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Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:39 PM Mar 2023

'Especially reprehensible' Retired Air Force officer sentenced to 2 years in prison in Capitol rio

Source: WUSA 9

'Especially reprehensible' | Retired Air Force officer sentenced to 2 years in prison in Capitol riot case

Author: Jordan Fischer
Published: 3:14 PM EDT March 17, 2023
Updated: 3:14 PM EDT March 17, 2023
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WASHINGTON — A federal judge sentenced a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel to two years in prison Friday for joining a mob that occupied the U.S. Senate on Jan. 6, 2021.

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Prosecutors asked Bates to sentence Brock to five years in prison – at the lower end of the recommended guideline range they’d calculated – in no small part because of what they described as a “manifesto” he sent to another military veteran on Christmas Eve 2020. Titled “Plan of Action if Congress fails to act on 6 January,” the document laid out eight points that Brock described as “main tasks,” including:

- Seizing all democratic politicians and Biden key staff and select republicans, including Senators John Thune and Mitch McConnell, and interrogating them using “measures we used on Al Queda” (sic).

- Seizing national media figures. Brock wrote they should “eliminate them. Media silence except for White House communications.”

- Former President Donald Trump issuing a general pardon “for all crimes up to and including murder” for those who put down “the Democratic Insurrection.”

Brock’s task list also included the note, “Do not kill LEO unless necessary. Gas would assist in this if we can get it.”

Read more: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/retired-air-force-lieutenant-colonel-who-wore-combat-gear-into-senate-sentenced-to-2-years-in-prison-larry-brock-grapevine-texas/65-8dbfd80f-e691-4b37-a18d-662812b9610f

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'Especially reprehensible' Retired Air Force officer sentenced to 2 years in prison in Capitol rio (Original Post) swag Mar 2023 OP
Should have been closer to 20 than 2. Violation of his oath as an officer. Wonder Why Mar 2023 #1
Technically only if he was a current member of the military or a member of the reserves. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #16
Retirees are subject to UCMJ, Article 2. sarge43 Mar 2023 #36
I said technically not legally. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #43
Hell yes. Duppers Mar 2023 #24
To be dismissed he would have to be convicted by a General Court Martial. sarge43 Mar 2023 #33
Oh, thanks. Duppers Mar 2023 #37
It should, but there is that, double jeop; however, sarge43 Mar 2023 #38
He might *wish* he was in the USDB COL Mustard Mar 2023 #56
It does delight the imagination. n/t sarge43 Mar 2023 #58
Double Jeopardy wouldn't apply... Shipwack Mar 2023 #39
... Faux pas Mar 2023 #2
The 21 year old on another thread got 40 months - and he was just a dumbass. Probatim Mar 2023 #31
Yeah, this a bullshit sentence. intheflow Mar 2023 #46
THIS!!☝️ onetexan Mar 2023 #54
Black guys get 10x that for having a joint on them. NullTuples Mar 2023 #59
Wow! We're not at war, so it's not treason, but it's definitely... TreasonousBastard Mar 2023 #3
Prosecution wanted 5 years, I believe. 2 is not long enough for this guy. Bev54 Mar 2023 #4
Unless he's started working with the Feds COL Mustard Mar 2023 #57
'Especially reprehensible' that the sentence is so light... RockRaven Mar 2023 #5
Yes. Owl Mar 2023 #30
An officer receiving a pension is still subject to the UCMJ CanonRay Mar 2023 #6
Sedition more likely sarge43 Mar 2023 #35
Maximum he faced was 20 years and a $250,000 fine Auggie Mar 2023 #7
This is a major let down. He should be in prison for a long, long time. chowder66 Mar 2023 #8
Yes 3auld6phart Mar 2023 #55
How long has he been retired? Backseat Driver Mar 2023 #9
"Reprehensible" two years? Novara Mar 2023 #10
Now do Flynn QED Mar 2023 #11
YES! Duppers Mar 2023 #26
Look at what a retired Lt. Col. was willing to do for trump. Paladin Mar 2023 #12
Brock was one of the insurrectionists with zip ties, IIRC Fiendish Thingy Mar 2023 #13
I was wondering if that was him Kaleva Mar 2023 #20
Isn't this the guy whose ex wife turned him in? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2023 #48
I think there was more than one of those... Fiendish Thingy Mar 2023 #49
Lol. Yes. I had to google it. Brock's wife turned him in before the cleanup was even done. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2023 #51
Sad to think RussBLib Mar 2023 #14
Unfortunately there are actually people in the military as law enforcement like that but cstanleytech Mar 2023 #18
should be stripped of his pension and his va benefits. fuck him. nt Javaman Mar 2023 #15
He got off with an extraordinarily light sentence given the manifesto he had written. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #17
prison is awful pirsquared Mar 2023 #34
And let us remember the manifesto this guy wrote. intheflow Mar 2023 #47
like it republianmushroom Mar 2023 #19
Commander Whiz Nuts! Larry Brock. Botany Mar 2023 #21
Take away his pension and VA benefits. paleotn Mar 2023 #22
Take away his oak leaves, too. Aristus Mar 2023 #23
YES! +1000 Duppers Mar 2023 #27
yes! I got 18 months for filing too many and too frequent gopiscrap Mar 2023 #50
WTF.. only 2 years for that SHIT?! Cha Mar 2023 #25
Col. ZipTies deserves 25 times that. Kid Berwyn Mar 2023 #41
What? He was one of the zip-tie dudes IbogaProject Mar 2023 #28
What a fucking joke dalton99a Mar 2023 #29
Shoulda got what trump wanted purr-rat beauty Mar 2023 #32
While there have been some really... Wuddles440 Mar 2023 #40
He should be tried for violation of UCMJ Article 88. James48 Mar 2023 #42
Traitor. twodogsbarking Mar 2023 #44
He should be recalled to active duty, court martialed The Wizard Mar 2023 #45
Did the judge even consider those points? LiberalFighter Mar 2023 #52
So why did he get off so easy if prosecutors were asking for 5 years and that was the low end Martin68 Mar 2023 #53

