Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:53 PM
swag (26,394 posts)
Wyoming Becomes First State to Outlaw Abortion Pills
Source: New York Times
By David W. Chen and Pam Belluck March 17, 2023 Updated 11:19 p.m. ET 6 MIN READ Wyoming on Friday became the first state to ban the use of abortion pills, adding momentum to a growing push by conservative states and anti-abortion groups to target medication abortion, the method now used in a majority of pregnancy terminations in the United States. Wyoming’s new law comes as a preliminary ruling is expected soon by a Texas judge that could order the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to withdraw its approval of mifepristone, the first pill in the two-drug medication abortion regimen. Such a ruling, if it stands, could upend how abortion is provided nationally, affecting states where abortion is legal as well as states with bans and restrictions. Legislation to ban or add restrictions on medication abortion has been introduced in several states this year, including a bill in Texas that would not only ban abortion pills but also require internet service providers to take steps to block medication abortion websites so people in Texas could not view them. In these states, proposals to block or restrict abortion pills have typically been introduced along with other anti-abortion measures, a reflection of the range of obstacles to abortion these states have tried to erect since the Supreme Court overturned the national right to abortion last June. Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/17/us/wyoming-abortion-pills-ban.html?unlocked_article_code=xXIVppCeFczng5NZ0ng2HjfosoLDR8weSn54hAYKFhwqr7D_0XO_gplHU2Y6AIasaCglasVpMztlqyYoRfhbFSfqvB9sAgCDbjt30bJEOt-l2YTI6ZcuM6TDqHZm10w45gXUU9b_nVndMfLAQgI8olHnGyaQ1aZbeon5cl3zbAnXJwV-D_9cR4YGrPqOkqVy2gMafg3Y5GyOEjkzcDrqCXBKPtXbPmeuz1Ij1evKhK4PjRSyxWBiK7FMmh5g-Xau_bjR5gXdIJpD1-WXy2SNihrLXe-EwSz_VJ2TixhvOOYL-oeekfRyNPv-Qy4hsEBkGgewOeyWJuvxLvB8NFFp&smid=url-share
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swag | Friday | OP |
True Dough | Friday | #1 | |
2naSalit | Saturday | #5 | |
CTyankee | Saturday | #19 | |
2naSalit | Saturday | #20 | |
paleotn | Saturday | #31 | |
marybourg | Saturday | #33 | |
Skittles | Saturday | #9 | |
Matthew28 | Saturday | #13 | |
Skittles | Saturday | #14 | |
Demanchor | Saturday | #15 | |
dchill | Friday | #2 | |
greatauntoftriplets | Friday | #3 | |
Zambero | Saturday | #4 | |
OhZone | Saturday | #6 | |
Baked Potato | Saturday | #7 | |
madamesilverspurs | Saturday | #8 | |
Samrob | Saturday | #10 | |
Dan | Saturday | #36 | |
sakabatou | Saturday | #11 | |
AZLD4Candidate | Saturday | #12 | |
BlueMTexpat | Saturday | #24 | |
electric_blue68 | Saturday | #28 | |
nowforever | Saturday | #16 | |
Lonestarblue | Saturday | #17 | |
murielm99 | Saturday | #18 | |
BlueMTexpat | Saturday | #25 | |
electric_blue68 | Saturday | #29 | |
Lonestarblue | Saturday | #30 | |
electric_blue68 | Saturday | #32 | |
raging moderate | Saturday | #21 | |
Marthe48 | Saturday | #23 | |
CTyankee | Saturday | #26 | |
ancianita | Saturday | #22 | |
HariSeldon | Saturday | #27 | |
in2herbs | Saturday | #34 | |
Stuart G | Saturday | #35 | |
emulatorloo | 19 hrs ago | #40 | |
Farmer-Rick | Sunday | #37 | |
Prairie_Seagull | Sunday | #38 | |
CrispyQ | Sunday | #39 |
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:55 PM
True Dough (15,041 posts)
1. What? Wyoming?
Well, there goes that state's reputation for being so progressive!
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Response to True Dough (Reply #1)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:00 AM
2naSalit (69,930 posts)
5. I'm having...
A hard time remembering a time when it ever was.
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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #5)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:17 AM
CTyankee (61,569 posts)
19. well, it was the first state to grant women the right to vote!
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/woman-suffrage/
So I ask, what happened to you Wyoming? |
Response to CTyankee (Reply #19)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:30 AM
2naSalit (69,930 posts)
20. I live next to that state...
And have for over thirty years. I'm still wondering.
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Response to CTyankee (Reply #19)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:28 PM
paleotn (15,712 posts)
31. And refused statehood without women's suffrage
when Congress pushed back in 1890.
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Response to CTyankee (Reply #19)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:16 PM
marybourg (11,471 posts)
33. It needed a higher voter count to qualify for admission to
Last edited Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:59 PM - Edit history (1) the Union. But, neverless, it swallowed hard and did it.
