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Jose Garcia

(2,581 posts)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:43 PM May 2023

RFK Jr. Blames Zelensky and U.S. 'NeoCons' for Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Source: The Daily Beast

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. accused Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and American “NeoCons” of intentionally provoking Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on Monday. In a paragraph-long tweet, the Democratic presidential candidate claimed that Zelensky could have prevented the invasion by just saying the five words “I will not join NATO.” Instead, Kennedy said, Zelensky cozied up to NATO, bowing to alleged pressure from “NeoCons in the Biden White House” and “fascist elements” in his own government. The anti-vaccine activist claimed this military realignment, along with the positioning of nuclear-capable missile launchers along the Russian border, were purposeful “provocations” designed to cross well-known “red lines” established by the Russian government. Kennedy brought his diatribe home with a comparison to the ill-fated U.S. intervention in Iraq, claiming the same “NeoCons” were responsible for both conflicts.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-blames-zelensky-for-russian-invasion-of-ukraine

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RFK Jr. Blames Zelensky and U.S. 'NeoCons' for Russian Invasion of Ukraine (Original Post) Jose Garcia May 2023 OP
Man this guy is trying very hard bluestarone May 2023 #1
+1 peppertree May 2023 #9
Agree Rebl2 May 2023 #19
In my view he has achieved what Zilli May 2023 #48
What a trashy human being Obvious85 May 2023 #2
What is up with this guy? LuvLoogie May 2023 #3
He's not "our kind" of Kennedy Srkdqltr May 2023 #4
More like the swine senator from Louisiana. The Wizard May 2023 #46
Heavens. Blame the victimized, will ya, JR? (I REFUSE to call him Bobby) hlthe2b May 2023 #5
Decades ago, Putin told Bush 43 that Ukraine "really is not a country " John1956PA May 2023 #6
The Russians have exploited Ukriane for ages... brush May 2023 #54
My mother was mentally ill. LakeArenal May 2023 #7
14 minutes and counting...nt Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #8
He must be nuts. nt TeamProg May 2023 #10
Stephen the Irishman (Braveheart).... lamp_shade May 2023 #11
That is... Mike Nelson May 2023 #12
Sounds a little bit like Hitler's justification for invading Poland, DemocraticPatriot May 2023 #36
Who are these "NeoCons", Jr? Surely, they have names. keithbvadu2 May 2023 #13
Yeah, that's a blast from the past Farmer-Rick May 2023 #17
Junior has been actively trying to kill Americans with his anti-vaccine messaging. erronis May 2023 #14
Jerk!!! So unqualified for any higher office..let alone the presidency! PortTack May 2023 #15
Re: Robert Kennedy Jr. Seriously, solara May 2023 #16
What a dickhead. Did he suffer from a vaccination with permanent brain damage?? Evolve Dammit May 2023 #18
He was a druggie. Wolf Frankula May 2023 #22
Uh, there by the grace of God/luck/effort/a combination of factors... electric_blue68 May 2023 #34
What a loser 3auld6phart May 2023 #20
He can... 2naSalit May 2023 #21
Does russia have pictures of him too? SouthernDem4ever May 2023 #23
I was very fond of Jack. And very fond of Robert's father. Jarqui May 2023 #24
If he makes the debate he needs to be slammed hard. LiberalFighter May 2023 #25
Might as well blame Woke Antifa Deep State Globalists IronLionZion May 2023 #26
Is he going to bring back the term "Tea Baggers" too? C Moon May 2023 #27
Any Russian money blue-wave May 2023 #28
Even if he is right. Even if Ukraine was contemplating joining NATO LiberalLovinLug May 2023 #29
All I can hear out of RFK,Jr. are rightwing talking points FakeNoose May 2023 #30
RFK jr. Chrisdutch May 2023 #31
The nut was carried far away from the tree, DemocraticPatriot May 2023 #37
The family has time tried a couple interventions on the anti vaxx issue. Mopar151 May 2023 #38
They could try the Rosemary Kennedy treatment Jose Garcia May 2023 #43
It's really a shame. He's still, I assume a really good environmental lawyer...but This stuff?!! electric_blue68 May 2023 #32
Here's a "red line". LudwigPastorius May 2023 #33
I'm sure, somehow, vaccines are at the root of it (NT) HuskyOffset May 2023 #35
Stalin liked to use the term VGNonly May 2023 #39
Poor Bobby seems to enjoy swimming in the murky waters beyond the deep end DFW May 2023 #40
If he loves Russia so much he should move there permanently nt yaesu May 2023 #41
What an utter embarrassment he is. niyad May 2023 #42
News flash: Ukraine "cozied up" to NATO because they were being attacked! This guy Kashkakat v.2.0 May 2023 #44
Ask him if Ireland should go back to UK rule? tavernier May 2023 #45
Paging Mirlan Mirlan cactusfractal May 2023 #47
RFK Jr seems to be in the wrong party. marble falls May 2023 #49
Fuck off immediately, RFK Jr. (nt) Paladin May 2023 #50
... roamer65 May 2023 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM May 2023 #52
Not getting vaxxed must be affectin his brain. brush May 2023 #53
Get help. Enough; get help Grins May 2023 #55
He figures conservatives shouldn't be the only ones taking the "How stupid can you get?" challenge. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2023 #56
But he's a Democrat.. mountain grammy May 2023 #57
Every bit of that is straight up Kremlin propaganda XorXor May 2023 #58

