Rubio: Maybe Earth was created in 7 days because ‘I’m not a scientist, man’
Source: raw story
ea party-backed Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) says that hes not sure people will ever know if the Earth was created by God in just seven days because its one of the great mysteries.
In an interview published in the December issue of GQ magazine, Michael Hainey asked the potential 2016 presidential candidate how old he thought the Earth was.
Im not a scientist, man, Rubio replied. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think thats a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.
Im not a scientist. I dont think Im qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says.
He added: Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, Im not sure well ever be able to answer that. Its one of the great mysteries.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/19/rubio-maybe-earth-was-created-in-7-days-because-im-not-a-scientist-man/
"...Its one of the great mysteries" that's the best!
bwahahaaaaa
bwahahaaaaa
sakabatou
(42,146 posts)Rubio, we've seen planets being "created" in the universe. None of them in 7 days.
plethoro
(594 posts)could be a teacher at the George W. Bush School of Remedial Learning.
PerceptionManagement
(462 posts)Too afraid of vindictive red state republican rubes.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)OR, if you want the VOTES of people who are. My bet is, Mr. Rubio is inclined to the latter.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)He probably went to the same school Bill O'Reilly did.
ElboRuum
(4,717 posts)From the Get A Brain! Morans! guy to BillO's you can't explain this stuff to the casting of asparagus, it's all comedy gold. The Republicans should just give up politics and go into internet meme production full time.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Can you imagine? It will be almost like Comedy Central...
sakabatou
(42,146 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)the color makes all the difference on a hot dog!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that brown stuff is commie mustard
ElboRuum
(4,717 posts)I missed one???!??! Link, please. This omission cannot be allowed to stand.
66 dmhlt
(1,941 posts)From a "Boston Legal" episode:
Denny Crane: How can you ban red meat?
Dominick Ryan: Well, they've got a whole campaign, they're going to go with it. They plan to promote Summersport as the seafood capital of the world.
Denny Crane: We're carnivores. When the pilgrims landed, first thing they did was eat a few Indians.
Dominick Ryan: [Shirley and Dominick stare at him] Is there anything we can do?
Shirley Schmidt: We'll get an immediate TRO.
Denny Crane: I'll argue it myself. Ban red meat. That cannot pass Constitutional mustard.
Shirley Schmidt: The word is "muster", Denny, but you're right, the law lacks condiments.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402711/quotes
ElboRuum
(4,717 posts)Especially the spicier varieties.
byeya
(2,842 posts)by others in power.
It's a closed circuit, the DC greedheads-go-round, I suppose but the denial of 150 years of science is breath taking coming from a person exercising power over our lives.
lalalu
(1,663 posts)earth could be flat.
The man is not a scientist !
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Of course the earth is flat. Everywhere I look it is flat. Who am I to believe, my eyes or some scientist who uses words I can't spell and don't understand?
lalalu
(1,663 posts)progree
(10,901 posts)course the earth looks circular in these pictures.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)that was New Mexico
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:49 PM - Edit history (1)
When I drive up the hills here, it feels like being in a recliner and my truck may do a back flip! That's why Gawd declared:'Thou shalt make 4-wheel drive trucks!'
(It's written in my automobile bible, page 666.)
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)and a couple . . ..never mind.
So there!
reusrename
(1,716 posts)JI7
(89,246 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I mean really? What does that say about us as a nation?
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)supposedly the republicans path to salvation through tokenization.
What a fucking joke.
Why am I not laughing?
reusrename
(1,716 posts)There were a dozen of the idiots that denied evolution.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I really expect them to just cut to the chase and start literally flinging poo at each other...messy, but fun to watch from a safe, disinterested distance...
jonthebru
(1,034 posts)can't be honest with their statements of belief.
If he repeats the doctrine of the creationists he will be mocked by the likes of us.
If he states the obvious truth that the world is very, very old then he will be drummed out of his church and his base will abandon him.
We can't really ignore these folks anymore. They have great influence on our future through their elected representatives.
valerief
(53,235 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)When are we going to hear him say, "I don't know about funding this war stuff. I'm not a general."?
