Now nutcase 'killing people' guy says he's 'assembled an army'
Source: www.dailykos.com
"Now, I don't condone anybody doing anything rash. I do not condone anybody committing any kind of felonies up to and including aggrivated assaults or murders. Unless its necessary.
Right now, it is not necessary. I understand that my video was very volatile. You have no idea how many people that sent me emails and texts and call me like 'Right on! My shit's clean. My bag is packed. You tell me when and where.' You have no idea how quickly I accidentally assembled an army. I assure you, a quite formidable army. But now is not the time. It's not time yet.
But, it is time to get ready!"
Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/10/1177993/-Now-nutcase-killing-people-guy-says-he-s-assembled-an-army
So, threatening to raise an army against the sitting government of the United States, whoever is President, is okay now? WTF
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)brush
(53,759 posts)The FBI and the Secret Service and probably ATF and Homeland Security are most likely all monitoring this guy. And he's most likely all talk and will sh_t his pants when he gets a visit from one of these agencies. If not, we'll hear about him like we heard about Ruby Ridge. And we all know how that worked out.
Most of these guys live in a dream world and envision themselves as being rock solid and able to react heroically in high stress situations involving gun fire. This video was posted yesterday either here or on another site. It shows how most untrained and even allegedly trained individuals actual react under gunplay-involved stressful situations.
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/video-podcast-media/video-proof-concealed-carry-permit-holders-live-dream-world
SunSeeker
(51,546 posts)Maybe worse than useless, since, as this excellent video shows, you end up fumbling for your gun instead of concentrating on running or taking cover---and thus become a prime target.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)guy who alleges he smoked crack and had sex with then State Senator Obama, shot up with a gun, pictures of Michelle and the President. He then faxed them to the White House. The Secret Service came a calling, to this day he is monitored, even when he leaves whatever state he is in (he lives in FL). Last year he was stopped by the USSS after driving in front of the White House three times "while looking for a parking space."
A year ago he tried committing suicide in a WVa hotel, the Secret Service called the local Police, requesting the locals handle it.
I've been a member of two online groups, one observed the guy I just wrote about, refuting all of his claims, since 2007. The other is an Orly Taitz debunker site.
brush
(53,759 posts)Are you saying this is true or is or what? Your post is not clear. And what does it have to do with the topic.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)the loons are monitored. Sorry for the lack of clarity
I watched the video all the way through and this should be played over and over again on mainstream tv.. I have told many of my gun loving friends that they have no formal training and to the last they all say I am an excellent shot. Do you remember the movie Glory and the scene where Matthew Broderick is teaching them to shoot and he basically breaks down the best shot in the group because he cannot fire and reload his rifle more than once a minute. These Rambo wanna be's have no idea how to act in a truly stressfull situation. I am more scared of the CCP carriers then I am of the bad guys because at least I know who the bad guy is and who he is trying to shoot. Scary thing is this prime time episode came out in April of 2010 and we were in the middle of the ACA vote and the rise of the Tea Party and nobody paid attention to it.
frylock
(34,825 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Just google his Iraq time working for a contractor and how he pissed his pants during a fire fight. He is also a murderer. Rumor has it that he killed two civilians there.
obama2terms
(563 posts)I heard his permit was suspended.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)crazy. Oh you can bet the FBI are watching out for this guy. I'm willing to bet they are. They should be.
rbixby
(1,140 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)rbixby
(1,140 posts)At least this guy is letting everyone know what he's up to.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)or HE is an FBI operative, working to draw the nutcases out into the open.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)A legal line has been crossed, making that an impossibility.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Yep. And they're some of his regular customers. Maybe even one of his buddies by now.
obama2terms
(563 posts)I live in TN. and in a pretty liberal district, but one day this guy started honking and giving us the thumbs down. At first we thought we were doing something on the road but then the guy started swerving and driving crazily. People were honking and yelling things out their window and then he finally got ahead of us and we noticed that he had a bumper sticker that said "I don't watch the liberal media" and we were oh. Some people are such psychos!
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)someone who has a republican sticker on their car. It is such a waste of time.
