying to significantly increase it.

Mysterian

(4,568 posts)
60. Humans are too stupid to avert a catastrophe
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 08:39 AM
Mar 2023

So they shall have the change in their standard of living come in an involuntary manner.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,310 posts)
47. I pity the later generations...
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:20 PM
Mar 2023

My only consolation is that I will be dead before the shit REALLY hits the fan.... and I have no children.


Best of luck, younger people!

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
62. Great post.
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 10:11 AM
Mar 2023

I fear you are absolutely correct and that makes me so very sad and fearful. I’m just not sure what we, as individuals can do, other than vote and try to educate.

I have no grandchildren. And I am glad.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
8. Why a Billion Crabs Have Suddenly Vanished From the Bering Sea
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:31 AM
Mar 2023

Alaskan officials estimate that one billion “missing” crabs represent a drop of 90 percent in population over just two years. Experts say what's happening to crab numbers in the Bering Sea may be a combination of factors, but climate change is first and foremost among those factors.Nov 8, 2022

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a41854680/crab-shortage-billion-crabs-missing/


This truly saddens me, it is anti-science, and if President Biden thinks this will help with Joe Manchin or in reaching across
the isle he is mistaken.

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
11. Not Joe Manchin
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 12:03 PM
Mar 2023

(the coal guy)

but apparently our newly elected Democrat who was able to thwart batshit crazy Caribou Barbie to achieve a historic win in AK for the at-large Congressional seat - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3045428

She and Murkowski have been advocating for Alaskan Native rights and this project, and have been lobbying rather hard.

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
23. Well he advocates for fossil fuel use in his state for energy production
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:42 PM
Mar 2023

But I don't think he (personally) gives a shit about Alaska, thousands of miles away.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
24. He's pushing for that "streamlined" process
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:44 PM
Mar 2023

for approving fossil projects.
These fossils all have their hands in each other's pockets.

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
26. That doesn't matter here
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 02:00 PM
Mar 2023

These were leases that were in place years ago that had not been used and have been whittled down to a handful.

Time to put some pressure on the biggest coal producers and users in the world that we can't seem to get enough imports from - China.



(from here - https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2019/07/14/ten-countries-that-dominate-fossil-fuel-production/?sh=261f35f75b13)

Celerity

(43,107 posts)
34. Manchin slams Biden's 'radical climate agenda' in delay of oil leasing
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 05:07 PM
Mar 2023
The Interior Department says it cannot finish a new offshore plan until December, a delay that has again angered the senator from West Virginia

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/03/08/offshore-oil-drilling-biden-manchin/



HOUSTON — In his latest clash with the White House, Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) sharply criticized the Biden administration Wednesday for delays on a new federal offshore drilling plan that the Interior Department says it needs until December to put into effect. Manchin — an oil industry advocate who has been key to supporting Biden policies in a narrowly divided Congress — has recently pushed back against the administration for its appointments and its implementation of the Inflation Reduction Act, including on how it affects oil and natural gas leasing in Alaska.

In court documents this week, Interior Department officials argue that they need the rest of this year to finish a legally required five-year plan to lease offshore territory for oil and gas development. The plan is months behind deadlines set in law, but in a federal appeals court brief Monday, department officials said they need the extra time to review public comments and complete other legally required analyses on a proposal issued last summer.

Manchin says the delays pose a risk to steady domestic supplies of oil and natural gas. He accused the administration of slow-walking a new plan as part of its push against fossil fuels. He also said the administration was failing to meet legal requirements that every other administration has met to have a new five-year offshore leasing plan in place before the prior plan expired.

“They are putting their radical climate agenda ahead of our nation’s energy security, and they are willing to go to great lengths to do it,” Manchin said in a news release Wednesday. “I will hold their feet to the fire on this.” An Interior Department spokeswoman declined to respond to Manchin’s comments.

snip


Joe Manchin’s ties to Big Oil under renewed scrutiny after chief of staff leaves for job with lobbying group

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-manchin-api-oil-industry-b2261991.html

Joe Manchin’s connections to the oil and gas industry are no secret. The West Virginia senator is among the leading recipients of donations from fossil fuel companies in Congress, and he still has substantial interests in a coal brokerage firm that he co-founded and which is now owned by his son. But those ties are under renewed scrutiny following the announcement on Friday that his chief of staff, Lance West, is leaving his office for the top lobbying job at the American Petroleum Institute, a group that represents oil and gas interests.

“Lance joins API at a critical time for our industry,” API president and chief executive officer Mike Sommers said in a statement, which was reported by Axios. “His position on Capitol Hill placed him at the center of some of our country’s more important legislative debates, and his deep relationships on both sides of the aisle will be a tremendous asset to our organization and the industry we serve,” the statement added.

The move by one of Mr Manchin’s closest advisers has been seized upon as further evidence of the influence of the oil and gas industry on Congress. The Washington Post described it as “[m]ore evidence of the revolving-door phenomenon on Capitol Hill” — a reference to the common practice of lobby groups hiring the staff of politicians that they formerly lobbied, and vice versa.