Zilli

(182 posts)
48. In my view he has achieved what
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:04 AM
May 2023

Kennedy hating republicans have been trying to do for 50 years. He has dishonored his family name. I remember that my Grandmother told me that Rose Kennedy said "from those who have much, much is expected". Service and giving back is a truly outdated sentiment in today's lie filled cavalcade of hate and fear. RFK Jr wants to spread fear and lies.

hlthe2b

(102,105 posts)
5. Heavens. Blame the victimized, will ya, JR? (I REFUSE to call him Bobby)
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:55 PM
May 2023

Does he blame "unpopular" policies (in the minds of some people) passed or proposed by his father and uncle for their assassinations? Seriously...

Something Is seriously wrong with his thinking over the past several decades.

How the hell can Cheryl Hines stay with him? His family has certainly disowned him...

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
6. Decades ago, Putin told Bush 43 that Ukraine "really is not a country "
Wed May 3, 2023, 06:55 PM
May 2023

Putin had designs on Ukraine for decades.

brush

(53,733 posts)
54. The Russians have exploited Ukriane for ages...
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:16 AM
May 2023

as their breadbasket. In the '30s Stalin stole much of its grain output for Russia and caused the Holodomor, famine where millions of Ukrainins died.

And actually Ukraine outdates Russia as Kylv out dates Moscow as it was a city in the 11th century when forests covered the grond where Moscow is now.

Once the Soviet Union broke up in the '90s many of the Soviet republics couldn't wait to declare independence from Russia...Ukraine. Georgia, the Baltic states, Chechnya and others...they all declared independence from Russia.

Mike Nelson

(9,942 posts)
12. That is...
Wed May 3, 2023, 07:35 PM
May 2023

... the Russian propaganda view. They say either Biden or NATO started the war. They say Putin did not invade - rather, he was defending his country. Ukraine was a bad influence...Americans, Gays, Jews, Muslims, etc... and they wanted to kill off people who spoke Russian. It's very similar to the MAGA stuff we have here. RFK Jr. is either another Tucker, or off his rocker.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,301 posts)
36. Sounds a little bit like Hitler's justification for invading Poland,
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:08 PM
May 2023

doesn't it ???

(that bit about Ukraine wanting to kill off people who spoke Russian...)


Farmer-Rick

(10,134 posts)
17. Yeah, that's a blast from the past
Wed May 3, 2023, 08:07 PM
May 2023

Neocons were popular when W was president. I thought it stood for neoconservatives who were free market war mongers. It's was their plan to attack Iraq for their oil and turn it into a free market paradise or some such nonsense.

erronis

(15,170 posts)
14. Junior has been actively trying to kill Americans with his anti-vaccine messaging.
Wed May 3, 2023, 07:49 PM
May 2023

It's amazing what a simple errant gene can to destroy a familial lineage.

solara

(3,836 posts)
16. Re: Robert Kennedy Jr. Seriously,
Wed May 3, 2023, 07:52 PM
May 2023

What happened to this guy? He is the antithesis of what his daddy was. Wow..

It's such a shock to find out who his pals are and to discover how insane he must be to spew this fascist trash.

Is it possible that a Kennedy might possibly be inbred? This whole agenda stymies me.

electric_blue68

(14,809 posts)
34. Uh, there by the grace of God/luck/effort/a combination of factors...
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:05 PM
May 2023

go you and I.

Never was an alcoholic; a light drinker when I could till mid '90s. Oh, I can have a few sips but not enough to get buzzed anymore.

Mild use of pot, and a very occasional hash brownie (fun times!) in the '70s and that was it. And, oh, contact highs at the midnight Rocky Horror Show. 😄

We don't know how badly losing his father in that horrifying way affected him, and it came out later as drug use. Somethhing to consider.

3auld6phart

(1,039 posts)
20. What a loser
Wed May 3, 2023, 08:12 PM
May 2023

Trying to be a jFK or Robert type Kennedy. Moelike that dipstick from Louisiana.
Yeah that dipshit that can’t even speak English. Jnr is an Anti vaxxer to boot.

