Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:39 PM
swag (26,395 posts)
'Especially reprehensible' Retired Air Force officer sentenced to 2 years in prison in Capitol rio
Source: WUSA 9
'Especially reprehensible' | Retired Air Force officer sentenced to 2 years in prison in Capitol riot case Author: Jordan Fischer Published: 3:14 PM EDT March 17, 2023 Updated: 3:14 PM EDT March 17, 2023 Facebook Twitter WASHINGTON — A federal judge sentenced a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel to two years in prison Friday for joining a mob that occupied the U.S. Senate on Jan. 6, 2021. Excerpt: ... Prosecutors asked Bates to sentence Brock to five years in prison – at the lower end of the recommended guideline range they’d calculated – in no small part because of what they described as a “manifesto” he sent to another military veteran on Christmas Eve 2020. Titled “Plan of Action if Congress fails to act on 6 January,” the document laid out eight points that Brock described as “main tasks,” including: - Seizing all democratic politicians and Biden key staff and select republicans, including Senators John Thune and Mitch McConnell, and interrogating them using “measures we used on Al Queda” (sic). - Seizing national media figures. Brock wrote they should “eliminate them. Media silence except for White House communications.” - Former President Donald Trump issuing a general pardon “for all crimes up to and including murder” for those who put down “the Democratic Insurrection.” Brock’s task list also included the note, “Do not kill LEO unless necessary. Gas would assist in this if we can get it.” Read more: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/retired-air-force-lieutenant-colonel-who-wore-combat-gear-into-senate-sentenced-to-2-years-in-prison-larry-brock-grapevine-texas/65-8dbfd80f-e691-4b37-a18d-662812b9610f
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swag | Friday | OP |
Wonder Why | Friday | #1 | |
cstanleytech | Friday | #16 | |
sarge43 | Friday | #36 | |
cstanleytech | Saturday | #43 | |
Duppers | Friday | #24 | |
sarge43 | Friday | #33 | |
Duppers | Friday | #37 | |
sarge43 | Friday | #38 | |
COL Mustard | Sunday | #56 | |
sarge43 | Sunday | #58 | |
Shipwack | Friday | #39 | |
Faux pas | Friday | #2 | |
Probatim | Friday | #31 | |
intheflow | Saturday | #46 | |
onetexan | Saturday | #54 | |
NullTuples | Sunday | #59 | |
TreasonousBastard | Friday | #3 | |
Bev54 | Friday | #4 | |
COL Mustard | Sunday | #57 | |
RockRaven | Friday | #5 | |
Owl | Friday | #30 | |
CanonRay | Friday | #6 | |
sarge43 | Friday | #35 | |
Auggie | Friday | #7 | |
chowder66 | Friday | #8 | |
3auld6phart | Saturday | #55 | |
Backseat Driver | Friday | #9 | |
Novara | Friday | #10 | |
QED | Friday | #11 | |
Duppers | Friday | #26 | |
Paladin | Friday | #12 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Friday | #13 | |
Kaleva | Friday | #20 | |
Hassin Bin Sober | Saturday | #48 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Saturday | #49 | |
Hassin Bin Sober | Saturday | #51 | |
RussBLib | Friday | #14 | |
cstanleytech | Friday | #18 | |
Javaman | Friday | #15 | |
cstanleytech | Friday | #17 | |
pirsquared | Friday | #34 | |
intheflow | Saturday | #47 | |
republianmushroom | Friday | #19 | |
Botany | Friday | #21 | |
paleotn | Friday | #22 | |
Aristus | Friday | #23 | |
Duppers | Friday | #27 | |
gopiscrap | Saturday | #50 | |
Cha | Friday | #25 | |
Kid Berwyn | Saturday | #41 | |
IbogaProject | Friday | #28 | |
dalton99a | Friday | #29 | |
purr-rat beauty | Friday | #32 | |
Wuddles440 | Friday | #40 | |
James48 | Saturday | #42 | |
twodogsbarking | Saturday | #44 | |
The Wizard | Saturday | #45 | |
LiberalFighter | Saturday | #52 | |
Martin68 | Saturday | #53 |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:45 PM
Wonder Why (251 posts)
1. Should have been closer to 20 than 2. Violation of his oath as an officer.
Response to Wonder Why (Reply #1)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 05:58 PM
cstanleytech (24,768 posts)
16. Technically only if he was a current member of the military or a member of the reserves.
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #16)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:07 PM
sarge43 (28,678 posts)
36. Retirees are subject to UCMJ, Article 2.
Once he serves the sentence DoD can bring him up on charges.
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Response to sarge43 (Reply #36)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:29 AM
cstanleytech (24,768 posts)
43. I said technically not legally.
Response to Wonder Why (Reply #1)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:12 PM
Duppers (26,262 posts)
24. Hell yes.
Last edited Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:16 PM - Edit history (1) He should have his pension revoked and get a dishonorable discharge. Biden being commander in chief could do that.