Iggo
(47,548 posts)They asked you how old it is.
Perfect chance to embrace logic, science, and education, and he blows it pandering to the woo.
His kind is dragging this country down.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)government! Good grief!
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)for sending pictures of his dick to minors on Facebook, this fake refugee will be on the next Republican presidential ticket, unless the world ends on December 21, but, "Hey, man, I'm not a Mayan astrologer!"
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)IOW-I can't piss of the evangelicals and I don't wanna go full creationist, I'll just say 'it's a mystery' and can we talk about something else.
colorado_ufo
(5,733 posts)we'll teach opinions.
No difference.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)but he is a member of the Senates Commerce, Science, & Transportation Committee.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)evolution and embryology were all from the pits of hell. He's from the House Science Committee, Rep. Paul Boun. And he is a scientist, a physician who has a BS in chemistry.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)the whole damned lot of them. I'm familiar with Paul Boun and his reputation
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)The Republican members of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committe are creationists and global warming deniers!
AldoLeopold
(617 posts)So you don't understand it, therefore the opposite must be true?
Then this stuff:
I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think thats a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.
So that sounds to me like he's a conspiracy nut.
I think this guy is a thruster short of a hyperdrive.
A stormtrooper short of an imperial legion.
He no nuts, he crazy.
caraher
(6,278 posts)"Whether Rubio is nuts is a dispute among commentators and I think it has nothing to do with basic facts or logic. I don't think we'll ever know whether Rubio is nuts because I'm not a mental health professional."
caraher
(6,278 posts)Here's the format...
"Whether <myth> is true is one of the great mysteries in dispute among <purveyors of competing myths>. I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that because I'm not an expert in <relevant field of study>."
SariesNightly
(285 posts)for pandering to their crazy base
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Guess it explains how he can be dumb enough to think that his party represents him.
Accepting all theories, uncritically, as equally valid does not make him seem open-minded it makes him look feeble-minded.
dropboss11
(29 posts)what does the age of the earth have to with jobs or solving the national debt? Rubio has no business answering questions like that. He should answer questions having to do with policies about immigration, the national debt, education, etc. What the actual age of the earth is has absolutely no relevance to the issues facing the country today.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They are called "fossil fuels" for a reason. People who do not understand that reason have no place with their hands on the policy steering wheel.
Geology is absolutely relevant to one of our number one issues. We cannot afford the luxury of this kind of determined idiocy any longer.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)If someone on the senate science Committee cannot answer basic science questions, then they should not be making any decisions about science. It has everything to do with education.
cali
(114,904 posts)He hints that he'd leave open the door to teaching creationism in place of the theory of evolution- which is science. The ToE is highly revelant in, for example, the biotech industry.
You are ignorant.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)yet don't equate this non-answer about science to be about education?
It is important to us as a nation to examine the beliefs of those who want to represent us in Washington. While I would not argue that any particular belief system should be used as a litmus test it ought to be clear that those who believe non-sense are not going to be good representatives for anyone.
They are gullible and silly and should try being comedians (not that I think comedy is a easy way to make a living or that comedians are fools) rather than politicians.
Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)If you replace "intelligent" with utter and "design" with bullshit, you have intelligent design.
In a related story:
If you replace "creation" with nonsensical and "science" with dumbfuckery, you have creation science.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)malachi
(732 posts)jerseyjack
(1,361 posts)jerseyjack
(1,361 posts)I meant to say he is a poopy-head.
truthisfreedom
(23,143 posts)Dude is running scared for some reason. Wonder why that might be. Collapse of his party, perhaps?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)However, that's a religious view, and should not even be mentioned in the same conversation as science.
Bozo.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Fucking science -- how does it work???
ElboRuum
(4,717 posts)Nah. Just kidding. You can't explain that.
griloco
(832 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Rick Santorum: 'Smart People' Will Never Be On Our Side
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/15/rick-santorum-smart-peopl_n_1886684.html
They guy is a latter day Nostradamus. Except not as smart...
AldoLeopold
(617 posts)I can't freaking believe that.