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Response to True Dough (Reply #1)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:30 AM
Skittles (148,503 posts)
9. they hate Big Government
unless it gets between a woman and her doctor
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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:29 AM
Matthew28 (1,629 posts)
13. The only time they hate government
Is when it helps the little guy. Otherwise they're all for big massive controlling government. These are sick people.
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Response to Matthew28 (Reply #13)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:45 AM
Skittles (148,503 posts)
14. it's very disappointing
no doubt they consider themselves great patriots while they are willing to deny half the population from making their own decisions
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Response to Skittles (Reply #14)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:20 AM
Demanchor (77 posts)
15. I'm in Colorado. I didn't expect less
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:56 PM
dchill (34,907 posts)
2. Winner winner chicken dinner.
Response to swag (Original post)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:57 PM
greatauntoftriplets (174,466 posts)
3. Damn them to hell.
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:00 AM
Zambero (8,189 posts)
4. Next up on the theocratic social engineering agenda
Contraception.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:02 AM
OhZone (3,201 posts)
6. Like I keep saying, the cure is Lesbianism
ha
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:03 AM
Baked Potato (7,350 posts)
7. Seems like Prohibition to me. Nt
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:13 AM
madamesilverspurs (15,378 posts)
8. Irony
Today's final Jeopardy was (paraphrasing) "This state declined statehood unless it included all the women." The correct response, "What is Wyoming?"
Sad, ain't it? . |
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:38 AM
Samrob (4,096 posts)
10. What is their current birth rate? Not much sex going on there? nt
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:39 AM
sakabatou (40,216 posts)
11. Wyoming wants to make women have to travel out of state to get the procedure
placing undue burden on many.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:12 AM
AZLD4Candidate (4,491 posts)
12. The first state that granted women's suffrage is the first state to make women second class.
Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #12)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:25 AM
BlueMTexpat (15,130 posts)
24. That is the irony and
the tragedy!
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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #24)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:58 PM
electric_blue68 (10,885 posts)
28. The irony Burns! 😔 🤬
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 05:11 AM
nowforever (144 posts)
16. Now if they'd only...
Outlaw black cowboy hats and rifles mounted in the back windows of their pickups that would be a significant step forward. The men in that state still think their living in the 19th century and progress to them is chew on the left sides of their mouths.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:12 AM
Lonestarblue (7,345 posts)
17. The ayatollahs in Wyoming have spoken. Women will soon have no rights.
I’m sure if Republicans had the power to nullify the 19th Amendment, they would. Women could not own property until the beginning of the 20th century. Will Republicans take away that right, too? They seem determined to force women back into the 1700s. What is appalling is the number of women who vote with them and support taking away their own rights.
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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #17)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:58 AM
murielm99 (29,629 posts)
18. And yet Wyoming was the first to allow
women's suffrage. We need to remind them of this and get them to take pride in their heritage.
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Response to murielm99 (Reply #18)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:26 AM
BlueMTexpat (15,130 posts)
25. Indeed! eom
Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #17)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:04 PM
electric_blue68 (10,885 posts)
29. Oh, let me tell you...Back when I listened to Limbaugh (checking in on the enemy) when Bill Clinton.
..was elected President - Rushbo got calls to take away women's right to vote. It was horific!
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Response to electric_blue68 (Reply #29)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:53 PM
Lonestarblue (7,345 posts)
30. The religious right and other right-wing groups want to send women's rights back to the 1700s.
Women could not vote, could not own property in their own names, could not run for public office, could not become a lawyer or doctor. It was not until 1849 that Elizabeth Blackwell was granted an MD to practice medicine.
But you know what right women did have then? They could have an abortion because it was not illegal. Ben Franklin even published a recipe for an herbal mixture to bring on the menses. The country is regressing because of a bunch of religious extremists think that white men, preferably carrying guns, are the only people who should have civil rights and personal autonomy. |
Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #30)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:36 PM
electric_blue68 (10,885 posts)
32. Rest, have fun, then keep resisting Gilead! Truly hideous!
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:32 AM
raging moderate (3,693 posts)
21. Anti-abortion people believe the word "zygote" was made up to justify abortion.
Last edited Mon Mar 20, 2023, 09:44 AM - Edit history (2) I actually was accused of making up the word "zygote" by an anti-abortionist on Facebook, after I wrote a somewhat detailed explanation of how the tiny product of conception gradually changes into an actual organism. They seem to believe that we all spring to life fully formed, just too tiny to see. I think this was a legitimate worry long ago, before microscopes and chemical analysis and medical research showed the truth about human conception and development. The anti-abortion people do not even know about the older understandings of how late in the pregnancy the brain and nervous system actually begin to exist and then become capable of awareness or pain sensations. And they do not know about the more recent discovery that the actual heart with a heartbeat does not occur as early as first thought, or that the actual brain with brainwaves does not occur as early as first thought. They think that a functioning human, fully capable of fear and pain, springs into being immediately. They do not know about the very recent discovery that at least half of all fertilized eggs are flushed out of the woman's body without any sign of ever having existed.