Cirque du So-What
(25,921 posts)What could possibly go awry with such a brilliant plan?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)OswegoAtheist
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Oswego "Pet Cause" Atheist
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Geez, nutcase frothing in aisle 10..............
formercia
(18,479 posts)This is just the kind of thing they did to the Black Panthers. Their Chief of Security was an FBI informant who provoked them into arming themselves against Whitey, Before he showed-up, the Panthers were more like Occupy Sandy, helping out people in the 'Hood.
2naSalit
(86,502 posts)yesterday when he first hit the commons but now I think you have a really good point. He's egging someone on to see who flushes out. Otherwise, he wouldn't be launching a second taunt IMO.
formercia
(18,479 posts)which is redundant, because the FBI is monitoring his Email account, so anyone stupid enough to send him an email telling him they're ready to rock and roll.........
I think the FBI is about to roll-up the stupidest fraction, anyway....
pacalo
(24,721 posts)In these crazy times, though, when peaceful OWS protesters are manhandled, beaten, & arrested for simply standing up to unfairness, as opposed to teabaggers & gun fetishists getting the kid-glove treatment from the government, it's not easy to believe this would be done for the common good. The darker side of the government is benefiting some way from teabaggers & gun mania for them to have been given such leeway in creating chaos on society.
formercia
(18,479 posts)Without these crazies, the Feds would have nothing.
They tried to provoke Occupy to violence, but thankfully, the people listened to those who spoke for Peace. They were waiting to crush Occupy, and now that we know some of the details,I'm glad the peeps didn't fall for it.
formercia
(18,479 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)There is a glaringly obvious issue that makes it an impossibility.
formercia
(18,479 posts)There isn't any scum of the Earth the FBI won't use as an Informant/Provocateur.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)I do understand your skepticism and the history you mentioned. First, I'd like to say that not all agents are bad. Believe it or not there are some liberals but we need many more. Second, we need to keep a better eye on overly pushy, ambitious agents. The ones who glad hand a bit too much, push cases too hard when the evidence isn't quite there yet. I know them when I talk to them. It doesn't take long. They often rise to the top and then make embarrassing mistakes. Or simply spend inordinate amounts of time combing their hair (really) for photo ops with the same insincere smile on their faces. I'm talking about my last director here.
This particular case? The guy is saying this stuff too publicly. What you're talking about would have to be done secretly and covered up. And no agent would have had this loon go on YouTube and tell people to be ready to kill federal agents as soon as Obama passes an executive order about guns.
2naSalit
(86,502 posts)I must have missed it...?
I can tell you that I would never, ever bend these rules even slightly. Ever. For any reason for anybody. if it were as simple as a drug deal I would call it entrapment, using a CI to make people do something they wouldn't normally do. That CI is to tell me what is going on, not to make something happen that never would have happened except for my direction. Period.
This person is actively inciting criminal activity. Assault, murder even. Against Federal, state, and perhaps local government law enforcement agents. Now, it really doesn't matter what the crime is. But, he is calling for it, inciting it in a very public forum in which he has many followers who actually do listen to what he says, and he actually does expect them to follow his lead. That's how he makes his living. He knows they follow his instructions because they buy his stuff.
A Federal agent cannot use an informant to incite murder against Federal agents. Do you understand now? A Federal agent will not use a CI to incite murder against Federal agents.
2naSalit
(86,502 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)And methinks he is about to find that out.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)From one of his panelist, I forget her name, but she runs Grio. Anyway, she said their hero Ronald Reagan in the 60's made it illegal in Ca for people to carry guns in public because the Black Panthers were doing just that. Scared them enough to ban it then, I wonder why it is different now.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)people of color (or even radical or revolutionary white people-like Occupy) running around with these types of weapons openly, it would happen just like it did in California when the Panthers were open carrying. It was QUICKLY made illegal by Ronnie Reagan and his administration BECAUSE OF WHO WAS CARRYING. The reason there's no pushback from the government on this type of shit now is because it's white RWers are doing the carrying.