Jarqui

(10,119 posts)
24. I was very fond of Jack. And very fond of Robert's father.
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:43 PM
May 2023

I cannot relate to RFK Jr's positions on vaccines, Ukraine, “NeoCons in the Biden White House”, "the same “NeoCons” were responsible for" Iraq & Ukraine, etc.

blue-wave

(4,343 posts)
28. Any Russian money
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:18 PM
May 2023

being laundered in RFK, Jr's. campaign accounts? Any of his computer servers connected to the Kremlin? Time to start asking serious questions.

In other news, I have not yet donated to our President's re-election campaign. Now I'm motivated. That's gonna happen as soon as I finish typing this message.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
29. Even if he is right. Even if Ukraine was contemplating joining NATO
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:21 PM
May 2023

Which they denied. And which NATO had denied before the war.

Even if. They hadn't yet. Negotiations still could have happened to assure Russia's security......if they behave.

There is just NO EXCUSE for the amount of death and destruction inflicted on innocent civilians, and Ukraine defenders for a "what if".

And Even if they did join NATO while Russia waited. NATO is a defensive organization. Russia still would not be threatened unless they decided to invade.

Blaming Ukraine and the US for Ukraine casualties is disgusting.

Chrisdutch

(70 posts)
31. RFK jr.
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:53 PM
May 2023

This apple has really fallen far from the tree. RFK Jr.'s father would be horrified at this nonsense from him.

electric_blue68

(14,809 posts)
32. It's really a shame. He's still, I assume a really good environmental lawyer...but This stuff?!!
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:54 PM
May 2023

Wow. Really warps his public life/actions.
Besides his dangerous anti-vaxer status, why is he blaming Ukraine?!

Doesn't Ukraine as a Sovereign Nation have the right to join NATO? I really don't have a big opinion about it.
They gave their nuclear missles back to Russia didn't they? (Will look up)

ETA:

People also ask
Did Ukraine return nuclear weapons to Russia?

By 1996, Ukraine had returned all of its nuclear warheads to Russia in exchange for economic aid and security assurances, and in December 1994, Ukraine became a non-nuclear weapon state-party to the 1968 nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT).
https://www.armscontrol.org



LudwigPastorius

(9,095 posts)
33. Here's a "red line".
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:01 PM
May 2023

...blaming Ukraine for the invasion by Putin and his butchers, and repeating the Russian bullshit that Zelensky's government is full of "Nazis"...oh, sorry..."fascists".

I know the national Democratic party can't expel RFK, Jr., but it can repudiate and denounce him, and not give him a dime of money.

DFW

(54,268 posts)
40. Poor Bobby seems to enjoy swimming in the murky waters beyond the deep end
Thu May 4, 2023, 01:04 AM
May 2023

I don't know what's got into him.

Of course Putin wants to keep his former Soviet "Republic" back inside the Russian Empire, NATO member or not. The five words Zelensky would have needed to say to prevent the invasion would have translated out to "I will give the Ukraine back to Russia." In a Slavic language, this can be said in five words. Ukrainian and Russian are Slavic languages, and thus don't have articles, and have a dative case, so "to Russia" is the same word as "Russia" with a different ending (России vs. Россия ). The Ukrainian or Russian would be "I give Ukraine back Russia." In Russian, that would be: Я даю Украйну обратно России.

The difference makes it easy to spot Russian trolls whose English isn't fluent. They might easily say "I go Netherlands for whole month November" instead of "I will go to the Netherlands for the whole month of November."

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
44. News flash: Ukraine "cozied up" to NATO because they were being attacked! This guy
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:53 AM
May 2023

is confusing cause and effect.

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

brush

(53,733 posts)
53. Not getting vaxxed must be affectin his brain.
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:53 AM
May 2023

So the Ukraininan president is responsible for Russia invading his country. That won't play in Peoria, or help him get the DNC to hold a primary against a sitting President.

I think the idiot is channeling his late Uncle Teddy who primaried President Jimmy Carter. That didn't work out well for Kennedy, Carter or the Democratic Party.

XorXor

(616 posts)
58. Every bit of that is straight up Kremlin propaganda
Sun May 7, 2023, 01:00 PM
May 2023

None of it has any basis in reality.


Ukraine was nowhere near joining NATO. Although, if Ukraine was part of NATO then Russia wouldn't have invaded. It's not hard to understand why some in Ukraine would have desired to join NATO.

The claims about nuclear missiles on the Russian border is nonsense. There are no US nuclear missiles in Europe. There are some countries with nuclear bombs, but those are freefall bombs and none of them are on the Russian border.

The only thing they could be talking about is the aegis ashore missile defense in Romania. That installation fires sm-3 surface to air missiles used as midcourse missile defense. Those are fired from vertical launch systems that could in theory be used to launch any of the same missiles that could be launch from US Navy ships (think cruise missiles, then think nuclear armed cruise missiles), but the US claims that isn't possible. But either way, that system is not on the Russian border.

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