Mother cries out in court after youngest N.C. defendant in Jan. 6 riot gets 3 1/2 years

I often mention that male brains are not fully mature until they are around 23 years old. Much easier to draft soldiers for wars too.

be in the Air Force, will he?

when we were his age, at 18 YO we were fighting for the right to vote which was 21. All the time, many 18 YO were dieing in Vietnam for freedoms and those freedoms didn't include this young man's right to try to overthrow the U.S. Government and a legitimate election.

Buy a Ticket, take the ride...............Or more succinctly, You grew it, you chew it...........

In countless other countries, these insurrectionists wouldn't have made it past January 7th.........

aiden bilyard

in general population.

Put them in general population. Why are they being separated?

The last thing we need is a cluster of insurrectionists persuading other inmates to join their cause.

But your bloodlust is duly noted.

Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be traitors....

That, whether her fault or his, he went the wrong way.

That tune Practically writes itself!

If I lose, my bad.

Fuck him. I hope he does every minute.

This wasn't the first event he attended connected with the orange idiot.

He seems sorry for his actions and as Americans we should forgive. Yes, he did wrong but we should never become what we hate.

... is great and your point is spot-on. But the young man has been treated with fair justice and the judge granted leniency. We can't let him walk free.

I believe he deserves his punishment.

Gracious. He is obviously sorry he that he was caught, charged, convicted, and now faces incarceration. But, unless you have been in communication with him, you can only speculate on if he is "sorry." After his eventual release, we will likely find out more. I do hope that during his incarceration, he is able to fully grasp what he did wrong.

I can't speak for anyone else about potential "hate." I've only seen people who believe that those who threatened democracy -- including assaulting police -- face serious legal consequences. It puzzles me that anyone confuses that for "hate." And I doubt any sincere DUers are at risk of becoming someone attacking our government.

Just my opinion.

He deserves his punishment.

Seems genuine to me.

At the same time, one might speculate that he did so in order to reduce his own legal consequences. That also tends to be at least equally genuine. Just my opinion, of course.

I do recogize that I am a bit rigid in this area. I believe that Gandi and King were correct, that if you break the law, you willingly submit to the consequences for your actions. Of course, I understand and appreciate why law enforcement benefits from pressuring people to rat on others. It is most often one of the best tools they have.

Before retiring, while working on forensic cases, I think I was most effective in evaluating people by not allowing any emotion to play a role. Not hate or disgust, nor pity or forgiveness. The county judge appreciated that I was able to do so. Thus, there were times when someone refused to rat on others that it suggested they were flint-hard anti-socials, firmly embedded in the criminal code of conduct, and unlikely to change ..... kind of like the mobsters of yesteryear. There were other times when the refusal seemed more rooted in an understanding that their criminal behaviors were deserving of harsh consequences, and thus they seemed more likely to change their ways.

That sounds like something I would hear on Fux Ruse.

Justice was served.

It doesn't have anything to do with a feeling of hatred toward the perpetrator. Those who feel the need to forgive are free to do so, but he got a just punishment for his crime.

He’s only sorry he got caught. Any expressions of remorse in the courtroom are just a childish attempt to get leniency.

These are Trump’s people. They’re not capable of self-reflection, remorse, or a desire to atone.

100%

How about the black and brown ones serving prison sentences much longer than this guy?

apologists.

3 1/2 years not long enough

..if these defendants were black and trying to keep Obama in office. Death penalty/traitors/constitution/police respect...

there would be no defendants to go to trial. They would have mowed them down on Jan. 6th without hesitation.

on fire at a dealership. IIRC he got 25 years.

The case you cite involved William Cottrell. He was a 23 year old college graduate ("youngster"?) who was arrested in March 2004 in connection with arson attacks that destroyed or seriously damaged over 100 vehicles as part of an environmental protest. He was charged with seven counts of arson, conspiracy to commit arson, and one count of using a destructive device during a crime of violence. The latter charge was subsequently dropped. In April 2005, he was found guilty and sentenced to serve 100 months on the arson charges and 100 months, to be served concurrently, on the conspiracy charge...in other words, his sentence was for 8 years, four months (not "25 years". He appealed his convictions and in September 2009 the 9th Circuit vacated the arson conviction and sentence, but affirmed the conspiracy sentence and remanded the case to the District Court to decide Cottrell's sentence. Although DOJ labelled Cottrell and the Earth Liberation Front with which he was affiliated as "eco-terrorists", DOJ decided not to retry Cottrell for the arson charges, the District Court decided, in November 2009, that Cottrell should serve the rest of the original 100 month sentence for the conspiracy charge. If he had served the entire sentence, he would have been released in September 2012. However, pursuant to early release guidelines, he was let out of prison in August 2011, after serving (from time of arrest ), around 7.5 years.

In short, longer sentence the Jan 6. insurrectionist, but nowhere near "25 years".

Ashli Babbitt should have complied, isn't that what you dipsh*ts tell me every time cops shoot some black woman asleep in her own bed. - Jeff Tiedrich

for a long, long time once he gets out of jail. Not that many good jobs out there for ex-cons.

It is kind of sad that he ruined his life so young, and for nothing. But he had his fun, and those who play must pay.

But this punk did the crime, and no he needs to do the time!

Cry me a river.

He has a slight hearing impairment. They wouldn't take him even with corrected hearing. I'm an Air Force veteran and it is very painful. They will take thugs, but they won't take a good kid. Very concerning to me.

Kitchen or woodworking so he'll be able to maybe find work in 3 years.

that would reflect the head count of where these clowns call home. Both adjudicated and charged but yet to be convicted/sentenced. I'm wondering if the insurrectionists have a large representation as coming from the states that are now trying to ban books, rewrite history etc. I know as a whole it seems every state had their clowns but was it more prevalent in states that seem to favor a trend towards their population being ignorant of the truth? A conscious effort perhaps on the part of the nefarious big movers/shakers/funders in the GQP to have a larger and growing percentage of their population "dumbed down", less nuanced in their thinking and more susceptible to being whipped into belief/action by propaganda?

https://seditiontracker.com/suspects/by_state

As I scrolled through the list Florida did stand out, although there are a number of states that had a greater number of insurrectionists. Generally the larger states seem to have more, like Texas and NY, but it's interesting to scroll through. There are so many.

I originally got the link from DU years ago now.
https://seditiontracker.com/

The home page gives information about the latest arrests and convictions, and then there are several pages that list the magats by date, name, residence (state) and status.

Coulda, shoulda, dida??

Too late now Mother.

Somebody call the wahhhhmbulance!

but he still did it. So, I guess time to pay the piper.