Rep. Stockman threatens Obama impeachment over guns

[Redfairen]

Source: Politico

Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) is threatening to file articles of impeachment against President Barack Obama if he moves to change gun regulations through executive order.

“I will seek to thwart this action by any means necessary, including but not limited to eliminating funding for implementation, defunding the White House, and even filing articles of impeachment,” Stockman said.

In a statement, Stockman didn’t hold back, saying Obama is launching an “attack on the very founding principles of this republic.”

“The President’s actions are an existential threat to this nation,” Stockman said in a statement. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms is what has kept this nation free and secure for over 200 years. The very purpose of the Second Amendment is to stop the government from disallowing people the means to defend themselves against tyranny. Any proposal to abuse executive power and infringe upon gun rights must be repelled with the stiffest legislative force possible.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2013/01/rep-stockman-threatens-obama-impeachment-over-guns-154141.html

[bemildred]

1. Bring it. nt

[donnasgirl]

26. No do not bring it

To all the people here who are going to call names like troll,republican asshole,let me explain a little something.All of us better watch out for what we wish for,have any of you taken the time to see what he can be impeached for,because it sure does not sound like it.

I voted straight democratic ticket this last election,i supported Obama in both his bids for the presidency and sent money to his campaign both times,look up what he can be impeached for before you start calling someone an asshole.(Don't you think the republicans are looking for an excuse).

[XRubicon]

30. Mind saying what you think he can be impeached for?

You think...

[donnasgirl]

67. Here is a start

By signing NDAA for 2012, President Obama has authorized the arrest and the indefinite detention without trial of citizens and residents of the United States, which is both immoral and cruel and violates multiple provisions of the Constitution, including

• Article 1, Section 9, the privilege to petition for habeas corpus;
• Article 3, Section 3, stronger due process for claims of treason;
• Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable seizures;
• Fifth Amendment prohibition of loss of liberty without due process;
• Sixth Amendment right to a speedy and public trial with representation.

Look i don't give a rats ass whether you believe me or not,just remember it was me who said it could happen,if he signs an executive order usuping the constitution i would bet the house on it the republicans will jump all over it.

[XRubicon]

73. Congress sent him NDAA

So they will impeach him for signing a bill they passed and sent to him to sign?
I'LL take trolling for 500 Alex. What is a Libertarian?

[billh58]

85. There you go again

shooting down the NRA's perfectly rehearsed talking points with your Liberal logic and Leftist facts. You should really be ashamed of yourself for making them think, because as Ann Romney said, "it's hard."

[lark]

91. Isn't it funny how there are all these new pro-gun people on this board?

1 - the Repugs are not going to file articles of impeachment on anything pro war Obama has done. That's absolutely not going to happen.
2 - WTF are you thinking? Making people register guns does not violate the 2nd amendmend. You register your car, why not your gun? I don't see anyone claiming that registering a car means the government has stolen it. That's just ludicrous and an NRA troll point.

[alfredo]

112. They can impeach, but it doesn't mean shit if the Senate doesn't vote for removal. Other than

wasting time and money they could lose even more seats in the house. Anyway, they started impeachment talk even before he was sworn into office.


The public won't see this as anything more that the Republicans doing anything they can do to keep from doing the job they were sent to DC to do.

[Doc Holliday]

114. Exactly right.

The Republicans can impeach until they're red in the face....don't mean a thing unless the Senate will convict. But it does waste a lot of time, effort and money.

This is another of those "cringe if you're from Texas" articles.

[alfredo]

117. If the president is popular, no way will he be convicted. Nixon was not popular and knew he

would be convicted so he quit.

[railsback]

123. Stockman even admits that the President DOES HAVE THIS POWER

Impeach on the grounds of using legal powers afforded to the Executive Branch?

Ok, then.

[Sherman A1]

125. Frankly,

he can be impeached for just about anything the House chooses to use as grounds. Impeachment is a political process and not necessarily one of an actual act or evidence as we would see in a court of law.