According to data compiled by OpenSecrets, more than 60 per cent of oil and gas lobbyists working in Washington, DC have previously worked for the federal government in some capacity. Last year, the door swung the other way when Mr Manchin hired a natural gas industry lobbyist, C.J. Osman, from the Interstate Natural Gas Association of America, to work on the Senate’s Energy and Natural Resources Committee, of which he is chair.

snip

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
36. The Alaska wells aren't "offshore"
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 05:35 PM
Mar 2023

The big $$$ is the Gulf Of Mexico wells "offshore". The infrastructure is easier to deal with in the warm bathwater.

Ironically, Rubio and Scott wanted to keep "offshore" GOM drilling away from Florida - https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2021/7/rubio-introduces-american-shores-protection-act

Rubio Introduces American Shores Protection Act
Jul 26 2021


Washington, D.C. — U.S. Senators Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Rick Scott (R-FL) introduced the American Shores Protection Act to codify the moratorium on oil and gas drilling off the coasts of Florida that was put in place by a September 8, 2020 Executive Order by then-President Trump. Under the legislation, the moratorium would be in place for the Eastern Gulf of Mexico and South Atlantic until 2032.

Congressman Michael Waltz (R-FL) introduced companion legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives.

“From beautiful beaches that draw tourists from around the world to housing critical military infrastructure, Florida’s coastlines are vital to our state and national economies,” Rubio said. “Protecting Florida’s unique coasts and vital military assets has long been a priority of mine. I am grateful for the steps taken by the Trump Administration to ensure the existing moratorium in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico remains in place beyond 2022, but we must do more. This legislation would solidify the protections that President Trump implemented, ensuring that both of Florida’s coasts will remain safe from executive action to revoke the moratorium.”

“As Governor of Florida, I fought for and secured a commitment from the Trump administration to ban oil drilling off Florida’s coasts,” Scott said. “While I’m glad the moratorium on drilling was extended for another 10 years under the Trump Administration, it’s time to codify this ban into law. I’m proud to join Senator Rubio in this important fight to preserve and protect Florida’s natural resources for generations to come.”

(snip)

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
40. With the last update to the OP, I actually grabbed and added a snapshot of the map to show the area
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 08:30 PM
Mar 2023

which really helped to provide context (the map was from that newspaper).



And IIRC, one of those "rogue balloons/objects" ended up being shot down up in that area!

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
45. I know they are a bunch of hours difference from ET
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 08:45 PM
Mar 2023

and I had been refreshing on and off all day to get updates from that source and they did finally update their page and I updated the OP.

The map that the newspaper's site had also showed where the pipeline is relative to that patch of land associated with Willow.

I have been hearing about that "reserve" since Carter and I finally got chance to focus long enough to see exactly where it was located. I also found his statement about proposed legislation related to the creation of that reserve from over 40 years ago (something that might be upsetting to DU) -

Jimmy Carter
39th President of the United States: 1977 ‐ 1981
National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska Statement on Proposed Legislation.


January 28, 1980

Today I have sent the Congress legislation calling for a private oil and gas leasing program for the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska. A vital element of my energy program is to accelerate domestic energy production as a means to lessen our dependence on foreign oil and increase this Nation's energy security. We must make greater use of America's abundant natural resources, including oil, if we are to succeed in our struggle to win the energy fight.

To stimulate increased oil production here at home, I have already decontrolled the price of domestically produced "heavy" crude oil, implemented a phasing out of oil price controls for conventional crude oil, and stepped up the leasing schedule for oil production from the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf. The proposal sent to the Congress today will be another step in our overall plan of accelerating domestic energy production.

The National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska is situated on the Arctic North Slope of Alaska and in size is larger than the combined acreage of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Delaware. My proposal will rename the Reserve the Western Arctic Management Area under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Interior's Bureau of Land Management. The area will be managed under the principles of multiple use. This region has been the site of substantial Government-sponsored oil exploration since 1923. It was in that year that President Harding first set the area aside as a Naval Petroleum Reserve and directed the U.S. Navy to explore and manage the area. Based on the data gathered by the Navy and the Interior Department since then, the Reserve is believed to have promising oil and gas potential, with current estimates projecting an average of 7 billion barrels of oil and 14 trillion cubic feet of gas in place. It is my belief that exploration and development of these resources can be achieved most quickly and at least cost to the Government by a federally managed private leasing program. I am encouraged by the prospects that this proposal has for bringing into production badly needed domestic oil and gas.

When enacted, the legislation will provide for an accelerated leasing schedule, with the first competitive bids taking place 20 months after passage of the legislation. This is the minimum amount of time required to allow for development of necessary land management plans, environmental assessments, and lease sale preparation.

I am also confident that this legislation contains sufficient protection for the fragile arctic environment found there; because not only does this area of Alaska hold promise for oil development, but it possesses unique surface resources, including magnificent wildlife populations, native cultural and archeological heritage, scenic grandeur, and recreational opportunities. The land use plan which will be developed will direct special attention to these resources and will be designed especially to protect wildlife from adverse effects of exploration and drilling operations.

