Jeffrey Epstein scheduled meetings with Noam Chomsky, CIA director and others: report

[Polybius]

Source: Global news

A Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director, a top lawyer at Goldman Sachs and several high-profile academic scholars were reportedly named in Jeffrey Epstein‘s private calendar, new reports claim.


According to documents obtained by the Wall Street Journal, several previously unnamed figures may have met with Epstein after 2008, when he pleaded guilty to soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution.

The WSJ report, published on Sunday, named a number of people in Epstein’s calendar who had not been identified in his “black book,” which is now public. Among the names allegedly listed in Epstein’s calendar was the current CIA director William Burns, scholar Noam Chomsky, Bard College president Leon Botstein and top Goldman Sachs lawyer Kathryn Ruemmler.

Epstein’s “black book” previously named the likes of Prince Andrew and Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz.

Read more: https://globalnews.ca/news/9663991/jeffrey-epstein-calendar-scheduled-meetings-dates-cia-director-noam-chomsky/

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Chomsky’s response: “First response is that it is none of your business. Or anyone’s. Second is that I knew him and we met occasionally.”

[pnwmom]

1. Wow. "None of your business"? Really??? nt

[Irish_Dem]

40. In other words: guilty as sin.

[AllaN01Bear]

2. hem. really?

[RockRaven]

3. How many people here meet with people who've pled guilty to soliciting a minor for prostitution?

Go on everyone. Raise your hands if you do. I'll wait...

No? Oh, so it's not no big deal? So it's not a totally-normal-and-not-at-all-everyone's-business kind of thing?

Who knew? Apparently not Noam Chomsky...

[UpInArms]

6. Will only say that as a reporter/writer,

I have met several unsavory people at various points in my life

[former9thward]

8. Did you go to parties with them?

Do you go to their private islands? The people named did not just causally meet with him.

[UpInArms]

20. No, I did not go to parties with them.

I generally set up meetings in safe and public places, ie restaurants, diners or other similar settings.

[RockRaven]

9. Well, if Chomsky wants to explain how those meetings were part of some professional obligation

then he should feel free to make the case.

No doubt various doctors, nurses, dentists and lawyers could do so and expect to be heard and believed. Hippocratic oath and the like.

As for linguists, analytic philosophers, cognitive scientists... Well, the onus is on them to make a case, because there isn't a generally-accepted rubric for why they are professionally obliged to treat sex criminals like everyone else.

[SpamWyzer]

16. I wish to remind

others here that association with someone is not tacit support of their illegality or dealings. I would gladly give up my place here if it would prevent others from spurious claims and demands. I am no Puritan and I doubt many of you are. People's private dealings are NOT my business nor are they YOURS. Truth. Innocent until proven guilty and I have yet to hear of Prof. Chomsky being charged with anything that requires him to testify to ANYONE. "First of all, it is none of your business..." I agree.

[Irish_Dem]

41. Oh yes, people were meeting with Epstein to go over bible verses.

Perfectly innocent.

[msfiddlestix]

25. I will say I too have met on a few occasions unsavory people at various points in my life

99 percent of the time happened by way of family members, whose activities and "relationships" were not in my control.

But once or twice, and although totally unintended, encounters happened because of choices I made naively.

That was a lifetime ago, but when I look back, I came too close to the unthinkable danger of getting sucked into "the life" with people I have since learned were mobsters trafficking in prostitution, drugs and who knows what else.

Fortunately, I managed to 'escape' intact but shaken to the core. Hard lessons.

With respect to Chomsky et al, at first glance the association with Epstein is rather disturbing.

the fact of prominent people mixing with other prominent people is a common thing.

So there's that.

[stopdiggin]

4. Epstein knew a lot of people ...

Not really sure if that is indicative of anything in particular.

If we're alleging criminal behavior (on the part of someone other than Epstein), with some modicum of evidence, then I'm most willing to listen to such a case ...

[rpannier]

7. He was meeting with Epstein after he had been convicted

It also doesn't help that Chomsky said he was with Epstein when they went to meet with Woody Allen and his wife
It begs the question about Chomsky's judgement if nothing else

[stopdiggin]

10. if you're interested in 'questioning judgement'

then I suppose. These days I'm a little more focused on who's actually breaking laws. But to each ...

[rpannier]

11. I'm going with the most generous spin I can place on it -- which is poor judgement

Not sure how generous people at DU would be if the story was about one of the Koch Brothers (either the living or dead one) and Epstein

[stopdiggin]

19. I'm not really defending any of the 'names named'

(they cuold all be really sh*tty people for all I know)
I'm just saying I'm not particularly interested in naming names ...

[SpamWyzer]

17. So...

Questions about their judgment is not a criminal charge is it? America is getting lost in accusations and not bothering to PUNISH actual CRIME. (See D.tRump...)

[MrsCoffee]

29. Questioning someone's judgment is the exact thing to do here.

Not knowing his motive begs questions about his judgment.

AND, BY THE WAY….

If you hang here around long enough, you would see that along with the MAJORITY of Americans, the MAJORITY of the people posting here would have already PUNISHED loser trump’s crimes if we the people had the power to do so.

No one is getting lost here.

But cool story, bro.

[NJCher]

5. Chomsky was most likely

hustling funds for his university (MIT). Academicians don't like to say it that way, LOL, but it so turns out that the more dough you can bring into an institution, the more power you have.

Highly prized are professors and researchers who, when being considered for a position, tell how they will be bringing $X in research grants.

Does this sound like buying your position? It's not as straightforward as that--there are many considerations--but $$ are important.

When I was an undergrad, I worked with a feminist professor and we wrote up quite a number of proposals for grants. The most prestigious one we got was from the Ford Foundation. I was unprepared for the attention afforded us for landing such research grants. We are talking pocket change, however, compared to what people like Chomsky were angling for.

Note this quote from Botstein:

“I was an unsuccessful fundraiser and actually the object of a little bit of sadism on his part in dangling philanthropic support,” Botstein told the WSJ. “That was my relationship with him.”

It was well known that Epstein used his $$ to rub shoulders with prestigious academics. IIRC, Epstein donated large sums to Harvard (like Harvard needs money?) that received attention in academia.

What is curious is why Chomsky would want to dine with Woody Allen. Hmmmm.

[SpamWyzer]

22. Woody Allen

married his wife, Soon Yi Previn when she was 26 years of age. I will not join with those who wish to accuse him or her of impropriety. I do not find it morally outrageous that a grown man married a grown woman. Yes, she was once his step daughter, by adoption. That means there are no strange incestuous or pedophilia issues here...but still the Puritan strain arises to condemn 2 people for being free to marry and live happily...Are we all so bored in our own lives that we can't just leave people to be themselves? I would dine with Allen and Previn-Allen in a heartbeat because they would undoubtedly make better companions than the dipshits that surround tRump and worship his every disgusting insult and action. I grow tired of this tendency to entertain unjust opinions because it is so easy to cast aspersions. A certain ancient Middle eastern philosopher suggested that "he who is without sin, cast the first stone." Still seems like excellent advice.

[NJCher]

27. My opinion has nothing to do with

The moralistics you are so self righteously presuming. As a person who has read Chomsky since I was very young, though, the celebrity aspect of this surprises and repels me. Also disappoints me. Allen might be mildly interesting but with his wife… I don’t think so.

There now, you can get back up on your high horse.

[NJCher]

28. Oh but before you get on your horse again

Go read up on attribution theory. You have absolutely no business attributing motive to me or anyone else on this thread.

[SpamWyzer]

34. I am more well read than you attribute.

I won't bother to comment on the rest of your judgment. Nice mule you are on is what my Texas wife would say...

[Demnation]

12. Epstein's empire was pimping underage teens. This deserves more than "none of your business."

[Hugh_Lebowski]

13. Find one of the young women other than Virginia Giuffre

who's said in deposition or open court that she was 'pimped out' ... I'll wait.

A great many girls were clearly abused by Epstein and Maxwell, but the evidence that he was running an 'Empire built on pimping teens' is currently very thin in actuality.

Ghislaine Maxwell just had the book thrown at her, and emerged with one trafficking conviction ... which was recruiting a girl for Epstein himself.

I don't believe for one second Noam Chomsky was part of some sex- trafficking ring, taking advantage of teen girls. Just like I don't think that about Bill Clinton.

[SpamWyzer]

18. Thank you

for being a voice of reason. I really wish others could learn to not be suspicious of all things. It is ruining the world to think everyone's humanity amounts to guilt of criminality. I know a very large number of people who have worked in gov't., military, intelligence, corporate, educational institutions, hospitals, law offices...many of these people have worked in organizations that have been shown to have had moral, ethical and even legal failings. However, I do not blame my associates or friends for associations that eventually reveal some dark flavor. It is a function of maturity to accept that we are not in complete control of what others do and not all things done away from prying eyes are illegal.

[SpamWyzer]

23. Language

is easy to use. Truth is harder to define. I have yet to find any proof that anyone except Guifre claimed to have been pimped out. Young ladies that go to risque parties to meet "successful" men (and to meet ladies too) are responsible for their choices as well. the MeToo movement claims abuse is everywhere...I do not consider accepting an invitation to a party of the rich and powerful to be pimping anyone out. I call it common opportunism at worst, simple youthful naivete in all likelihood and hardly worthy of a federal case claiming human trafficking and pedophilia. I doubt Mr. Epstein was an angel, but he is hardly the most destructive creature to ever have had nubile females of questionable age at a party. Epstein's empire was actually FINANCE.
from wiki: "In August 1981, Epstein founded his own consulting firm, Intercontinental Assets Group Inc. (IAG), [45] which assisted clients in recovering stolen money from fraudulent brokers and lawyers. [29] Epstein described his work at this time as being a high-level bounty hunter."

[Farmer-Rick]

14. I once sat at a table with a guy who murdered his girlfriend

We were at a wedding reception and at the same table. It was just him and a male friend his girlfriend wasn't with him.

A week later, it was all over the papers that he had murdered his young girlfriend and then confessed to the murder. I didn't even recognize him until my spouse pointed him out as the guy wearing the bow tie....I don't even remember his name anymore.

Just saying that not all meet ups with criminals are nefarious.

[UpInArms]

21. In my former life,

I was VP of Operations for a real estate management company … I vetted and hired an apartment manager who I thought was charming, capable and honest. Three months later, he murdered his wife …. Smh

[Polybius]

24. Big difference

You had no clue, Chomsky did.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

33. In many cases of solicitation of minors for prostitution, it's done so unknowingly

You pick up a 16-17 yo prostitute on the street and turns out they're underage, and you go to jail. Sex doesn't even have to actually happen for you to go to jail for this crime.

We don't know that Chomsky knew Epstein was a serial sexual abuser of minors. The mildness of Epstein's punishment in that case (where he got to go to his office everyday and was only sentenced to 1 year IIRC) certainly wouldn't have given Chomsky (or anyone else) reason to suspect he was deep into being a sexual predator.

[Polybius]

35. Yes we do

Everyone knew about his crimes by 2015, it was all over the news for years. You are who you associate with. Not saying he had sex with his clients at neatly 90, but you don't hang out with people like that.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

36. November 2018, Julie Brown, Miami Herald

That was the time it became common knowledge.

Do we know when these meetings actually happened? Cause the article just says post-2008. That leaves 10 years he may have assumed the initial charge was not serious, or possibly even not known at all about the 2008 conviction.

If it's found he met with him post November 2018, then I have a definite problem.

[Polybius]

37. He was arrested and served years before that

Hey knew, you knew, we all knew. It was all over DU even in 2010.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

38. Sentenced to 18 months, served 13 months is what I can glean

And weekdays he got to go to his office and run his business as normal, only returning to jail for the night. I would imagine many people came to believe what he did must not be that horrible or the sentence would've been more serious ... until the Miami Herald article of 2018. Or at least convinced themselves as such, since he had a ton of money and often handed it out.

Ergo it's also possible, imho likely even, that Chomsky only interacted with him in order to try to secure grants for the university he worked at, as Epstein was a big donor to a few universities. We don't know that he was 'hanging out' with Epstein like all buddy-buddy.

Look, more could come out that leads me to change my opinion but based on just what can be derived from the article, I'm not coming down too hard on the old man.

[Polybius]

46. And the entire world knew and wondered why he got off with just a slap on the wrist

It was reported everywhere that what he did warranted much more time. Remember the DU threads here in 2016? Tons of discussion linking him to an ex-President and someone running for it.

Yeah, he’s either CIA or had dirt on plenty of high profile people. Maybe both.

[intheflow]

15. Hmmm. CIA shitposting about Chomsky?

Nothing new here, business as usual.

Exclusive: After Multiple Denials, CIA Admits to Snooping on Noam Chomsky

[harun]

26. +1

[former9thward]

31. If they are shitposting about Chomsky then they are doing the same with their own Director.

He is one of the people named in the report.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

32. Burns also worked at a high level in the Obama administration

For like 6 years. He was even Acting Secretary of State for a day.

For my part, I personally still hold on to suspicions Epstein was an intelligence asset of one or more countries.

[Polybius]

47. Chomsky admits it

I for one am glad to know about this.

[Kid Berwyn]

30. Business.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

39. The QAnon nutjobs are LOVING this WSJ article, I promise you that

Check out the CV of William Burns, current CIA director

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Burns_(diplomat)

There you'll find he worked in fairly-high to very-high positions in the Clinton, Bush II, and Obama admins. Was Acting Secretary of State for one day under Obama for the day of the Clinton confirmation in the Senate.

He was also Hillary Clinton's Deputy SoS for awhile in the latter half of her tenure.

So let's add to list in this article shall we?

Noam Chomsky: Acclaimed Jewish Liberal author
Leon Botstein: Acclaimed Jewish Liberal University President (since 1975)
Kathryn "Kathy" Ruemmler (from wiki):

Is an attorney who formerly served as Principal Deputy White House Counsel and then White House Counsel to President Barack Obama.

In September 2014 when Attorney General Eric Holder announced his intention to step down, Ruemmler was speculated as being a potential candidate as the next United States Attorney General.[21][22] She withdrew from consideration the following month, amid speculation that she would have faced a "difficult confirmation process" because of her close friendship with President Obama.

She now works at Goldman Sachs, you know, Masters of the Universe along with the Soros and the Rothschilds?

Anyways ... you see a common thread?

Now recall the source: The Wall Street Journal

This here is a reasonably well-written article, which explains how some of these are not 'new names' that just emerged. To me, suspicious that the WSJ feels a need to highlight them now.

https://stljewishlight.org/top-story/many-prominent-jewish-men-are-among-the-names-on-jeffrey-epsteins-newly-uncovered-calendar/

An excerpt:

Some of the names had previously been linked to Epstein, a hugely influential Jewish donor who used his largesse to obscure what investigators uncovered years ago as an elaborate underage sex trafficking ring. Epstein met with thousands of people over his career and the presence of their names does not itself indicate any evidence of misdeeds.



The scheduled meetings revealed in the Journal’s report all occurred years after Epstein’s initial arrest for sex crimes in 2008. Among the more notable appointments in the calendar: a 2015 meeting with Chomsky, a longtime critic of Israel, and former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, whose relationship with Epstein has received much scrutiny over the years.

Epstein had arranged the meeting for Chomsky and Barak to discuss “Israel’s policies with regard to Palestinian issues and the international arena,” Chomsky told the Journal.

[stopdiggin]

44. thanks. pays to sometimes look into authorship

and agenda? Epstein was a pervert (and perhaps a skilled financial grifter over many years?). That hardly means that everybody that he ever had lunch with was a john, or a criminal.

Our culture is awash in 'conspiracy' - it pays to occasionally tap the brakes.

[Polybius]

48. Of course

But hanging out with him after his first arrest is still horrible judgement.

[Irish_Dem]

42. We know the business Epstein was in and that he had a list of customers.

Why is everyone so shocked when some of the names are leaked?

We know there are many many more names.

Epstein didn't get so rich by playing tiddlywinks with his pals.

Come on. Get real.

[stopdiggin]

43. Epstein seems to have had his fingers in a lot of pies

Point of fact - not sure that a lot of people do know what he made his money at. (I sure as hell don't)

I get the implication you make - but I think it's well off the mark.
You don't amass that kind of wealth turning tricks (even if you try to add extortion into the mix).

He did however appear to show a real talent for schmoozing (and apparently impressing) a fair number of wealthy and influential people.

[SKKY]

45. So, who had "Noam Chomsky is a Freak" on their Epstein Bingo Card?

Definitely not me.