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(26,487 posts)
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:53 PM Mar 2023

Wyoming Becomes First State to Outlaw Abortion Pills

Source: New York Times


By David W. Chen and Pam Belluck
March 17, 2023
Updated 11:19 p.m. ET
6 MIN READ

Wyoming on Friday became the first state to ban the use of abortion pills, adding momentum to a growing push by conservative states and anti-abortion groups to target medication abortion, the method now used in a majority of pregnancy terminations in the United States.

Wyoming’s new law comes as a preliminary ruling is expected soon by a Texas judge that could order the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to withdraw its approval of mifepristone, the first pill in the two-drug medication abortion regimen. Such a ruling, if it stands, could upend how abortion is provided nationally, affecting states where abortion is legal as well as states with bans and restrictions.

Legislation to ban or add restrictions on medication abortion has been introduced in several states this year, including a bill in Texas that would not only ban abortion pills but also require internet service providers to take steps to block medication abortion websites so people in Texas could not view them.

In these states, proposals to block or restrict abortion pills have typically been introduced along with other anti-abortion measures, a reflection of the range of obstacles to abortion these states have tried to erect since the Supreme Court overturned the national right to abortion last June.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/17/us/wyoming-abortion-pills-ban.html?unlocked_article_code=xXIVppCeFczng5NZ0ng2HjfosoLDR8weSn54hAYKFhwqr7D_0XO_gplHU2Y6AIasaCglasVpMztlqyYoRfhbFSfqvB9sAgCDbjt30bJEOt-l2YTI6ZcuM6TDqHZm10w45gXUU9b_nVndMfLAQgI8olHnGyaQ1aZbeon5cl3zbAnXJwV-D_9cR4YGrPqOkqVy2gMafg3Y5GyOEjkzcDrqCXBKPtXbPmeuz1Ij1evKhK4PjRSyxWBiK7FMmh5g-Xau_bjR5gXdIJpD1-WXy2SNihrLXe-EwSz_VJ2TixhvOOYL-oeekfRyNPv-Qy4hsEBkGgewOeyWJuvxLvB8NFFp&smid=url-share

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Wyoming Becomes First State to Outlaw Abortion Pills (Original Post) swag Mar 2023 OP
What? Wyoming? True Dough Mar 2023 #1
I'm having... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #5
well, it was the first state to grant women the right to vote! CTyankee Mar 2023 #19
I live next to that state... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #20
And refused statehood without women's suffrage paleotn Mar 2023 #31
It needed a higher voter count to qualify for admission to marybourg Mar 2023 #33
they hate Big Government Skittles Mar 2023 #9
The only time they hate government Matthew28 Mar 2023 #13
it's very disappointing Skittles Mar 2023 #14
I'm in Colorado. I didn't expect less Demanchor Mar 2023 #15
Winner winner chicken dinner. dchill Mar 2023 #2
Damn them to hell. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2023 #3
Next up on the theocratic social engineering agenda Zambero Mar 2023 #4
Like I keep saying, the cure is Lesbianism OhZone Mar 2023 #6
Seems like Prohibition to me. Nt Baked Potato Mar 2023 #7
Irony madamesilverspurs Mar 2023 #8
What is their current birth rate? Not much sex going on there? nt Samrob Mar 2023 #10
They have sheep Dan Mar 2023 #36
Wyoming wants to make women have to travel out of state to get the procedure sakabatou Mar 2023 #11
The first state that granted women's suffrage is the first state to make women second class. AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #12
That is the irony and BlueMTexpat Mar 2023 #24
The irony Burns! 😔 🤬 electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #28
Now if they'd only... nowforever Mar 2023 #16
The ayatollahs in Wyoming have spoken. Women will soon have no rights. Lonestarblue Mar 2023 #17
And yet Wyoming was the first to allow murielm99 Mar 2023 #18
Indeed! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2023 #25
Oh, let me tell you...Back when I listened to Limbaugh (checking in on the enemy) when Bill Clinton. electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #29
The religious right and other right-wing groups want to send women's rights back to the 1700s. Lonestarblue Mar 2023 #30
Rest, have fun, then keep resisting Gilead! Truly hideous! electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #32
Anti-abortion people believe the word "zygote" was made up to justify abortion. raging moderate Mar 2023 #21
Homunculus Marthe48 Mar 2023 #23
So that makes God the biggest abortionist that there can possibly be? CTyankee Mar 2023 #26
The law only criminally penalizes the commercial distributors, not the actual users. ancianita Mar 2023 #22
This is the first I've heard of Texan Internet restrictions HariSeldon Mar 2023 #27
So Wyoming wants to outlaw a medicine that's been legal for more tha 20 years? nt in2herbs Mar 2023 #34
I wonder? wonder? What about tourism to Wyoming? Will this hurt tourism? Stuart G Mar 2023 #35
We were going to visit Grand Teton National Park this fall. Not going to happen now. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #40
Will they be searching pregnant women at the borders? Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #37
Yellowstone while being crowded is sumer is stil a wonder and people come from all over- Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #38
Spread this far & wide. CrispyQ Mar 2023 #39