The proposal is a well-balanced one. It will expedite oil and gas development and ensure the protection of the other natural resources of the area. It is in the interests of our Nation's security, and I urge early congressional action on this legislation.

Jimmy Carter, National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska Statement on Proposed Legislation. Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/node/249623

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/national-petroleum-reserve-alaska-statement-proposed-legislation


ancianita

(35,933 posts)
48. This is good history. I knew the Alaska Reserve existed before Obama, and now you've
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:22 PM
Mar 2023

put it out there. Thank you.

No, the critics here are wrong.

Biden is not being stupid about oil and he's not going back on a campaign promise about climate. This was a BARE MINIMUM deal that had been kicked around since it got brought up in Obama days.

Half of Alaska and its leaders wanted this, but it was up to Alaskans and Interior Secretary Haaland with Biden's input. It was not all up to Biden.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-oil-drilling-alaska-arctic-ff58d8a7fda5a00a1b4bbbbebd7d8781?fbclid=IwAR0aiFmSbY7lDMhMIXMpwbiQEgrYaYG0RD1LFoHwHX2ONhFqfEAFURIFEOM

What the critics say is not the Biden way of doing things. Everyone here should know that by now.

They should not think Biden doesn't know the geopolitics of oil.


One reason environmentalists get all arch about this is because they can't stop the shale/fracking revolution that has already made the U.S. globally #1 now in oil & gas as a resource.
But it's not because the U.S. is mindless about oil.

It's because after WWII, when America came out the economic leader, the American-led Order transformed areas that had rarely, if ever, been participants in any large-scale, multistate trading system.

Most of the world does not enjoy a geographic setup that naturally encourages trans and intercontinental economic activity, like the Arctic watershed and dense river networks that exist for North America.

The American order across oceans made geography matter less, and would now protect other nations' borders as well a their external commerce.

The result: the necessaries and goods of modern life everywhere -- because a new peaceable trade order compelled previous millennia old adversaries to be on the same human rights and prosperity side.

If most old and young environmentalists are not aware, they need to face a number of facts about energy AND greentech, some of which I brought up yesterday. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217720260

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
12. Wiping out farms of life, that help sustain man, is not the way forward, it cuts off a "hand'...
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 12:20 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Tue Mar 14, 2023, 12:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Incremental destruction is what I've observed, that predominantly rules where ever there's man.

It's sad to observe and then more understand, that what happens next will be all out-of-hand, the glaciers are melting, they're considering ways, to cloud up our skies with aerosolized sprays!

May reason rule!

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
18. Happy Monday y'all! Man's Reasoned Progress is Always at War with Malevolent Actors
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:22 PM
Mar 2023

It used to be that way, it still is, but it used to be that way too!

Reason never desists.
Reason always resists.

For Reason knows that there is no freedom, without Reason.

Each person has their own unique sphere of influence.
I identify with those that use the resources at their own disposal, towards enriching their own lives, through the enrichment of others.

I fully identify with the paradox of "change".

There is nothing as constant as change.
There is nothing as rare as change.
The more things change, the more they tend to stay the same.

Each is independently and simultaneously true.

How could this be true?

First order change changes a brand...
Second order change is losing a hand...
The second shifts paradigms, the first just rebrands.

Yet still in the overall scheme of mankind, things still stay the same, time after damn time...

May reason rule where delusion dwells!




Raven123

(4,792 posts)
9. So the media was right in last week's prediction on this one. Biden has some explaining to do
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:33 AM
Mar 2023

I can imagine he is trying to calculate our need for fossil fuels and our need to be independent of foreign sources of oil until a break from fossil fuels is possible, but I think he owes us an explanation of his thinking. He will never shut up the crowd. That wants to drill more. I don’t read of any compensatory protection for the environment, other than he plans to “limit” drilling else
where. Who are we kidding? The next time a GOPer is elected as POTUS, the limit will be history.

I’m a little fuzzy on the details of the type of oil. Will this be held domestically or exported?

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
10. "I can imagine he is trying to calculate our need for fossil fuels and our need to be independent"
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 11:52 AM
Mar 2023

Not necessarily only that. Aside from the domestic supply issue (and the fact that there is still a war going on between Ukraine and Russia, which has severely impacted the global supply in terms of pricing) - this is strictly political, which is why there were a myriad of carve-outs to attempt a compromise.

I.e., you have the 3 elected officials from the state including the newest Democrat - Mary Peltola - who have been pushing for some version of it -




Rep. Mary Peltola
@Rep_Peltola
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Encouraging news on Willow today--seems like the Administration is taking Alaskans' support for this project seriously. I don't want to jinx anything, but I hope the Admin stays the course and reapproves this project. Alaskans are watching!
9:53 PM · Mar 10, 2023


BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
33. She is brand new
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 04:44 PM
Mar 2023

and replaced a Republican who died while in office (Don Young), first in a special election to complete his term, and then for the full new 2-year term, surviving AK's "Ranked Choice" primaries and general election to keep Sarah Palin the hell out of that seat. The other GOP contender with Palin was Nick Begich and that split the vote enough for her to take the prize, with her being preferred over Palin for the 2nd choice by Begich voters.