Kablooie
(18,621 posts)But if they are it's a damn great idea.
formercia
(18,479 posts)They have been using provocateurs for Generations. It works.
titanicdave
(429 posts)is a coward and bully........last night on the ED Show on MSNBC, Ed announced that this idiot had agreed to be interviewed by Ed on the ED Show......today on his radio show, Ed announced that this butt-head has weaseled out of the deal and will not appear tonight after-all.......so if his "army" is anything like he is, they are just cowards and bullies.....I hope every law enforcement in the nation is watching every move this idiot makes
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)He talks about taking up arms against the government but he's afraid to debate Ed.
You're right. He's nothing but a shit talking coward.
Ilsa
(61,691 posts)My guess is that a friend or family member has loaned him money for his enterprise. The liability could cause him to lose everything. I bet that's why he bowed out.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...I used to love Fruit Loops. They're really bad for your health.
Aristus
(66,308 posts)That's the dodge of every murderous psychopath in history. At least he's up-front about it.
I forsee a long jail term or a shallow grave in his future...
samsingh
(17,594 posts)Squinch
(50,934 posts)These people are idiots and our government is coddling them. I'm really tired of it.
You're raising an army? Bring it. The rest of us will be aiding and abetting the United States Army.
Assholes.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I just hope Obama instructs military personnel to insure that all women and children who
are unarmed, i.e. be allowed to escape to safe haven away from crazy Uncle Cletus and his
gun-nuttery buddies.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I say let them out, make like Piers Morgan who masterfully allowed Alex Jones (I'd never seen him) to make an absolute fool of his paranoid rantings, not to mention his apologists. Challenge them on air. Show the well-meaning gun folk the absolute madness, then sign them up for real solutions.
Also brings to mind a certain person from Alaska who liked to shoot wolves from helicopters and put targets for political "kills" on her website. (nothing personal, of course)
Perhaps she and her secessionist hubby would like to do an on-air "discussion" with Gabby Giffords and her astronaut husband?
kentauros
(29,414 posts)SirRevolutionary
(579 posts)An enemy could lose an eye if one of those pointy plastic guns were thrown in retaliation. His army exists in the cloud waiting for the "right time".
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Or is that the NSA's field?
I wonder how many have Red Rider BB guns...?
SirRevolutionary
(579 posts)from cloud warriors. I'll also bet this guy will get a bunch of text messages tomorrow saying "sorry man, I was drunk last night. Disregard my last text". Most of them are probably just internet tough guys, but hopefully they'll keep an eye on him and mystical text warrior army.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)And seriously, I'm sure there's many a watchful eye (human or otherwise) focused on the Cloud Warriors.
frylock
(34,825 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)The Blue Rocket Surgeons
mike dub
(541 posts)...Hoping to draw the FBI to his property to seize his weapons. If they did, he'd be an instant cause-celeb (or whatever) for the wingnuts.
pasto76
(1,589 posts)really, police SWAT teams are going to present quite an obstacle for this dude's fantasy. Woe to he, that angers a platoon of Iraq/Afghanistan veterans. his 'army' is a bunch of loser with fantasies. I fought battle hardened Iran-Iraq war veterans, and religious _zealots_. American soft white meat isnt going to be much a challenge.
if you understand what Im saying, you were probably there with me. If you dont understand, trust that these fucking wars were not a total loss. We actually have combat trained and experienced national guardsmen right now.
SirRevolutionary
(579 posts)of text messages from angry nut jobs in response to his YouTube word salad rant worthy of a spot in a book of Sara Palin quotes? Does this formidable accidental army have magic powers to cloak itself from drone strikes?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Guys like the asshole in that video and Alex Jones types* seem to be perpetually pissed off. It is almost like they simmer with the anger just below the surface at all times. Someone talks about something to do with their guns and they go off on rants that become more and more incoherent as they go along. The longer the rant, the less coherent and more violent it becomes. They seem to have extreme anger issues and extremely poor impulse control...and they have guns. Think about that for a second or two, if you can fathom it.
Whatever happened to "communicating threats" being against the law? So, Free Speech means people can just go around threatening anyone and everyone they damn well please like that with no repercussions at all? No damn wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket.