marybourg

(12,620 posts)
33. It needed a higher voter count to qualify for admission to
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:16 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:59 PM - Edit history (1)

the Union. But, neverless, it swallowed hard and did it.

Matthew28

(1,797 posts)
13. The only time they hate government
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:29 AM
Mar 2023

Is when it helps the little guy. Otherwise they're all for big massive controlling government. These are sick people.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
14. it's very disappointing
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:45 AM
Mar 2023

no doubt they consider themselves great patriots while they are willing to deny half the population from making their own decisions

madamesilverspurs

(15,800 posts)
8. Irony
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:13 AM
Mar 2023

Today's final Jeopardy was (paraphrasing) "This state declined statehood unless it included all the women." The correct response, "What is Wyoming?"

Sad, ain't it?


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sakabatou

(42,148 posts)
11. Wyoming wants to make women have to travel out of state to get the procedure
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:39 AM
Mar 2023

placing undue burden on many.

nowforever

(302 posts)
16. Now if they'd only...
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 05:11 AM
Mar 2023

Outlaw black cowboy hats and rifles mounted in the back windows of their pickups that would be a significant step forward. The men in that state still think their living in the 19th century and progress to them is chew on the left sides of their mouths.

Lonestarblue

(9,977 posts)
17. The ayatollahs in Wyoming have spoken. Women will soon have no rights.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:12 AM
Mar 2023

I’m sure if Republicans had the power to nullify the 19th Amendment, they would. Women could not own property until the beginning of the 20th century. Will Republicans take away that right, too? They seem determined to force women back into the 1700s. What is appalling is the number of women who vote with them and support taking away their own rights.

murielm99

(30,735 posts)
18. And yet Wyoming was the first to allow
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:58 AM
Mar 2023

women's suffrage. We need to remind them of this and get them to take pride in their heritage.

electric_blue68

(14,887 posts)
29. Oh, let me tell you...Back when I listened to Limbaugh (checking in on the enemy) when Bill Clinton.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:04 PM
Mar 2023

..was elected President - Rushbo got calls to take away women's right to vote. It was horific!



Lonestarblue

(9,977 posts)
30. The religious right and other right-wing groups want to send women's rights back to the 1700s.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:53 PM
Mar 2023

Women could not vote, could not own property in their own names, could not run for public office, could not become a lawyer or doctor. It was not until 1849 that Elizabeth Blackwell was granted an MD to practice medicine.

But you know what right women did have then? They could have an abortion because it was not illegal. Ben Franklin even published a recipe for an herbal mixture to bring on the menses.

The country is regressing because of a bunch of religious extremists think that white men, preferably carrying guns, are the only people who should have civil rights and personal autonomy.

raging moderate

(4,297 posts)
21. Anti-abortion people believe the word "zygote" was made up to justify abortion.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:32 AM
Mar 2023

Last edited Mon Mar 20, 2023, 09:44 AM - Edit history (2)

I actually was accused of making up the word "zygote" by an anti-abortionist on Facebook, after I wrote a somewhat detailed explanation of how the tiny product of conception gradually changes into an actual organism. They seem to believe that we all spring to life fully formed, just too tiny to see. I think this was a legitimate worry long ago, before microscopes and chemical analysis and medical research showed the truth about human conception and development. The anti-abortion people do not even know about the older understandings of how late in the pregnancy the brain and nervous system actually begin to exist and then become capable of awareness or pain sensations. And they do not know about the more recent discovery that the actual heart with a heartbeat does not occur as early as first thought, or that the actual brain with brainwaves does not occur as early as first thought. They think that a functioning human, fully capable of fear and pain, springs into being immediately. They do not know about the very recent discovery that at least half of all fertilized eggs are flushed out of the woman's body without any sign of ever having existed.