Not necessarily "for the money" but for the Alaska Natives, of which she is one. But like most minorities, they are marginalized. Even to this day, the Congressional Black Caucus continues to be denigrated.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
39. We're already gas & oil independent, and the #1 oil exporter on the planet.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 08:30 PM
Mar 2023

I'm thinking that Biden's using future oil reserves as leverage when it's needed. He's paying attention to his original climate plan even if it's not the perfect path we expected him to take.

President Joe Biden will prevent or limit oil drilling in 16 million acres in Alaska and the Arctic Ocean, an administration official said on Sunday. The announcement, which is expected as soon as Sunday evening, comes as regulators prepare to announce a final decision on the Willow project, a controversial oil drilling plan pushed by ConocoPhillips.

The official requested anonymity to discuss the conservation effort before it is officially unveiled. The plan has two parts. First, the official said, Biden will bar drilling in nearly 3 million acres of the Arctic Ocean, closing off the rest of its federal waters from oil exploration.

Second, the administration will develop new rules for more than 13 million acres in a vast swath of land known as the National Petroleum Reserve - Alaska. The official said the area includes the Teshekpuk Lake, Utukok Uplands, Colville River, Kasegaluk Lagoon and Peard Bay Special Areas.


https://apnews.com/article/biden-oil-drilling-alaska-arctic-ff58d8a7fda5a00a1b4bbbbebd7d8781?fbclid=IwAR0aiFmSbY7lDMhMIXMpwbiQEgrYaYG0RD1LFoHwHX2ONhFqfEAFURIFEOM

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
42. Yeah the "carve out" regions were announced ahead of this
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 08:35 PM
Mar 2023

and from what I understand, the bare minimum was approved on old existing leases (there are no "new" leases).

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143045197

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
44. "Bare minimum." That's exactly what Biden is doing.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 08:39 PM
Mar 2023

One reason environmentalists get all arch about this is because they can't stop the shale/fracking revolution that has already made the U.S. globally #1 now in oil & gas as a resource.

But it's not because the U.S. is mindless about oil.

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
46. Here in PA, we have the Marcellus shale fields
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 08:54 PM
Mar 2023

where they are doing fracking - notably for natural gas.



ancianita

(35,933 posts)
49. Cool. Part of the shale revolution that made us energy independent, not dependent on
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 09:33 PM
Mar 2023

the other oil producers who've been geopolitically hostile to the West, like the Middle East, Russia and China.

Bayard

(22,005 posts)
13. We need to see the environmental impact statement,
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 12:35 PM
Mar 2023

And hear what the Indigenous people who don't want it are saying.

Its very disappointing though. Biden will get hit hard on, "talking out of both sides of his mouth."

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
16. Rep. Mary Pelota (D, at-large AK) wrote an editorial last week
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 12:51 PM
Mar 2023

Am not a "The Hill" fan but that is where it appears -

Opinion>Congress Blog
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill
On Willow, Democrats should listen more

by Rep. Mary Peltola (D-Alaska), opinion contributor - 03/05/23 8:00 PM ET


As a freshman representative, I’m used to people not knowing my name, even in my own party. Some just know me as the “pro-fish” candidate who replaced Don Young. I am definitely made of salmon, but I am focused on delivering for Alaskans on every issue they care about.  Alaska is the largest state in the union (2.5 times the size of Texas), and I am its sole Representative.  There is a lot on my plate, and right now, my biggest priority is an energy project on Alaska’s North Slope. It’s called the Willow Project, and it could be the lifeline that keeps the Alaska I love alive. 

I know that as a country, and especially in the Democratic Party, we are increasingly looking away from fossil fuels—as we should. I am a leading Alaskan voice in support of renewable energy and my state’s incredible potential for wind, solar, tidal, and geothermal generation. And I’m proud of the progress Alaska has made in green development. Alaskans share the desire to phase out fossil fuels. But we are hurt by the disregard that we hear from many people who talk about mitigating the energy transition’s impacts on marginalized communities while dismissing the voice of the first Alaska Native representative in Congress.

Alaskans — and certainly Alaska Natives — aren’t blind to the impacts of climate change. We are on the front lines. We see our sea ice shrinking. We breathe in smoke from the summer wildfires. We’ve called this land home for thousands of years. Now, our homes are sinking into permafrost. We understand climate change more than most. If Democrats want to help us, they should listen to us.

We can’t shoulder the burden of fixing global climate change alone. And in their own words, Democrats say we shouldn’t have to. The same experts advocating for the transition to renewable energy acknowledge that it’s just that — a transition. We can’t flip a switch and power our ATVs, boats, and planes with electric batteries overnight.  Pretending that we can transition instantly is just as irresponsible as claiming that we can continue burning fossil fuels forever. 