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Response to Duppers (Reply #24)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:59 PM
sarge43 (28,678 posts)
33. To be dismissed he would have to be convicted by a General Court Martial.
DoD might pull his pension during his slammer vacation - can't play, won't pay.
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Response to sarge43 (Reply #33)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:20 PM
Duppers (26,262 posts)
37. Oh, thanks.
I corrected my other mistake too. I'm Irish & am having a nip. 💚 🍀
![]() Btw, Why wouldn't a conviction in a civil court count against him? If he were tried in Military Court for the same crime he was convicted for in Civil Court, that would be double jeopardy, no? ![]() |
Response to Duppers (Reply #37)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:51 PM
sarge43 (28,678 posts)
38. It should, but there is that, double jeop; however,
a retired commissioned officer can be reactivated based on charges for certain crimes. Sedition is one. I wouldn't bet the farm that will happen, but it could give him something more to sweat while he's enjoying the ambiance of our prison system.
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Response to sarge43 (Reply #38)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 02:34 AM
COL Mustard (4,632 posts)
56. He might *wish* he was in the USDB
Civilian prisons are much harsher than military prisons. Let him rot there for awhile. He won’t like it.
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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #56)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:03 AM
sarge43 (28,678 posts)
58. It does delight the imagination. n/t
Response to Duppers (Reply #37)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:45 PM
Shipwack (1,742 posts)
39. Double Jeopardy wouldn't apply...
Back in boot camp they explained to us that if we were convicted of drunk driving (for instance) in a civilian court, we could then be convicted of drunk driving in a military court. Double jeopardy would not apply, because they are two separate laws. You can't be convicted of breaking the same law twice, but you can be convicted for your actions twice...
Or maybe they were just lying to us... Who knows. : ![]() |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:45 PM
Faux pas (13,626 posts)
2. ...
Two effing years?!?!??!!!
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Response to Faux pas (Reply #2)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:45 PM
Probatim (1,744 posts)
31. The 21 year old on another thread got 40 months - and he was just a dumbass.
This guy had a plan. FFS.
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Response to Faux pas (Reply #2)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 08:02 AM
intheflow (27,576 posts)
46. Yeah, this a bullshit sentence.
Two years is just enough time for him to miss the next election while also giving him two years with nothing to do but fine tune his violent plans to overthrow the government. The justice system is severely broken.
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Response to Faux pas (Reply #2)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 11:59 AM
NullTuples (5,088 posts)
59. Black guys get 10x that for having a joint on them.
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:46 PM
TreasonousBastard (42,083 posts)
3. Wow! We're not at war, so it's not treason, but it's definitely...
something that begs jail time.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:46 PM
Bev54 (7,748 posts)
4. Prosecution wanted 5 years, I believe. 2 is not long enough for this guy.
Response to Bev54 (Reply #4)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 02:36 AM
COL Mustard (4,632 posts)
57. Unless he's started working with the Feds
In hopes of a lighter sentence. You know, a rat!
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:47 PM
RockRaven (12,342 posts)
5. 'Especially reprehensible' that the sentence is so light...
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:49 PM
CanonRay (13,056 posts)
6. An officer receiving a pension is still subject to the UCMJ
they could reinstate him to active duty and try him for treason. Slap on the wrist.
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Response to CanonRay (Reply #6)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 09:02 PM
sarge43 (28,678 posts)
35. Sedition more likely
General Court no doubt. Not an affair where you want to be the guest of honor.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:49 PM
Auggie (29,837 posts)
7. Maximum he faced was 20 years and a $250,000 fine
Actual fine was $2000.00.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:54 PM
chowder66 (7,927 posts)
8. This is a major let down. He should be in prison for a long, long time.
Response to chowder66 (Reply #8)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:52 PM
3auld6phart (678 posts)
55. Yes
leaven worth . Recalled to active service,forfeit pension. Max sentence to MilitetPrison. Tota uckin’ scum.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:57 PM
Backseat Driver (3,427 posts)
9. How long has he been retired?
This one surely didn't serve with honor to his open-ended oath; he certainly should not be entitled to double-dip SS and a military pension!
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:58 PM
Novara (4,494 posts)
10. "Reprehensible" two years?
HE GOT LESS THAN THE MINIMUM RECOMMENDED SENTENCE. LESS THAN MINIMUM.
"Justice" is a joke. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 05:11 PM
Paladin (26,556 posts)
12. Look at what a retired Lt. Col. was willing to do for trump.
We are so very fucked.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 05:13 PM
Fiendish Thingy (12,173 posts)
13. Brock was one of the insurrectionists with zip ties, IIRC
Not the guy who was there with his mom, Brock was the other one.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #13)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:12 PM
Kaleva (33,999 posts)
20. I was wondering if that was him
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #13)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:39 PM
Hassin Bin Sober (25,465 posts)
48. Isn't this the guy whose ex wife turned him in?
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #48)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:20 PM
Fiendish Thingy (12,173 posts)
49. I think there was more than one of those...
Most well known being Stewart Rhodes, leader of the Oath Keepers, who was convicted of seditious conspiracy and other felonies, and is facing up to 80 years in prison.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #49)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 03:15 PM
Hassin Bin Sober (25,465 posts)
51. Lol. Yes. I had to google it. Brock's wife turned him in before the cleanup was even done.
Arrested a week later
https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/11/ex-wife-turned-in-retired-lieutenant-colonel-with-zip-ties-at-capitol/
CAPITOL RIOT ARRESTS Veteran with Zip Ties ... EX-WIFE REPORTED HIM TO FEDS |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 05:24 PM
RussBLib (7,050 posts)
14. Sad to think
...that some of our military "leaders" fell prey to this bullshit. Unless they were democracy-hating white supremacist fascists in hiding all along.