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
36. Retirees are subject to UCMJ, Article 2.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:07 PM
Mar 2023

Once he serves the sentence DoD can bring him up on charges.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
24. Hell yes.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:12 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:16 PM - Edit history (1)

He should have his pension revoked and get a dishonorable discharge. Biden being commander in chief could do that.

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
33. To be dismissed he would have to be convicted by a General Court Martial.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:59 PM
Mar 2023

DoD might pull his pension during his slammer vacation - can't play, won't pay.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
37. Oh, thanks.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:20 PM
Mar 2023

I corrected my other mistake too. I'm Irish & am having a nip. 💚 🍀


Btw, Why wouldn't a conviction in a civil court count against him?

If he were tried in Military Court for the same crime he was convicted for in Civil Court, that would be double jeopardy, no?


sarge43

(28,940 posts)
38. It should, but there is that, double jeop; however,
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:51 PM
Mar 2023

a retired commissioned officer can be reactivated based on charges for certain crimes. Sedition is one. I wouldn't bet the farm that will happen, but it could give him something more to sweat while he's enjoying the ambiance of our prison system.

COL Mustard

(5,870 posts)
56. He might *wish* he was in the USDB
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 02:34 AM
Mar 2023

Civilian prisons are much harsher than military prisons. Let him rot there for awhile. He won’t like it.

Shipwack

(2,157 posts)
39. Double Jeopardy wouldn't apply...
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:45 PM
Mar 2023

Back in boot camp they explained to us that if we were convicted of drunk driving (for instance) in a civilian court, we could then be convicted of drunk driving in a military court. Double jeopardy would not apply, because they are two separate laws. You can't be convicted of breaking the same law twice, but you can be convicted for your actions twice...

Or maybe they were just lying to us... Who knows. : :

Probatim

(2,501 posts)
31. The 21 year old on another thread got 40 months - and he was just a dumbass.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:45 PM
Mar 2023

This guy had a plan. FFS.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
46. Yeah, this a bullshit sentence.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 08:02 AM
Mar 2023

Two years is just enough time for him to miss the next election while also giving him two years with nothing to do but fine tune his violent plans to overthrow the government. The justice system is severely broken.

CanonRay

(14,084 posts)
6. An officer receiving a pension is still subject to the UCMJ
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:49 PM
Mar 2023

they could reinstate him to active duty and try him for treason. Slap on the wrist.

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
35. Sedition more likely
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:02 PM
Mar 2023

General Court no doubt. Not an affair where you want to be the guest of honor.

3auld6phart

(1,039 posts)
55. Yes
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:52 PM
Mar 2023

leaven worth . Recalled to active service,forfeit pension. Max sentence to MilitetPrison. Tota uckin’ scum.

Backseat Driver

(4,380 posts)
9. How long has he been retired?
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:57 PM
Mar 2023

This one surely didn't serve with honor to his open-ended oath; he certainly should not be entitled to double-dip SS and a military pension!

Novara

(5,821 posts)
10. "Reprehensible" two years?
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:58 PM
Mar 2023

HE GOT LESS THAN THE MINIMUM RECOMMENDED SENTENCE. LESS THAN MINIMUM.