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)The repub's haven't learned. We are going to watch the death spiral of the republican party. Ha Ha, I love it!
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)silhouete2
(80 posts)give me a break. Theologians are NOT scientists. That is the problem with Bible literalist Christians--they have to alter reality to fit the script. I'm Christian--educated in public schools and educated about religion at home and church. I've NEVER had an issue with evolution---because I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible on all things.-like the story of creation. I'm an educator myself and i live in both words just fine--and see no contradiction. The problem with these people is that they think God flits around involving Himself in their daily lives--sporting events, elections, weather, financial situations. He doesn't. They refuse to believe in science because it interferes with their take on reality. I have friends who don't believe that humans have faulty genes because that would mean, to them, that God makes mistakes. Um, no it doesn't. When guys like Rubio spout this nonsense, they look dumber to me. But I see the appeal--because the GOP is STILL catering to their extreme Bible thumping base. Go figure.
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)I wonder how much time he'd like to see spent on teaching the flying spaghetti monster unit...?
Rambis
(7,774 posts)eyewall
(674 posts)"I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says.
This reveals the meme of "Obama has taken away our freedoms". I've seen people say the federal govt will prevent, or is preventing, parents from teaching religion to their kids. This is one of the "freedumbs" that gets mentioned a lot, usually stated as "practicing your own faith". They also whine about "people of faith are not allowed in govt offices" even though either statement is clearly false.
This is the stuff of violent backlash and it's promoted by teahadists and hate radio, and those weird emails republicans send each other.
They are ginning themselves up for big trouble, these rightwing kooks. Once a few more societal supports get kicked out of the collective scaffolding - due to climate change, etc. -- and they're even worse off than they are now, they will indeed become increasingly violent.
While blaming the likes of all of us on this board.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)eggplant
(3,911 posts)santamargarita
(3,170 posts)goddamn teabagger!
CheapShotArtist
(333 posts)Who's he pretending to be? Bart Simpson?
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Here you go, meme creators. You got a live one right here.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)That statement of his will help with his undoing in 2016...I can just see the ads now. He seems to be into pandering just as much as Romney. Look where that got him...the same place as Rubio is headed.
Can you just see the landslide with Rubio vs Clinton?
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)benld74
(9,904 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)This is the an example of just why these Teabaggers shouldn't be elected. Parents should be able to teach their children that the FLAT earth was created six thousand years ago in seven days and most importantly not be contradicted by stupid teachers who don't know that the Good Book is the only source of knowledge. Of course evolution is a liberal lie and only God knows how the tides operate.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)maybe it's time to elect a scientist President!!! and no more Fundies please
it this a joke????
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Mz Pip
(27,436 posts)But I am relatively well read and educated. I have some common sense and decent critical thinking skills.
I don't think someone with Rubio's point of view should be on the science committee, much less POTUS.
louslobbs
(3,232 posts)spending.....you know, that gov. credit card that the tax payer foots the bill for that you tend to use for your auto repairs and such.....in other words, stop stealing from the tax payers.
Lou
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Carbon dating is strictly prohibited by TeaBaggers. I mean next you will see Oxygen dating and then all hell will break loose...
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,580 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)We got to stick with traditional dating, I suppose.
Up2Late
(17,797 posts)He needs to watch the movie I watched again last night, "Monty Python's The Meaning of Life."
ck4829
(35,043 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)well, as long as the winds of BIG money blow his way.
Hey Rube, hope you have a good time with the Pukes, Baggers and Haters...keep talk'n man, show the MAJORITY of America who you are.
Can you say..................................Mittens and Loser?
And..............................................Buh - Bye!
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)I mean, they are stretchy and then they aren't. I'm no scientist. It's a real head scratcher. I'm just a stupid politician. None of this makes any sense to me at all...
SariesNightly
(285 posts)republicans are forever riding the unreality rocket
JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts)He can't even get the number right. Lol
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Everyone knows that on the seventh day, Gawd knocked off work so he could watch Tim Tebow play football, and y'know, help out every once in awhile since he doesn't have anything better to do.
leftlibdem420
(256 posts)The church takes a pro evolution line. But if the death penalty, war, and abortion are anything to go by, Rubio will agree with his church so long as the GOP doesn't order him to do otherwise.