Marthe48

(16,938 posts)
23. Homunculus
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:03 AM
Mar 2023

Belief an unborn human was formed complete, in miniature at conception.

And Dark Age men could kill their wives if the baby didn't look exactly like the husband. (I heard that in either h.s. in the late 60s, or college in early 70s.)

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
26. So that makes God the biggest abortionist that there can possibly be?
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:11 AM
Mar 2023

And we are made in God's image so...

ancianita

(36,028 posts)
22. The law only criminally penalizes the commercial distributors, not the actual users.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:42 AM
Mar 2023
The new law says that it will be “unlawful to prescribe, dispense, distribute, sell or use any drug for the purpose of procuring or performing an abortion.”

The law includes penalties of up to six months’ imprisonment and a fine of up to $9,000. But it exempts people who take abortion pills from criminal liability. It also allows drugs to be used in case they are needed to treat “natural miscarriages.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/wyoming-abortion-laws-pill-mifepristone/

Wyoming women could still access these pills themselves, (through a friend or relative in another state) and if in the unlikely event of their being caught using abortifacients, only face a civil misdemeanor charge.

To enforce this law-in-commerce (cover for the theocratic/patriarchal control of females), the state will have to keep all drug businesses and women under complete, constant state surveillance.

Wyoming's SC could over turn this ban as unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment, as was determined by the SCOTUS, since state constitutions cannot override the US Constitution in limiting rights -- even if they currently do.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases

Constitutions in 10 states -- Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, and New Mexico — have been interpreted by state high courts to guarantee the right to abortion or protect access more strongly than the federal constitution. Other state legislatures have passed laws protecting abortion rights. Many states, however, have made abortion illegal.


Because of the legal precedents set by at least these ten states, the rest of rights-denying states can can be challenged in their denying women the fundamental right to privacy beyond any state interest. The banning commerce from offering them an abortifacient product could be challenged as well.

This isn't over. There is a path forward, depending on the federal district that allows it.

HariSeldon

(455 posts)
27. This is the first I've heard of Texan Internet restrictions
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:15 AM
Mar 2023

My hope would be that those are either overturned on First Amendment grounds or all the Texas ISPs say "meh, too dangerous...no Internet for you" to the whole state.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
35. I wonder? wonder? What about tourism to Wyoming? Will this hurt tourism?
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:06 PM
Mar 2023
Yellowstone National Park... ........Visitors: 3,806,306 (in 2020)???

What do you think will happen this summer? A lot of tourists are....."WOMEN" ...

........ NOT..NICE TO WOMEN ARE THEY?...........
...................SO.....................

.............LET'S SAY THAT TOURISM IN WYOMING IS CUT IN HALF...TO 1.9 MILLION......

.............What will that do to Wyoming's Economy? ....Women can decide .......NOT TO GO TO WYOMING FOR TOURISM-----

................CAN'T THEY? What do you think?....................................................STUART THINKS THAT THIS WILL HAVE A .DEVISTATING AFFECT ON TOURISM TO WYOMING. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AND STUART WILL BE TOTALL RIGHT ON THIS ONE.
...

..............................


AND THE CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS DID ..NOT THINK OF THIS ASPECT.. ONLY THEIR RIGHTEOUS BULLLSHIT!

emulatorloo

(44,117 posts)
40. We were going to visit Grand Teton National Park this fall. Not going to happen now.
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 09:29 AM
Mar 2023

Like you, I think their economy is going to be hurt.

Farmer-Rick

(10,160 posts)
37. Will they be searching pregnant women at the borders?
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 12:02 PM
Mar 2023

Will they be handing out the death penalty for women who have abortions? Kill those women who won't be forced into birthing babies?

Will they jail women for talking about abortions? Will they arrest women for writing in favor of abortions? Will they jail women who are at risk of getting an abortion?

Sounds like a modern version of witch burning.

Prairie_Seagull

(3,318 posts)
38. Yellowstone while being crowded is sumer is stil a wonder and people come from all over-
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 12:12 PM
Mar 2023

the country to vacation there. They spend lots of money in the doing. I sure hope this decision does not effect tourism Or population.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
39. Spread this far & wide.
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 02:14 PM
Mar 2023
Pregnancy tissue at six weeks.

This does not have a heartbeat,
but it has more rights than you!




The Guardian article with more images: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue
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