(snip)

More: https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/3885442-on-willow-democrats-should-listen-more/

Bayard

(22,005 posts)
50. "We can't shoulder the burden of fixing global climate change alone."
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 12:27 AM
Mar 2023

But the rest of the world looks to us to set an example. We can't lecture other countries about their lax standards, and then turn around and do something like this.

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
54. Most of the oil production is coming out of states like TX and the Gulf of Mexico
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 05:26 AM
Mar 2023

But one of the biggest shocks that I experienced over 35 years ago, was when I went to a training course in Los Angeles, which was my first trip to California. And much to my amazement and chagrin, was what I saw along the trip from the airport to the hotel. The freeway was LINED with... brace for it.... OIL PUMPS.

I was like WTF? I had NO IDEA. Not one "movie or television location" image nor P.R./tourist-directed image shows "oil pumps" in California. "HOLLYWOOD".

Little or nothing is uttered (at least outside of California) about "oil drilling and pumping" in that dark blue, "energy conscious" state. And the wells ARE "active". It was my first time actually seeing an oil well pump "in person". And I was born and raised in a city that at one time had a cluster of the largest oil refineries on the east coast.



CURBED
no drilling where we're living | Feb. 10, 2022

L.A. Just Banned Oil Drilling. Now Comes the Hard Part.
By Alissa Walker, a Curbed senior writer


Across Los Angeles, oil wells bob in yards, near schools, and at parks. Photo: Citizen of the Planet/Education Images/Universal Images Group via Getty Images


In a city aiming to be carbon-neutral by 2035, neighborhood oil wells have become an increasingly incongruous element of the Los Angeles landscape. About 600,000 Angelenos live within a half-mile of one of L.A.’s 1,000 active wells, where a recent study demonstrated that toxic particulates can travel up to two-and-a-half miles, blanketing local communities with chronic respiratory issues and higher cancer rates. Starting in 2013, the unusually broad coalition of groups known as Stand Together Against Neighborhood Drilling (STAND L.A.) began a campaign under the slogan “No drilling where we’re living.” And last week — nearly a decade after the campaign began — L.A. finally passed a motion to officially phase out oil and gas extraction. It’s a first step toward holding oil companies accountable for the damage they have inflicted upon L.A.’s most vulnerable neighborhoods for over a century. “It’s a vision beyond oil drilling,” says Eric Romann, an environmental-justice coordinator for Physicians for Social Responsibility and a co-leader of STAND L.A.’s campaign. “It’s the vision that communities that are overwhelmingly Black and Latino and working class who have borne the brunt should actively have a role in shaping what their future will look like.”

The oil companies won’t exactly quit drilling tomorrow. New drilling permits would likely stop being issued by the end of 2022, but oil companies may get up to a 20-year period to phase out everything that’s already siphoning fossil fuels out of the ground. That will mean not only properly plugging wells — including cleaning up 3,000 inactive drilling sites and another 1,000 abandoned wells located around the city — but also fully remediating the land. If the city can prove oil well operators have already recouped their initial investment, it may go faster. Neighboring Culver City recently conducted a similar study for its oil wells and is requiring full remediation by 2026.

Since 1892, L.A. has been dotted with oil wells, which lined up along beaches and sprouted out of backyards. But whereas drilling sites in wealthier neighborhoods have largely shut down over the last 25 years — a few continue to operate, cleverly camouflaged and with improved safety measures in place — many of the sites in lower-income communities have persisted. The city’s new ordinance would start to chip away at L.A.’s many land-use inequities, from its freeways to its port, says Romann: “We have an economy based not only on the extraction but the production and consumption of fossil fuels, and in order for that to function, we have placed this in the neighborhoods where the people with the least power live.”

That’s a start, but there’s a lot of petroleum infrastructure left in L.A. County, and that means the hardest part comes next. The region is home to multiple refineries that pollute the same neighborhoods affected by oil drilling. Remember that one of the largest environmental disasters in U.S. history was a gas leak at a storage facility in Aliso Canyon. Six years later, residents are still experiencing health issues, yet officials recently voted to expand the facility anyway. Reforms at the county and state level are helping, like new rules governing setback requirements around schools and parks. (The state also continues to issue new fracking permits but says it wants to phase out oil extraction by 2045.) There’s assistance coming from the Biden administration as well: Interior Secretary Deb Haaland visited L.A. in December and promised federal funds to clean up drill sites.

(snip)

https://www.curbed.com/2022/02/los-angeles-ends-oil-drilling-stand.html


When I had a work conference in Galveston, TX almost 30 years ago, the highway trip from Houston to Galveston was littered with retread truck tires and oil pumps. I expected that THERE but NOT California. And these California pumps are IN the city where people LIVE - NOT in the middle of the wilderness and tundra near the Arctic Circle.



The lack of focus on THAT - achieving environmental justice for EXISTING, poorly-maintained fossil fuel extraction locations in the middle of URBAN areas - is exactly the scotoma that many environmentalists seem to suffer from due to racism. It's not going to happen overnight but valid replacements need to be developed - and not just insisting that everyone "buy an EV" and "just plug it into a socket in their garage" (assuming the person lives in an actual house and not an apartment, and even has a garage or off-street parking to run a damn cord because at least here in Philly, you can't legally run EV electric cords across sidewalks to the street where the car might be parked).

Of course the first oil well was drilled right here in PA (Titusville, PA).



(sorry to dump that as a reply to you )

Bayard

(22,005 posts)
55. I had no idea either
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 11:21 PM
Mar 2023

Until I lived out there, and had to drive south around Bakersfield, and saw a herd of oil wells along 99.

And then, there's the idle wells that were discovered to be leaking tons of methane:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-22/california-oil-regulator-reports-methane-leak-at-idle-oil-well-in-bakersfield

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
57. Thank you for that link! (again sorry to unload the below as a reply but I use for later reference)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 06:29 AM
Mar 2023

From that article at your link -

(snip)

Methane is a colorless, odorless, highly flammable gas. High levels of methane can reduce the amount of oxygen breathed from the air and can result in vision problems, memory loss, nausea, vomiting, facial flushing and headache.

Across much of California, fossil fuel companies are leaving thousands of oil and gas wells unplugged and idle, potentially threatening the health of people living nearby and in many cases handing taxpayers the bill for the environmental cleanup.

From Kern County to Los Angeles, companies haven’t set aside anywhere near enough money to ensure these drilling sites are cleaned up and made safe, according to a 2020 data analysis and investigation by the Los Angeles Times and the Center for Public Integrity.

Of particular concern are about 35,000 wells sitting idle, with production suspended, half of them for more than a decade. Though California recently toughened its regulations to ensure more cleanup funds are available, those measures don’t go far enough, according to a recent state report and the Times/Public Integrity analysis.

(snip)



THIS is what needs to be focused on - getting the fossil fuel industry's leftover, unmaintained, and broken infrastructure out of the urban areas.

IMHO instead complaining about drilling in the middle of nowhere in the Alaskan tundra in the Arctic Circle, the environmental movement needs to demand the removal and remediation of the poison wells in the middle of urban minority neighborhoods.

Another example that was akin to what happened in East Palestine, OH after that train derailment and tanker leaks/explosions, but probably hundreds of times worse - was a huge explosion at the now-closed PES refinery down in South Philly (NOT a rural area full of MAGats like East Palestine, OH, but adjacent to dense city neighborhoods) -







PES was the oldest and largest oil refinery on the east coast before that explosion and closure. Most of the refineries here have now all been pretty much shut down and were some of the few that processed sweet oil.



Anyone who grew up in Philly and who either lived in or made the trip down to South Philly to the stadiums/arenas or even to the airport, drove by the huge oil refineries that lined the Delaware River near where the Schuylkill River emptied into it. It was the standard joke that when on the expressway that runs adjacent to the refinery (I-76), you had to roll up your car windows or else gag on the rotten egg (or worse) fumes.

Commodities News
February 16, 2021 6:01 AM Updated 2 years ago
150 years of spills: Philadelphia refinery cleanup highlights toxic legacy of fossil fuels

By Laila Kearney, Valerie Volcovici


(snip)

SURPRISES IN A TOXIC SOUP

Oil refining at the Philadelphia site began in 1870, 100 years before the creation of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Gasoline, once a worthless byproduct of heating oil, was routinely dumped by the refinery into the soil, according to historians and researchers.

Leaks and accidents spewed more toxins. The June 2019 blasts alone released 676,000 pounds of hydrocarbons, PES said at the time. The Philadelphia site is not unique. About half of America’s 450,000 polluted former industrial and commercial sites are contaminated with petroleum, according to the EPA. “That’s one of the reasons that a lot of these refineries have been kept going for such a long time,” said Fred Quivik, a Minnesota-based industrial historian. “They’re so contaminated, it’s hard to figure out what else to do with them.”

Cleanup in Philadelphia will be painstaking. After asbestos abatement comes the demolition and removal of 3,000 tanks and vessels, along with more than 100 buildings and other infrastructure, the company said. Then comes the ground itself. Hilco’s Perez said dirt quality varies widely on the site and will have to be handled differently depending on contamination levels.

Clearing toxins like lead must be done with chemical rinses or other technologies, said Charles Haas, professor of environmental engineering at Drexel University in Philadelphia. The site also has polluted groundwater and giant benzene pools lurking underneath, according to environmental reports Sunoco filed over the years with the federal and state governments.

(snip)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-energy-refinery-cleanup-insight/150-years-of-spills-philadelphia-refinery-cleanup-highlights-toxic-legacy-of-fossil-fuels-idUSKBN2AG12O


That PES facility (which used to be owned by Sunoco) alone had churned out twice as much as Willow is supposedly expected to produce.

Just found this article too -



Green
How to Tear Down an Oil Refinery in the Middle of Philadelphia

There are some 130 aging oil refineries in the U.S., most of which will need to be decommissioned if the country is to meet its climate goals.