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)I wonder about that, all the time.
ck4829
(35,043 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)only velcro is better for fabric miracles.
and don't get me started about Miracle Whip!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)His head will explode.
Of course I don't believe he believes what he's saying. He's just pandering and trying to not take sides...wishy washy marshmallow.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)http://college.holycross.edu/faculty/alaffey/other_files/Augustine-Genesis1.pdf
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)This is a wishy-washy non-answer to appease the masses.
lastlib
(23,208 posts)I'm coming to the conclusion that the reason we have so many idiots in Congress is that they relate best to the majority of voters.....
These doofuses are a dime a dozen--I got it in for the guy that's supplyin' the dimes!
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)A long time for a big mouth... he's going to put Palin to shame
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)"Republicans and Science, not so much"
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)The Dude
(7 posts)...he IS a member of the senate science committee.
Javaman
(62,517 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)Cha
(297,134 posts)him a dumbshit?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Hosnon
(7,800 posts)At least not as bad as what some other GOPers have said.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)You may not be a scientist, dude, but you're also clearly not a theologian, and no, you don't know what the Bible says. And no, 7-day creation is not really in dispute except among fundamentalist Christians (and they don't dispute it - they just believe it, against all reason, and ironically against the Bible). There are TWO entirely different creation accounts in the first chapters of Genesis (which one do you want to read literally?!). The older version, from the J source (the mythological material in Genesis 1-11 come from 2 sources, known as J and P), starts in chapter 2 verse 4 in the middle of the verse, and it tells the story of a garden in the East and God creating a man out of dust and later on a woman from the man, and how these humans lost their innocence and immortality and left the Garden (a story rich in meaning and similar in symbolism with many other Ancient Near Eastern myths). (The reason the story starts in the middle of a verse is because the verses were added later with no awareness of the separateness of these stories.)
The younger story, from the P source, is found in the first chapter of Genesis 1 and it ends in ch. 2 verse 4. The Genesis 1 account, which tells the story of how the world was created in 6 days, was never intended by the biblical writers to be a scientific account. Apparently the ancients were more sophisticated in some ways than many modern people. The story has its origins in the Babylonian exile of the Jews, and it is based on the Babylonian myth of how the god Marduk killed the water/chaos goddess Tiamat (etymologically related to the word tehom - or "deep"/"abyss"/"waters" in the first verse of Genesis) and then created the world by splitting her body into two and creating a dome in the middle. You get the exact same image in Genesis, where the single all-powerful God of the Jews (called Elohim by the P source) split the now depersonified waters (waters being associated with chaos) into two and creating a dome (a safe space of order and fecundity) in the midst of the waters below and the waters above. (In the Noah myth this dome disappears as the fountains of the deep open and the windows of the skies are opened and the waters flood the dome - which suggests the end of creation within that worldview.) The whole Genesis 1 creation story was a monotheistic polemic against the polytheism of the Babylonians. Instead of a battle between the male warrior god and the goddess of water/chaos, in the Genesis account there is a single God who creates order from the chaos (now no longer personified in goddess form). But the basic structure of the story is the same, and it is very tightly structured, with parallels between days 1 & 4, 2 & 5, and 3 & 6 - on the first 3, a space is created, and in the last 3, the inhabitants of that space, something like this:
1 (light and sky); 4 (lights - not called sun and moon because the words were names for gods, but these moved so they were seen as living inhabitants of the sky)
2 (separated sea and sky); 5 (birds and sea creatures)
3 (land and vegetation); 6 (animals and finally humans).
(I admit I'm a bit fuzzy on the details here and I can't check now because I' have to go give my daughter her bath.)
Anyway, this is the kind of material you will find in the Catholic Study Bible. It is the accepted reading of Genesis in Catholicism and all of mainstream Protestantism (I assume Orthodoxy as well, although I can't say for sure). The only people who think that Genesis is a literal account are fundamentalists. It is just that there are so many of those in the United States.