"Justice" is a joke.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,548 posts)
13. Brock was one of the insurrectionists with zip ties, IIRC
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 05:13 PM
Mar 2023

Not the guy who was there with his mom, Brock was the other one.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,548 posts)
49. I think there was more than one of those...
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:20 PM
Mar 2023

Most well known being Stewart Rhodes, leader of the Oath Keepers, who was convicted of seditious conspiracy and other felonies, and is facing up to 80 years in prison.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
51. Lol. Yes. I had to google it. Brock's wife turned him in before the cleanup was even done.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 03:15 PM
Mar 2023

Arrested a week later

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/11/ex-wife-turned-in-retired-lieutenant-colonel-with-zip-ties-at-capitol/

CAPITOL RIOT ARRESTS
Veteran with Zip Ties ...
EX-WIFE REPORTED HIM TO FEDS

RussBLib

(9,003 posts)
14. Sad to think
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 05:24 PM
Mar 2023

...that some of our military "leaders" fell prey to this bullshit. Unless they were democracy-hating white supremacist fascists in hiding all along.

cstanleytech

(26,233 posts)
18. Unfortunately there are actually people in the military as law enforcement like that but
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:03 PM
Mar 2023

the problem is a lot of them are good at concealing it which tarnishes the ones who are not like that.

 

pirsquared

(77 posts)
34. prison is awful
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:59 PM
Mar 2023

Let us remember how awful prison is. Total humiliation being checked in, body cavity search. No privacy at all for 2 years; no snacks; no sex (masturbation is forbidden--really); the first year is probably the worst, getting settled in to the new regimen.

And forever listing this conviction and hiatus on your resume and life story.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
47. And let us remember the manifesto this guy wrote.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 08:10 AM
Mar 2023

He wanted to use his military training against fellow citizens. He broke his oath to uphold the Constitution and protect it against aggressors, foreign and domestic. Two years is just long enough to give him all the time he needs to refine his plans while giving him hope he’ll be out with time enough left in his miserable life to carry them out.

Edited to add: if he’s allowed to keep his military pension he won’t need to find a job. If he loses it, he could still have set up some kickass retirement account. And even if he’s got zip for retirement, there will always be some jingoistic MAGAt to give him work under the table. Or he can become an expert on Fox!

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
22. Take away his pension and VA benefits.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:16 PM
Mar 2023

Let him die in poverty. He deserves vastly worse.

If democracy is worth dying for, attempting to destroy democracy should be met with the same.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
23. Take away his oak leaves, too.
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:03 PM
Mar 2023

That will hurt him. Put him down in the roll of retirees as a private. He is no gentleman, therefore, no officer.

gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
50. yes! I got 18 months for filing too many and too frequent
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:23 PM
Mar 2023

bankruptcies due to huge non insured medical bills I had cancer back before you couldn't kick some off of insurance, ran up a $192,000 medical bill. For the poor you either do time or send in money I had no money, spent 13 months in a federal prison and had my debt reduced by agreement to $10,001.00

Cha

(296,848 posts)
25. WTF.. only 2 years for that SHIT?!
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:12 PM
Mar 2023

So what happens when that Murderous Traitor gets out of jail?

Kid Berwyn

(14,795 posts)
41. Col. ZipTies deserves 25 times that.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:30 AM
Mar 2023

Perhaps other, more serious charges await him. Conspiracy to overthrow the government, could be one.

IbogaProject

(2,787 posts)
28. What? He was one of the zip-tie dudes
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:19 PM
Mar 2023

I'm not happy about this. Kids have gotten 5 or more years for weed albeit over a certain number of plants or pounds, but this guy went in with one or more weapons. I'm counting zip-tie handcuffs as those are clearly for a single purpose.

purr-rat beauty

(543 posts)
32. Shoulda got what trump wanted
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:47 PM
Mar 2023

10 years

why isn't this being brought up in the media?

how kiddy gloved this crap is

Wuddles440

(1,119 posts)
40. While there have been some really...
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:47 PM
Mar 2023

appalling sentences for several of the most prominent insurrectionists, this is easily the greatest miscarriage of justice to date. An absolute travesty!

James48

(4,427 posts)
42. He should be tried for violation of UCMJ Article 88.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:00 AM
Mar 2023
ARTICLE 88. Contempt toward Officials

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

* * *

He can be activated to stand Courts Martial under Article 2, Section 4, as a regular service member in retired pay status.


It’s not double jeopardy because he wasn’t charged with contemptuous words by the DoJ. That’s a different crime. I think the very existence of the list of people to wanted to injure - naming dem politicians- is enough to convict him on UCMJ article 88.

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
45. He should be recalled to active duty, court martialed
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:55 AM
Mar 2023

convicted and have his government pension revoked.

Martin68

(22,765 posts)
53. So why did he get off so easy if prosecutors were asking for 5 years and that was the low end
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:38 PM
Mar 2023

of the recommended range for this crimes?

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