*and Ted Nugent...he seems to never STFU with his disgusting, overly angry ranting and raving.
edbermac
(15,936 posts)Let them know when you're ready for action when you and your buddies finish off that last case of beer.
ancianita
(36,013 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Like a women's clinic, or a university, or the unemployment office, or even a local police station or water treatment facility. If liberals support it or taxes paid for it, it's their enemy.
ancianita
(36,013 posts)rightsideout
(978 posts)bubbayugga
(222 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)an army they have a mob if they ever assemble in one place.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)I can't wait to see this guy turned into dust. Hey maybe Westboro will protest his funeral.
Lebam in LA
(1,344 posts)They would wet themselves if they actually had to fight against US forces. They also seem to think that everyone supporting sensible weapons control, is unarmed. BIG surprise coming for them
Warpy
(111,222 posts)and both rear cheeks full of Thorazine and a nice seclusion room in a state mental hospital.
Now he's allowed to walk free, threatening his family and neighbors with his arsenal of military weapons and voting Republican.
Thank you, Ronald Reagan.
GeorgeGist
(25,317 posts)Ted Nugent called.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the other 1,800 times were butt dials.
dawnie51
(959 posts)there has been an explosion of these crazy people; Yeager, Jones, the judge on TV: Someone is behind this, and I would guess the NRA is paying for this wave threats and fear. Someone, maybe Anonymous, someone who has the expertise, needs to look into where these nuts are getting their money, and when they get it. This cannot be tolerated. It is beyond the realm of reason.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)fuck them all
ancianita
(36,013 posts)This barrage of crazy must be making the NRA and other RW orgs some money. Stirring up protection money over the threat of civil war is their big grift.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Tear those curtains down!
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts). . .and a tiny pee-pee.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)If this idiot so much as flinches outside his home with a weapon he will be apprehended ... he's done ...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)any word (mental/criminal)?
And how can you have the priviledge to possess; but not a priviledge to carry?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I suspect there is teeny tiny print in the gun licensing that says if you do that your permit is immediately void.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)He's inciting to riot and threatening the public as well. Dude can use his mouth but he has to surrender his guns. Maybe he'll learn not to cry fire in a crowded theater.
DeschutesRiver
(2,354 posts)actually doing what he says he is going to do by a wide mile.
I bet he makes a million bucks off of this, sent to him by "angry" patriots. Like George Zimmerman made all that money on his website. Or Palin when she went off the rails with her comments, and made a bazillion dollars from the faithful, and bowed out of running to count her cash piles.
This is an epidemic in Amurika. And no, this guy is a perfect example of someone who is all talk but no do. I am not worried about him taking on the federal government, his pea shooters vs. our military might, not in the slightest. He is merely laughing his way to the bank daily, now that he has unleashed the mighty donation machine.
I don't have an issue with gun ownership. I do have an issue with morons like this, but they are self limiting, and self extinguishing. His threats are way too public and grandiose to give me much concern - he is just talking his book, and if his livelihood is being threatened by whatever he thinks is coming via new gun regs, it appears he has found a far quicker way to make up the income loss by donations. I am guessing he figures "problem solved" at this point, but he will need to keep yakking and stoking the fear machine ala Faux News style to keep the money rolling in.
I also have a vague memory of some parish, in LA?, doing the something along the same lines, ie raising a militia/protection/vigilante group that they were quite public about at the time. I think they held armed meetings, IIRC. It was the damned stupidest thing, but it seemed to make them feel useful, at first, then stupid shortly before they just disbanded the whole moronic vigilante thing.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)coljam
(188 posts)Take all these treasonous mutherf ckers to Gitmo all expences paid for a couple of weeks and show them what the government can doThey will come back quiet as lambs.
patrice
(47,992 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Pull the logs; assemble watchlist.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Who possibly got a few serious emails that might produce a lead or two. The rest will undoubtedly be cowardly dumb asses who couldn't carry out missions to the local McDonalds unless their mommies were driving. The ones who might've been dangerous wouldn't have replied in a traceable way.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)They are the fools for which Godwin's law was made. Flamers unite or untie or something.
patrice
(47,992 posts)from his formidable army that he has assembled.