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Response to RussBLib (Reply #14)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:03 PM
cstanleytech (24,768 posts)
18. Unfortunately there are actually people in the military as law enforcement like that but
the problem is a lot of them are good at concealing it which tarnishes the ones who are not like that.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 05:44 PM
Javaman (60,936 posts)
15. should be stripped of his pension and his va benefits. fuck him. nt
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:00 PM
cstanleytech (24,768 posts)
17. He got off with an extraordinarily light sentence given the manifesto he had written.
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #17)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:59 PM
pirsquared (56 posts)
34. prison is awful
Let us remember how awful prison is. Total humiliation being checked in, body cavity search. No privacy at all for 2 years; no snacks; no sex (masturbation is forbidden--really); the first year is probably the worst, getting settled in to the new regimen.
And forever listing this conviction and hiatus on your resume and life story. |
Response to pirsquared (Reply #34)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 08:10 AM
intheflow (27,576 posts)
47. And let us remember the manifesto this guy wrote.
He wanted to use his military training against fellow citizens. He broke his oath to uphold the Constitution and protect it against aggressors, foreign and domestic. Two years is just long enough to give him all the time he needs to refine his plans while giving him hope he’ll be out with time enough left in his miserable life to carry them out.
Edited to add: if he’s allowed to keep his military pension he won’t need to find a job. If he loses it, he could still have set up some kickass retirement account. And even if he’s got zip for retirement, there will always be some jingoistic MAGAt to give him work under the table. Or he can become an expert on Fox! |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:12 PM
republianmushroom (5,635 posts)
19. like it
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:14 PM
Botany (67,348 posts)
21. Commander Whiz Nuts! Larry Brock.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:16 PM
paleotn (15,716 posts)
22. Take away his pension and VA benefits.
Let him die in poverty. He deserves vastly worse.
If democracy is worth dying for, attempting to destroy democracy should be met with the same. |
Response to paleotn (Reply #22)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:03 PM
Aristus (61,612 posts)
23. Take away his oak leaves, too.
That will hurt him. Put him down in the roll of retirees as a private. He is no gentleman, therefore, no officer.
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Response to paleotn (Reply #22)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:14 PM
Duppers (26,262 posts)
27. YES! +1000
TY.
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Response to paleotn (Reply #22)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:23 PM
gopiscrap (22,932 posts)
50. yes! I got 18 months for filing too many and too frequent
bankruptcies due to huge non insured medical bills I had cancer back before you couldn't kick some off of insurance, ran up a $192,000 medical bill. For the poor you either do time or send in money I had no money, spent 13 months in a federal prison and had my debt reduced by agreement to $10,001.00
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:12 PM
Cha (283,886 posts)
25. WTF.. only 2 years for that SHIT?!
So what happens when that Murderous Traitor gets out of jail?
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Response to Cha (Reply #25)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:30 AM
Kid Berwyn (11,500 posts)
41. Col. ZipTies deserves 25 times that.
Perhaps other, more serious charges await him. Conspiracy to overthrow the government, could be one.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:19 PM
IbogaProject (1,670 posts)
28. What? He was one of the zip-tie dudes
I'm not happy about this. Kids have gotten 5 or more years for weed albeit over a certain number of plants or pounds, but this guy went in with one or more weapons. I'm counting zip-tie handcuffs as those are clearly for a single purpose.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:29 PM
dalton99a (74,341 posts)
29. What a fucking joke
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:47 PM
purr-rat beauty (440 posts)
32. Shoulda got what trump wanted
10 years
why isn't this being brought up in the media? how kiddy gloved this crap is |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:47 PM
Wuddles440 (918 posts)
40. While there have been some really...
appalling sentences for several of the most prominent insurrectionists, this is easily the greatest miscarriage of justice to date. An absolute travesty!
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:00 AM
James48 (4,061 posts)
42. He should be tried for violation of UCMJ Article 88.
ARTICLE 88. Contempt toward Officials |
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:27 AM
twodogsbarking (6,016 posts)
44. Traitor.
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:55 AM
The Wizard (12,071 posts)
45. He should be recalled to active duty, court martialed
convicted and have his government pension revoked.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 03:19 PM
LiberalFighter (45,559 posts)
52. Did the judge even consider those points?
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:38 PM
Martin68 (20,335 posts)
53. So why did he get off so easy if prosecutors were asking for 5 years and that was the low end
of the recommended range for this crimes?
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