So, Mr. Rubio, you are not a scientist, but you're also not a theologian. It is so sad that so many people miss out on the richness of these stories. They give us a glimpse into the worldview of the ancient peoples of the Middle East, as well as their theological development. They are full of wisdom and symbolism, and I love reading these texts (alongside Gilgamesh, the Qur'an, and other texts) with my students. I find it tragic that idiots in this country not only distort these beautiful old stories, but also ignore science in the process, and dumb down our kids in the process.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)I know the Roman Catholic Church and the mainstream protestant denominations have all issued statements that they have no problem with accepting the scientific consensus on evolution.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Do Rubio and normal people share a common ancestor?
wrath of medusa
(24 posts)Here I was accepting radiometric dating as a reliable method for finding the age of rocks. I'm so happy that I need not look further than my nearest bible to know the age of the Earth. Thanks, Senator!
ancianita
(36,023 posts)The guy is just not interested in "informing" his opinions.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)that a fucking idiot like this is elected to our national government.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)supposed to be taken as a literal interpretation, but regardless, I think God's the ultimate scientist - but I sure don't think republicans are the best choice to represent believers! they do nothing but treat others who don't think as they do, with contempt and ridicule.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)now whether his brain knows that or believes that I have no idea. One either believes it (me) or you don't. It's not a mystery.
Fortunately I'm not a Christian Scientist waiting for my broken arm to heal X_X
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Beartracks
(12,809 posts)Take comfort that all people are not like you, Sen. Rubio.
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JohnnyRingo
(18,624 posts)How could anyone know?
Why isn't there a mandatory IQ test for politicians?
gtar100
(4,192 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Republicans perceive their strong suit to be the economy.
Republicans are dependent on the extreme right religious vote. However, pandering to the extreme right, religious and otherwise, may have cost Republicans seats in the House, Congress and the Oval Office. Therefore, it is prudent for Republicans to try to hold on to the extreme religious right while, at the same time, trying to remove those issues from the political arena.
So, statements like "I am not a scientist" and "I know what the Bible says" and "None of this has anything to do with GDP." would fit right in with the post 2012 Republican agenda.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Noun
rube (plural rubes)
A person of rural heritage; a yokel.
(pejorative) An uninformed, unsophisticated, or unintelligent person.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It's surprising he didn't lose his center of gravity and roll over like a car would if it suddenly turned a hard 90 degrees to the right.
FlaGranny
(8,361 posts)What does the Church say about it?
"The Church has deferred to scientists on matters such as the age of the earth and the authenticity of the fossil record. Papal pronouncements, along with commentaries by cardinals, have accepted the findings of scientists on the gradual appearance of life. In fact, the International Theological Commission in a July 2004 statement endorsed by Cardinal Ratzinger, then president of the Commission and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, now Pope Benedict XVI, includes this paragraph:
According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.54 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution.[5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution
BE10sCoach
(48 posts)that's what I like, a GOP contender for 2016 to repudiate Science to play to the looney Tea Party and Evangelical base. Go for it Senator Rubio, show American, just like Romney did you don't have "the Balls" to stand up to the loonies in the GOP. We Democrats love ya for that!
Overseas
(12,121 posts)Yet being able to have elected so many officials without scientific literacy has meant that we have taken far too little action on global warming and now are spending billions of our GDP cleaning up after the devastation the resulting super storms have wrought.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)He couldn't piss off the bible thumpers now could he? Needs that evangelical vote.
SariesNightly
(285 posts)Europeans fail to understand the madness here
Monk06
(7,675 posts)beliefs. That's what rankles fundies, Agreement with any scientific hypothesis does not require that you come to investigation with preexisting assumptions. In fact you are doing bad science if you approach phenomena with preconceived notions. Faith and science are fundamentally incompatible.
ksecus
(20 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)retread
(3,762 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)that Marco Rubio accepts that evolution is an unavoidably real phenomenon, but he is just pandering to his constituents.
rmarmion
(1 post)Don't confuse me with the facts, I've made up my mind.