By Josh Saul
September 30, 2021

After part of the Philadelphia Energy Solutions refinery exploded into flames one night in 2019, its owners filed for bankruptcy and put the 1,300-acre site up for sale. Hilco Global, a company with a track record of transforming fossil-fuel infrastructure like coal-fired power plants, bought the South Philadelphia facility out of bankruptcy with a grand new vision that includes logistics facilities and research labs.

But first the company has a daunting task: safely dismantling over 100 buildings, 3,000 tanks and 950 miles of dirty pipeline.

The Problem

Oil refining has taken place on the banks of the Schuylkill River since just after the Civil War. By the time the explosion scattered debris across the site and even over the river, the PES Oil Refinery was turning 330,000 barrels of crude day into gasoline, diesel and other petroleum products such as heating oil and jet fuel.

Right now, some parts of the PES Oil Refinery have the feel of a ghost town. Weeds sprout head-high among the pipelines, Canada geese strut down empty roads and small herds of deer bound past a silent railyard. But other parts are bustling with workers and big, yellow excavators as Hilco enters the second year of taking apart equipment and preparing the site for construction. The first tenants are supposed to move into the site in 2023.

(snip)

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2021-decommissioned-philadelphia-oil-refinery/


Justice
A Vast Refinery Site in Philadelphia Is Being Redeveloped and Called ‘The Bellwether District.’ But for Black Residents Nearby, Justice Awaits

Three years after a fire and explosion shuttered what was once the East Coast’s largest refinery, toxic benzene continued leaking well into the cleanup.

By Victoria St. Martin
July 4, 2022


One minute, the 3-year-old was playing tag in the grass—her braided hair bouncing with each step—while the hulking remains of a 150-year-old oil refinery loomed nearby. Then, suddenly, she couldn’t breathe. Many residents here in the Grays Ferry section of Philadelphia live with asthma and other chronic health conditions that they, advocates and even some medical experts attribute to the close proximity of the former Philadelphia Energy Solutions Refinery, which was destroyed in an explosion in June 2019 and closed shortly afterward.

Now, at a recent gathering of her neighbors and environmentalists in a local park to celebrate the refinery’s closure, the toddler was experiencing an asthma attack. When an inhaler offered no relief, family members rushed her to a nearby hospital where she was treated, released and made a full recovery.

“Look at all the damage that’s been done,” the toddler’s grandmother, Sheryl Russell, 45, said of the health ailments that many residents trace to the refinery. “And it’s, like, where do they pay? They need to pay for that.”

The closure of the 1,300-acre refinery here—once the largest on the East Coast—had been cheered as a major victory for those working at the intersection of equity, social justice and environmentalism. Yet in the three years since the refinery closed, the kind of sustained change sought by residents and environmental activists has proved elusive.

(snip)

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04072022/philadelphia-refinery-health-black-residents/


Again sorry for dumping here but I had to speak my peace.

Magoo48

(4,698 posts)
25. The environmental impact of drilling and using oil is well known already.
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:49 PM
Mar 2023

Horrific on land; exponentially horrific at sea.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
41. He's not talking out of both sides of his mouth. Here's what the AP reported
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 08:33 PM
Mar 2023
Rejection of the project would meet strong resistance from Alaska’s bipartisan congressional delegation, which met with top officials at the White House in recent days to lobby for the project. Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who provided key support to confirm Interior Secretary Deb Haaland, said it was no secret she has cooperated with the White House on a range of issues.

“Cooperation goes both ways,? she told reporters.

Haaland, who fought the Willow project as a member of Congress, has the final decision on whether to approve it, although top White House climate officials are likely to be involved, with input from Biden himself.


https://apnews.com/article/biden-oil-drilling-alaska-arctic-ff58d8a7fda5a00a1b4bbbbebd7d8781?fbclid=IwAR0aiFmSbY7lDMhMIXMpwbiQEgrYaYG0RD1LFoHwHX2ONhFqfEAFURIFEOM

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
19. A sellout
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:32 PM
Mar 2023

Another major carbon bomb that will dwarf the minor benefits of the IRA, which will give us some consumer goods to help us feel virtuous while the oligarchs pump the mega-carbon and the giga-money. Ooh, shiny!

The IRA is so Byzantine in its qualifications that car-makers can't figure out if any qualify. Plus, don't forget the plans to "streamline" fossil project approvals. Nice euphemism.

Instead of bribing Alaskans with a few dribbles from the moneypot, why can't we give them direct social support like efficient homes, clinics, solar, and wind turbines instead of burning their world down? Oops, dumb question.

The Arctic Ocean stuff is meaningless. The fossil companies gave up on that years ago, they don't even want it. Plus a future prez can change it with a penstroke.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,103 posts)
20. Can anyone tell this Democrat why Willow was approved when environmentalists
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:34 PM
Mar 2023

are saying that it's a "carbon bomb"?

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
29. I listened to what she had to say
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 02:35 PM
Mar 2023

I don't live up there (although I had friends who did when they had parents who were stationed on the big base up there).