I wonder if he can get them all to wear somekind of insignia or something, so that I can make rational security decisions about where I go in public.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)these are the kind of people we have been catering to for DECADES in America
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"when gun nuts lose their control?"
I don't think it's even that.. merely that for the first time in many years, a national dialog is taking place, and very bright lights are being shone onto the idiocy of this demographic.
But yeah... we've been catering to them for far too long, and bless their little hearts if they're afraid of a collective discourse about their sacred cows.
broadcaster75201
(387 posts)Be assured the FBI, ATF & Secret Service have this guy at the top of their list of ppl to watch and investigate.
underpants
(182,730 posts)talk about actually shooting your mouth off
libodem
(19,288 posts)Right wing nut bags get a pass, though. I woke up in the middle of the night last night and Coast to Coast, was on, and man oh man they had a nut bag guest. Kept refering to 'us' as the progressive left who LOVES big government. He refered to himself and his ilk as 'white, Christian, hetrosexual, gun owner males' who settled the west.
No wonder our guys here are getting tired of the white male privledge meme lumping them in with extremist racist gun fornicators. They ARE out there.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Or do they actually have to perform acts of violence, rather than talk of organized violence?
No doubt the FBI has more than a few plants to monitor these idiots.
Hear that, nutters? The FBI is alllll over you. Who, among you, is the plant or plants? hmmmm.
rightsideout
(978 posts)Now here's the thing. To these fanatics it is "necessary."
But I'm not worried about them. I don't want to live in paranoia like them.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)something to be done about this shit. Trust me, NOTHING WILL BE DONE. Other than possibly a few administrative penalties. If he were with Occupy talking this trash, he'd ALREADY have been sent to Gitmo. Or some other black hole of a prison. This guy is white and a RWer. Nothing serious will happen to him
Amonester
(11,541 posts)It's a start... or a warning sign that he and his ridiculous 'army' (one that would not 'stand' longer than five seconds in a real battlefield against the US Army 'today'...) are being 'watched' closely...
He did this to himself, the idiot!
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)night and TN routinely revokes and suspends carry permits. The suspension is usually either for an felony arrest, or a domestic violence call. Typically if you're not convicted you get it back. With domestic violence it may be a little different. But there is clear precedent for carry permit revocations.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)he won't even bother with having a permit or not, I guess.
Only when facing an army of drones will he suddenly realize he's made a fool of himself (or a 'martyr') all the way...
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)izing and saying her spoke harshly, etc. etc. sounded very authentic actually. But, what he said was, "let's use this opportunity to change the laws" and suggested everyone contact their elected officials. All of them, city, county, state, etc. And his attorney/my city councilman said "people who think like us" I wanted to hurl. James did say they were friends, but McLendon stopped just one step shy of endorsing him. Oh, and McLendon used the RWNJ words of "permission" for permit to carry. I wanted to vomit. I learned that recently. Those who subscribe to "cold dead hand" theory believe that having to get a permit is having to get permission and therefore not a right. You don't have to get permission for a constitutionally given right is their battle cry.
The point of the my rant being, I guess he's lawyered up for the permit hearing. I'll bet a bunch of money that the NRA will back this play. We'll have to see how this turns out.
Lars39
(26,108 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)As I said, if he were with Occupy and/or was a person of color, he would ALREADY be in Gitmo.
I just don't see much more than administrative penalties (revocation of his CC permit) coming out of this. Call me cynical, but there's not much in the way of penalties if you're white and RW.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Kablooie
(18,621 posts)They've been working hard to terrify the right so that they become armed insurgents.
I mean, the middle east wars will be ending soon so what're they to do?
Bring Fallujah into the United States! What a wonderful idea!
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)from his exploits he seems to be a coward.
Quasimodem
(441 posts)... seems appropriate here.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)jpak
(41,757 posts)deafskeptic
(463 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)He thinks he has an "army"? I can hardly wait until he's vaporized by a real army.