Trump faces more than 30 counts related to business fraud, sources tell CNN

[TeamProg]

Source: CNN

Former President Donald Trump faces more than 30 counts related to business fraud in an indictment from a Manhattan grand jury, according to two sources familiar with the case.

Earlier Thursday, a spokesperson for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said the office has contacted Trump's attorney to "coordinate his surrender" for arraignment on "a Supreme Court indictment, which remains under seal."

"Guidance will be provided when the arraignment date is selected," it added.

Trump will likely appear in court early next week, his defense attorney said.



Read more: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-indictment-hush-money-stormy-daniels/h_f423b35c0432f4e78ddad2283fa04e45

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Wow, 30! Scroll down CNN page a little more than halfway.

[Beachnutt]

1. The book keeper flipped and

is singing like an opera singer.

[TeamProg]

2. You're probably right. David Pecker might have had a few words when he came in this week, too. nt

[Botany]

3. "Trump faces more than 30 charges about business related..

..fraud." And this is just the start.

[Traildogbob]

6. More than 30?

Hope it’s 45, and that damn Red hat with massive font would be pretty damn funny.

[Botany]

7. And that is just in Manhattan

with Bragg.

[Traildogbob]

10. Looks like

This is gonna be a “See You Next Tuesday” event.

[Marthe48]

4. Wow!

That's a lot!

[FBaggins]

17. Hard to say until we see the charging documents

For instance - I heard part of a recording that sounded like Cohen originally proposed paying him back over a series of monthly payments. If that was over three years then each check that was recorded as "legal fees" on the books would be a separate "count" of the same crime.

[zanana1]

19. A Mob boss never commits the crime himself.

That's why there are "fixers".

[Mysterian]

20. Mob bosses have more smarts than Trump

Trump is a gangster wannabe, born and raised in luxury.

[Tetrachloride]

5. wiki is boring, so far. but it's there's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_of_Donald_Trump

[Uncle Joe]

8. That sounds like it might be racketeering.

Thanks for the thread TeamProg

[FakeNoose]

9. CNN story is here (update of OP link)

Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury on more than 30 counts related to business fraud

(link) https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/politics/donald-trump-indictment/index.html

CNN — Donald Trump faces more than 30 counts related to business fraud in an indictment from a Manhattan grand jury, according to two sources familiar with the case – the first time in American history that a current or former president has faced criminal charges.

Trump is expected to appear in court on Tuesday.

The indictment has been filed under seal and will be announced in the coming days. The charges are not publicly known at this time.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office has been investigating the former president in connection with his alleged role in a hush money payment scheme and cover-up involving adult film star Stormy Daniels that dates to the 2016 presidential election. Grand jury proceedings are secret, but a source familiar with the case told CNN that a witness gave about 30 minutes of testimony before it voted to indict Trump.

The decision is sure to send shockwaves across the country, pushing the American political system – which has never seen one of its ex-leaders confronted with criminal charges, let alone while running again for president – into uncharted waters. Trump released a statement in response to the indictment claiming it was “Political Persecution and Election Interference at the highest level in history.”

- more at link -

[MichMan]

11. How many years behind bars will he get?

10 ? 20? or more ? Has anybody heard ?

[Botany]

12. And this is just the 1st round

Donny is fucked.

Earlier Thursday, a spokesperson for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said the office has contacted Trump's attorney to "coordinate his surrender" for arraignment on "a Supreme Court indictment, which remains under seal."

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

23. Not a NYer, never even been there

But isn't their "supreme court" the equivalent of a California Superior court, the place where standard (state-level) crimes are tried?

Always found that "supreme court" title confusing until I remember it's a regular court.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. 30 charges is a little difficult to distract from or sweep under the carpet

Regardless, the magats will scream continually about persecution and it becomes yet another victimhood story.

One of the biggest tropes they employ is like: "It's not him they are after, it's you. He's just in the way." So they can use the charges as part of their own victimhood story. Makes them feel a little bit more important.

[twodogsbarking]

14. I love New York.

If I can make it there
I'm gonna make it anywhere
It's up to you, New York
New York
New York

[jmowreader]

15. There is absolutely no way whatsoever...

...that you could get thirty separate business fraud charges out of the Stormy Daniels incident.

Or, to be blunt, ANY.

We've all been talking about Ms. Daniels for quite a while, but wouldn't it just be a hoot and a holler if, when the final indictment documents are released, there wasn't one sex-scandal-related charge in it?

[msfiddlestix]

21. Absolutely! That's what I've been thinking all along.

I feel like the business fraud charges just has to be unrelated.

but since I have no way of really knowing, Im just gonna get on with my personal life and try hard not to think about this until Tuesday.

Quite the challenge for me! LOL

[Deminpenn]

16. The counts might not be 30 different crimes, just

records of doing the same crime 30 different times. At least that's how I understood the lawyers who were on with O'Donnell last night. But, to make the indictment a felony, there has to be at least 1 charge that's different from the charge of falsifying business records which is a misdemeanor in NY.

[jmowreader]

22. So, you're thinking maybe 15 counts of tax evasion and 15 counts of money laundering?

That makes a lot of sense. This would bring the Trump Foundation into play; he used to have people pay debts they owed him by "making a contribution" to it. That way they could deduct the payment from their taxes as a charitable contribution.

If that's the case, they're going to have to put him in protective custody until trial. Anyone crooked enough to go for a scheme like that is also someone who knows a guy who knows a guy. Those people DO NOT LIKE the idea that they could go to prison too, so there's a nonzero chance that if he's allowed to remain free until trial he'll never go to trial because someone whacked him before his first appearance.

[Deminpenn]

24. Just pointing out that

there had to be some other charge to raise this from a misdemeanor to a felony. Your scenario is plausible, but I'm not a lawyer.

Trump isn't going to be held in jail no matter how much we might want it.

[SWBTATTReg]

18. And if they do get around to revealing the 30 counts or so, there's probably more being that

so many years of tax fraud have been going on for years and years, that I want them to itemize the dollar amounts that tRUMP stole from taxpayers by not paying his fair share. Put a dollar amount on the amount of fraud he did.

[ck4829]

25. K&R