It's unfortunate that the First Peoples (whether AK native, Pacific Islanders, indigenous people) are swatted aside for certain subjects. When she mentioned people up in the north paying $15/gallon for stove oil, that is sobering. I know they get income back from those energy companies but then there seems to have been little in terms of investment into other industries there (although we know the GOP believes they know what is "best" there).

Hell... if we can get the damn train infrastructure up to par, we can halt a lot of the poisoning of the topsoil, wells and waterways every time a damn tanker train derails and spills toxic substances.

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
61. She represents the state of AK as their at-large member of Congress
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 09:56 AM
Mar 2023

and is a Democrat.

I wish some of the environmentalists (armchair or real) would spend more time and resources dealing with the EXISTING disasters - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3046240

But it is obvious is what it is - that inherent "bias".

 

News Junkie

(312 posts)
63. And Joe Biden represents the country
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:22 AM
Mar 2023

Objecting to further disasters while trying to deal with others is legit. It's way off base to blame environmentalists for objecting.

Not sure what you mean by inherent bias.

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
64. No it's way "off base" to distort what the background of this issue is
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:59 AM
Mar 2023
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217727792

A big problem in the "environmental" space, is the conflicting ideals and goals of each group.

One group demands use of more renewables like wind energy which involves wind turbines but then THAT clashes with those who are ornithologists who are concerned with some of the turbines that are obviously in the best positions to be effective to take advantage of natural wind currents, but that are also in the very areas where bird migration patterns happen because of those self-same wind currents.

Similar has happened with a push for more and better use of solar energy and natural sunlight, where new skyscrapers have now been built with more "open" designs and glass to let in more natural sunlight in order to cut down on energy use for daytime lighting, and then allow for more lighting at night, and that resulted in flocks of birds not realizing there was glass in windows in these buildings, and they flew head on into them, ending up dead on the sidewalk -



Glass-walled buildings can mean death for birds, killing 1 to 5 percent of them a year
By Deseret News
Aug 10, 2009, 11:23am EDT

Karen Knee, The Philadelphia Inquirer


PHILADELPHIA (MCT) — The front of Temple University's student center is an almost seamless wall of glass, reflecting trees and sky in lifelike detail and adding visual appeal to the urban landscape. But, for the city's winged residents, the glinting surface can be a killing zone.

The very qualities that people prize in glass — its transparency and reflectiveness — make it invisible to birds, who mistake the reflections for reality. They often fly straight into windows, and, according to a study by the New York City Audubon Society, the impact kills them nine times out of 10.

Bird-window mishaps have been overlooked until recently, said Muhlenberg College ornithologist Daniel Klem Jr., who has researched the problem for three decades. In the last five years, environmental groups, city governments, and schools such as Temple and Swarthmore have begun seeking ways to prevent the crashes.

Still, those efforts are dwarfed by the scale of the problem. In a paper published this spring, Klem estimated that 520 birds crash into windows and die during the four-month fall and spring migratory period each year in an average 10-square-block urban area. In Philadelphia, located along the Atlantic Flyway, that adds up to more than 40,000 bird deaths during the annual migrations.

(snip)

https://www.deseret.com/2009/8/10/20333811/glass-walled-buildings-can-mean-death-for-birds-killing-1-to-5-percent-of-them-a-year


In another example, environmental proponents of the past had pushed for alternatives for pesticides with use of "natural" predators - bringing an untold number of what has now become the invasive Asian lady beetle into the United States - which has crowded out the native American ladybug. Untold billions and billions sold in stores and online.



https://phl17.com/phl17-news/this-ladybug-look-alike-can-be-very-harmful-for-you-and-your-pets/

So there are good intentions but POOR critical thinking going on in the movement.

blue-wave

(4,344 posts)
53. This decision, in my opinion,
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 04:01 AM
Mar 2023

has more to do with Geo-politics than anything else. We are in engaged in many cold wars at the moment. If any one of them or more than one erupts into a hot war, our energy supplies might be greatly disrupted. With the Russia and China situations as they are and now Saudi Arabia and Iran attempting to normalize relations between their countries, we might be in for some very challenging times. We must prepare for the worst before it happens.

A Saudi-Iran reconciliation may ripple across the region. Here’s why

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/13/middleeast/saudi-iran-regional-impact-mime-intl/index.html

Justice

(7,185 posts)
56. Biden had no leverage to ban Willow; negotiated a 40% reduction
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 11:28 PM
Mar 2023

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/interior-department-substantially-reduces-scope-willow-project

"Biden had no leverage re Willow. Lease was signed decades ago; courts overturned drill bans.

He could have challenged in court and delayed it 6mos, or he could negotiate and make it less bad.

He made it a LOT less bad.

You’re not an environmentalist if you’re mad about that.

Link below detailing how Biden slashed Willow by 40% while permanently protecting sensitive land.

All this on top of passing IRA and Infrastructure, representing the largest climate investment in world history.

This is an environmentalist president."

--- from @DemsInArray
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