Dems Laugh Off GOP Demand That They Make First Move On Medicare Benefit Cuts
Source: Talking Points Memo
Dems Laugh Off GOP Demand That They Make First Move On Medicare Benefit Cuts
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The problem is, unlike the Democrats calls for higher taxes on rich Americans, the GOPs preferred Medicare cuts are deeply unpopular. So theyre trying to cow Democrats into proposing these cuts first to effectively author both sides of the proposal and provide them political cover.
Weve come down with ours. Were still waiting for theirs. Thats the status of the negotiations, said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in the Capitol Thursday, laughing off the GOPs demand.
Though the expiration of the Bush tax cuts provides Democrats enough leverage to ignore the GOPs demand for Medicare cuts altogether, conversations with Senate Democratic aides reveal Democrats will accede to some modest spending reductions up front, so that Republicans will agree to simultaneously increase the debt ceiling and avoid another economically damaging standoff early next year.
Complicating matters for the GOP is the paradox that its easier, both politically and legislatively, to realize savings in Medicare by making the program more robust. Democrats are prepared push those sorts of reforms in 2013 when the two sides set about seeking a broader package of entitlement and tax reforms. In contrast, the Republican aim in these budget negotiations is to forge ahead with proposals designed to weaken the program, not to reduce spending on Medicare per se.
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Lisa D
(1,532 posts)They don't even have the courage of their convictions. If they really think "entitlements" should be cut, let's see what they're actually proposing. Pretty certain that the majority of the U.S. populace would reject them soundly--and they know it.
Kablooie
(18,627 posts)Republicans would say they want cuts and Democrats would propose the cuts and present them.
They Republicans then say no and the Democrats go back and work up more cuts.
That's the way it's worked in the past.
Now finally the Democrats are telling the GOP to come back with their own proposal with no help from the Democrats.
The Republicans are at a loss.
They haven't had to do this for many years.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)It is the highly unpopular Ryan Budget proposal, shot down by the Senate.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Especially not suggesting it for them.
Idiots.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Then they need to step up to the plate, identify who they are, what party they are with and what they propose to cut. Democrats don't want cuts to Medicare, so if Republicans do, it's up to them to point out what those cuts will be.
And then we can laugh all the way to the voting booth in 2014 and get back control of the House.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)red parts of their states, which is why they always win in them and was the ulterior motive all along. Unless we can get a majority in those districts to vote Dem we have little chance of picking up those seats. But I guess the if Republicans go too far on the Medicare issue there could be some changes.
suggest, it would be beneficial for our side to force the media, to do their jobs and force the GOP to get specific on Medicare cuts and changes to Social Security. The Media has been throwing Republicans softball questions, thus providing them cover.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)you don't negotiate with terrorists.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)When your negotiating adversary is not being rational in either their demands or responses, one must push away from the table, tell them that this session is now over, and please do not contact us until you are actually ready to be serious.
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cosmicone
(11,014 posts)with a titanium spine and brass balls.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)fuck boner, fuck McConnel, fuck Cantor, fuck Collins, fuck McCain, fuck Ryan, well, you get the idea.
librechik
(30,674 posts)Reid is giving them too much credit. Kick them in the bizzingle.
Mrs. Ted Nancy
(462 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)...private insurance mandate.
The only way they can maintain the support of their clueless base is to con Democrats into passing Republican policy, so that when the shit hits the fan, Democrats get the blame and Republicans can deny responsibility.
area51
(11,907 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)more than $50K interest per year....
Myrina
(12,296 posts)ItsTheMediaStupid
(2,800 posts)Just set the threshold for them very, very high.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Let's make Boner Cry!
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)My Dads little house in a middle class neighborhood is taxed at about $19,000 a year. Add that to another four or five thousand in supplemental health insurance and a few thousand more for car insurance and $50,000 and S.S. is just enough to live a decent life. So you would like him to have his Medicare cut? He worked all of his life to save that money, grew a business and put two kids through college. Why would you want to punish him for it?
ut oh
(893 posts)at least that's how I interpreted it. Maybe it would need to be a higher number, but it's a sound proposal.
Why make such a personal attack, without clarifying first?
Walk away
(9,494 posts)who worked hard all of his life to have a decent and safe retirement needs to have his benefits cut because he makes enough money to do so with investments of his hard earned savings, I think it's bunk. If you want to raise his tax rates that is one thing. Fucking with his health care really is punishing people for working and saving for retirement.
Do you think that's persona? Well maybe it is.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Health care is VERY personal. One "bad problem" and your dad has nothing, which turns into a death sentence if he has another problem before a re-enrollment.
It is a stupid idea, but wouldn't it be lovely to discuss it so EVERYONE could see how dumb it is? Picture the Republicans having to fight AGAINST it....
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)NO.
Your turn.
Gman
(24,780 posts)where's Defense cuts at? My guess is that Defense is silently making it's way to survive unscathed.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)elleng
(130,865 posts)'Complicating matters for the GOP is the paradox that its easier, both politically and legislatively, to realize savings in Medicare by making the program more robust.'
trouble.smith
(374 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)to come up with plan so they can say "No". It seems thats the only thing they Know (NO) 7 the only plan they have.
Uncle Joe
(58,350 posts)Thanks for the thread, kpete.
JackHughes
(166 posts)The Republicans will whine but they will never offer specific cuts. Why? Because that would be actual policy.
Republicans don't make policy. Republicans only make propaganda.
ut oh
(893 posts)offer that the gov't can negociate drug prices again. That alone will save much $$$.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)It looks like bullying days are over!
So sad.
Bluegene
(35 posts)It's like saying pull my finger to an adult.
Or saying let's just walk off this job, you first.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)This would reduce the cost, require a provider to be approved before any claims are paid. Have more fraud auditors to catch the rip offs. I think when ACA is totally in place cost of health care will go down, we can not allow cuts because the GOP will take credit and say they cut Medicare so the cost is down because of their cuts.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)will allow the losers to sit there and act like they're in charge ...
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)They used different words, but they implied that Obama should be the one who cuts so called entitlement programs.
How many times have Boehner and McConnell said: "The president is failing to lead on this"? It's usually when they're discussing cuts to Social Security or Medicare. They want to put the president's fingerprints all over misery and the plight of retirees.
They'll do it themselves if they have to, but they'd rather have someone to blame.