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Response to raging moderate (Reply #21)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:03 AM
Marthe48 (12,211 posts)
23. Homunculus
Belief an unborn human was formed complete, in miniature at conception.
And Dark Age men could kill their wives if the baby didn't look exactly like the husband. (I heard that in either h.s. in the late 60s, or college in early 70s.) |
Response to raging moderate (Reply #21)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:11 AM
CTyankee (61,569 posts)
26. So that makes God the biggest abortionist that there can possibly be?
And we are made in God's image so...
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:42 AM
ancianita (30,814 posts)
22. The law only criminally penalizes the commercial distributors, not the actual users.
The new law says that it will be “unlawful to prescribe, dispense, distribute, sell or use any drug for the purpose of procuring or performing an abortion.”
The law includes penalties of up to six months’ imprisonment and a fine of up to $9,000. But it exempts people who take abortion pills from criminal liability. It also allows drugs to be used in case they are needed to treat “natural miscarriages.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/wyoming-abortion-laws-pill-mifepristone/ Wyoming women could still access these pills themselves, (through a friend or relative in another state) and if in the unlikely event of their being caught using abortifacients, only face a civil misdemeanor charge. To enforce this law-in-commerce (cover for the theocratic/patriarchal control of females), the state will have to keep all drug businesses and women under complete, constant state surveillance. Wyoming's SC could over turn this ban as unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment, as was determined by the SCOTUS, since state constitutions cannot override the US Constitution in limiting rights -- even if they currently do. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases Constitutions in 10 states -- Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, and New Mexico — have been interpreted by state high courts to guarantee the right to abortion or protect access more strongly than the federal constitution. Other state legislatures have passed laws protecting abortion rights. Many states, however, have made abortion illegal.
Because of the legal precedents set by at least these ten states, the rest of rights-denying states can can be challenged in their denying women the fundamental right to privacy beyond any state interest. The banning commerce from offering them an abortifacient product could be challenged as well. This isn't over. There is a path forward, depending on the federal district that allows it. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:15 AM
HariSeldon (361 posts)
27. This is the first I've heard of Texan Internet restrictions
My hope would be that those are either overturned on First Amendment grounds or all the Texas ISPs say "meh, too dangerous...no Internet for you" to the whole state.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 05:42 PM
in2herbs (2,827 posts)
34. So Wyoming wants to outlaw a medicine that's been legal for more tha 20 years? nt
Response to swag (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:06 PM
Stuart G (36,567 posts)
35. I wonder? wonder? What about tourism to Wyoming? Will this hurt tourism?
Yellowstone National Park... ........Visitors: 3,806,306 (in 2020)???
What do you think will happen this summer? A lot of tourists are....."WOMEN" ... ........ NOT..NICE TO WOMEN ARE THEY?........... ...................SO..................... .............LET'S SAY THAT TOURISM IN WYOMING IS CUT IN HALF...TO 1.9 MILLION...... .............What will that do to Wyoming's Economy? ....Women can decide .......NOT TO GO TO WYOMING FOR TOURISM----- ................CAN'T THEY? What do you think?....................................................STUART THINKS THAT THIS WILL HAVE A .DEVISTATING AFFECT ON TOURISM TO WYOMING. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AND STUART WILL BE TOTALL RIGHT ON THIS ONE.... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() .............................. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() AND THE CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS DID ..NOT THINK OF THIS ASPECT.. ONLY THEIR RIGHTEOUS BULLLSHIT! |
Response to Stuart G (Reply #35)
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 09:29 AM
emulatorloo (41,142 posts)
40. We were going to visit Grand Teton National Park this fall. Not going to happen now.
Like you, I think their economy is going to be hurt.
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 12:02 PM
Farmer-Rick (8,317 posts)
37. Will they be searching pregnant women at the borders?
Will they be handing out the death penalty for women who have abortions? Kill those women who won't be forced into birthing babies?
Will they jail women for talking about abortions? Will they arrest women for writing in favor of abortions? Will they jail women who are at risk of getting an abortion? Sounds like a modern version of witch burning. |
Response to swag (Original post)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 12:12 PM
Prairie_Seagull (1,335 posts)
38. Yellowstone while being crowded is sumer is stil a wonder and people come from all over-
the country to vacation there. They spend lots of money in the doing. I sure hope this decision does not effect tourism
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Response to swag (Original post)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 02:14 PM
CrispyQ (33,831 posts)
39. Spread this far & wide.
Pregnancy tissue at six weeks. The Guardian article with more images: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue |