Barry Bonds Not Elected To Hall of Fame
Source: NBC Bay Area
Judgment day has arrived for former Giants slugger Barry Bonds to find out if his Hall of Fame fate and the vote was a big fat no.
Read more: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/the-cove/Barry-Bonds-Not-Elected-to-Hall-of-Fame-186198441.html
The news came over the wire just a few minutes ago. Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Sammy Sosa were not elected to the MLB Hall of Fame. In addition, no one on this years ballot was elected. Therefore, it seems no one will be inducted into the Hall of Fame this year.
KatyMan
(4,183 posts)Biggio deserved it. So did Bagwell. So did Piazza. Baseball writers are a bunch of hacks. The voting should be done by the players.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)What do they know about the stats of MLB players?
The writers are the ones who pour over stats and data, not players.
Under your system, it would become a popularity contest.
And Piazza is also on the list of steroid users.
KatyMan
(4,183 posts)were more than happy to vote a half dozen MVPs to Bonds and Cy Youngs to Clemens, and you'd have to have lived under a rock to not know there was a supplement issue in MLB in the 90s and beyond. Who didn't know McGwire and Sosa were juicing in 98?
I don't know about Piazza, but Biggio was certainly never implicated, and neither was Bagwell.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)The proof wasn't until after they finished their careers.
"but Biggio was certainly never implicated, and neither was Bagwell."
Biggio I agree with you, Bagwell not so much. As far as their snubs, that is.
KatyMan
(4,183 posts)Played a large part of his career in the Dome, where home runs go to die.
If one thinks Frank Thomas is HoF'er, then you have to believe Bags is.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Bonds was one of several players who had a cloud of steroids shrouding his candidacy into the Hall of Fame. He received 36.2 percent of the vote. He needed 75-percent.
Former Oakland A's slugger Mark McGuire was also on the ballot. He only received 16.9 percent of the vote.
Also on the ballot for the first time were Sammy Sosa and Mike Piazza, power hitters whose statistics have been questioned because of the Steroids Era, and Craig Biggio, 20th on the career list with 3,060 hits all for the Houston Astros.
klook
(12,152 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:04 PM - Edit history (1)
Biggio will get in eventually, although I'm surprised he wasn't a first-ballot choice. I doubt seriously he ever juiced.
Hardly anybody likes Bonds, and hardly anybody believes he didn't use steroids, so -- despite what would be a HOF career for most players, he may never get in. I always thought it was hypocritical of the Giants to keep him on the team and promote (and benefit from) his hitting prowess but then try to remove every trace of him after his career was over.
Maybe somebody will start a Hall of Infamy for guys like Pete Rose, Bonds, and Clemens.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)He'd have set every offensive record that would still be standing today.
frylock
(34,825 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)He was a fan of beer and cigars, too!
klook
(12,152 posts)What if some of these guys just didn't drink as much?
(George Steinbrenner recommends a remedy to Billy Martin)
Jimbo S
(2,958 posts)FYI
klook
(12,152 posts)about the Marquette decision to go to the NIT instead of the NCAA tourney. I'll correct my post above.
a kennedy
(29,618 posts)yikes.
longship
(40,416 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,389 posts)Pete Rose should not be the only living baseball player on the permanently ineligible list.
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,389 posts)So, should other names be on that permanently ineligible list?
trumad
(41,692 posts)Disagree 100 percent. Throwing games because you gamble on them. Do you know how fast the integrity of the game would fly out the window?
rivegauche
(601 posts)Tempest
(14,591 posts)That is your opinion.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Actually he admitted it.
Do you not see the problem with this?
Once fans think that the game is rigged, it's all over. Period.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)No evidence he threw games. It's your opinion.
Betting on your own team is a bannable offense in Baseball.
Always has been always will.
How do you know he didn't throw games? You know he bet on his team--- How do you know he didn't bet against?
And there is the quandry.
Guess what---it he never ever bet on his team--- then your argument holds much better.
groundloop
(11,514 posts)Rose claims he never, ever bet on his team to lose.
trumad
(41,692 posts)You really think he has credibility?
groundloop
(11,514 posts)I was just stating facts.
And for the record, I do not think Pete Rose should be allowed in the Hall of Fame because he broke the rules.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)Same difference.
But I don't believe him anyway.
MADem
(135,425 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)So where's the conflict of interest in that? He's trying to win as both a player and a bettor.
trumad
(41,692 posts)He denied for years that he didn't bet on his team---and now you all are in that he's honest Pete.
Who is to say that if good old Pete didn't get caught---he kept on betting, ran up big gambling debts to loan sharks, and then was told to throw games to make up for his losses.
When you are a degenerate gambler, you're much more susceptible to that kind of shit.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Your claim is he could have thrown a game to win a bet.
He didn't bet against his team.
His incentives to win the bet and win the game were aligned.
And he could have raped innocent virgin puppies while guzzling Mad Dog and shooting heroin into his eyeballs.
He didn't do that. Nor throw a game.
So why should we punish him as if he had?
trumad
(41,692 posts)Because Pete said so?
Again---he was a degenerate gambler...yes? You would think the chance of losing his legacy---knowing that betting on your own team would be the end of you....which it was--- would be the deterrent. It obviously was not.
Why---because he was a gambling addict.
And again---there lies the problem.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)No one has produced any evidence that he has.
Perhaps we should just execute him? After all, he could have murdered a bus load of nuns. Sure, he says he hasn't, but are you gonna take his word?
The guy was a hall-of-fame quality player, didn't harm the sport like the steroid abusers or the black socks, and nobody has provided any evidence his bets changed how he played or managed. The fact that people are shocked - SHOCKED I tell you - by his behavior says a lot more about them than him.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Buth there is plenty of evidence that he broke a major bannable rule in baseball.
Again---the reasons I listed above in mho are sufficient.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)What Rose did cuts to the heart of the game and anybody's ability to believe in it. By betting while managing, he could directly manipulate the outcome. He might swing it one way or the other without even realizing it.
I am no fan of steroid users. However, they still have to have a modicum of talent to hit the ball. In addition, the outcome they can consistently produce is not guaranteed.
Rose couldn't guarantee an outcome, but with the ability to move and/ or remove players, he could really affect it.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Again---You know at the end the guy was addicted to gambling---betting on his own team and risking the chance of losing his legacy.
So---when you become a degenerate, you act like a degenerate. You begin to double, triple your bets, and eventually you will be so far down you will be forced to change up your tactics to try and cover your losses.
Bookies, loan sharks, etc..... they'll sink you teeth into you so fast you won't know what hit you.
That right there is why there is a strict no gambling rule in Professional sports.
Once you hit that slippery slope there no putting on the breaks.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)there are several men who are in as managers but not as players, e.g. Sparky Anderson. Induct Rose as a player only, and make it clear why he is not a member as a manager right on his plaque.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)He managed from 84-89 and didn't win the World series, pennant, or even the NL West (their division at the time) once.
If I was Sparky Anderson, I'd be pissed if there was a plaque that said the only reason Rose wasn't a HoF manager was because of the gambling. Rose was no more a "HoF manager" than Bob Uecker was a "HoF catcher", he just wasn't that good at it.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,389 posts)Today, he is the only living baseball player on the permanently ineligible list. I suggest there should be other players on that list to keep Pete Rose company.
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)relayerbob
(6,537 posts)Played by people making far too much money. NHL lockout could stay on indefinitely too ASFAIC, too violent.
Stick with Olympic sports and be done with it.
(besides, I'm more impressed with people like Babe Ruth who performed his feats with performance degrading drugs)
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)and lol at "Olympic sports." can't wait for the big marathon being televised this weekend!
BlueManFan
(256 posts)his swollen steroid engorged head wouldn't fit through the doorway anyhow! Allegedly....ha ha ha!!!!!!
BlueManFan
(256 posts)balco balco balco balco balco.
rivegauche
(601 posts)I think any athlete who used steroids should never even be considered for the HOF. It shoul dbe an automatic disqualifier.
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)...were hotdogs and beer!!!!!
No better performance enhancing drug than a good ballpark frank with lots of mustard, onions and relish. And one's beer of choice.
A player can be a..uhm...drunk...but one might think that if he laid off the booze, his stats would be completely unreachable. On the other hand, maybe some good intestinal pressure and the "relaxation" caused by the beer actually made him play better. Relaxed when batting and a great big ole fart when swinging may have given the ball a reason to escape...and the best place to hide was in the centerfield stands.
Runaway.....Flee!!!!!
KatyMan
(4,183 posts)Klansman and racists. Why are they still in the Hall?
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Initech
(100,043 posts)And bring back the performance hindering ones!!
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)Initech
(100,043 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Biggio's first year on the ballot. Jack Morris has only one more year on the ballot before he goes to the veteran's committee. Although he didn't win 300 games, he was a dominant pitcher throughout most of his career. I hope he gets in next year.
FSogol
(45,455 posts)All of them got over 5%.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)They made the show. I started selling insurance.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)there`s a few players that deserve the hall of fame.
the people who vote should be ashamed of themselves.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, I don't think the steroid use is a big deal. I think it's wrong as far as the players health is concerned. There are estimates that up to 50% of MLB players use steroids. I doubt it is that high myself, I would think the most would be 40% but it's probably closer to 25%. But, here is a theoretical for you. If half the players are using how is it an advantage to be using? It's very likely half the players on the other team are using as well, so then what, you still have to rely on your skill as a player. So, why don't we do this. If a player wants to use they have to disclose their use to the world. They also have to agree to have their stats adjusted.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)Pachamama
(16,884 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)None of them deserve to go. It would be a huge slap in the face to every player who has been inducted.
dembotoz
(16,785 posts)its only a fricken game
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)And I hate that guy, absolutely hate him. This is a joke. Rocket is a first balloter too.
The whole steroids controversy is idiotic.