They will either decide to impeach or not, it makes no real difference as I suspect it will never make it to the House Floor, much less through the Senate.

One Congressman shooting off his mouth does not an Article of Impeachment make.

[EC]

32. If the President does what

Bush senior did, they can't impeach him since there is precedent set already...this is just making him (the repub) look like an extremist.

[Mojorabbit]

72. Of course they can impeach him

or to be more precise,they can try to impeach him. That does not mean they will be successful. I doubt they would be but it would be a circus for months on end. Everything would stop. I shudder to think of it. I have no doubt they will try to do it.

[kestrel91316]

34. Start coughing up some reasons why he can LEGITIMATELY be impeached,

or we're going to think you are prevaricating when you tell us this: "I voted straight democratic ticket this last election,i supported Obama in both his bids for the presidency and sent money to his campaign both times."

[Tigress DEM]

79. What do rethugs CARE about LEGITIMATE reasons for ANYTHING?

They can legitimize rape and election rigging.

They already are blaming Obama for all of Bush's crimes because he's the first black man on the scene after they were committed.

It's just another side show with a "values issue" so they can take the heat off their own poor performance.

How many rethugs were having affairs and dumping their wives while they went after Clinton for Monica Lewinsky?

DEMs can be honestly concerned for Obama being railroaded unfairly into impeachment without being trolls. There IS a precedent in the rethug party for being completely irrational when it comes to double standards.

Their party can support health care, until Obama does.

Their party can support sensible immigration as proposed by *ush, until Obama does.

They can be completely silent on the crimes of the *ush regime until Obama is in position to take the fall for it.

It isn't anything against Obama that the rethugs are a bunch of hypocrites two cookies short of a dozen.




Still. If Obama stands up to them, I stand behind him. Or even in front.

Maybe we DEMs should start packing guns and standing outside rethug offices. Not that we'd use them, just to remind them that it goes both ways.

[malibea]

87. Good thoughts!

I applaud you for the good statements you made. It is about time some of us Dems stand up and be counted, and as you say "it goes both ways"- Hello! I am sick of their tired, old bullshit indicating the repugs are the ONLY ones that can act and be "mean and nasty". I'm with you sweetheart.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

105. you got another rec here.

Wish I could KnR posts.

You speak truth.

[kestrel91316]

106. "....Maybe we DEMs should start packing guns and standing outside rethug offices...."

Not a bad idea atall.

[Gore1FL]

44. It won't happen, but if Obama was impeached he'd come out if it fine if it did.

It would be politically motivated bullshit. If they managed to get enough Republicans to impeach in the house, they won't get a Democrat in the Senate to vote for removal. Removal becomes difficult if the best you can hope for is 45 votes.

It will damage the GOP more than anything else. It will be clear that they are going to impeach every time a Democrat gets re-elected to a second term in the modern era.

They won't do it. If they did, it would probably fail in the House. If it didn't fail there, it would definitely fail in the Senate. The entire time, it would fail with the American people.

[billh58]

46. Well aren't you special?

You actually come on a Democratic discussion board and lecture to us that you voted a "straight democratic ticket?" Should that be a "straight Democratic ticket?" The use of the small "d" is usually a give away, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

As for admonishing us to beware calling someone an "asshole," until we "look up what Obama (you forgot the "President&quot can be impeached for" the answer is that we have looked it up. First of all, the House can bring impeachment charges against President Obama for eating a hamburger. They would rather use an inflammatory issue like gun control so that they can fire up those who can't think for themselves.

"Impeachment" is only a charge, and nothing more. The process begins in the House, and after they get their stories straight, it requires a simple majority to pass the Articles of Impeachment. This is similar to a Grand Jury, although it is subject to partisan politics -- as in the President Clinton impeachment.

From the House it goes to the Senate for the "trial" phase of the process. In order for the Senate to "convict" it requires a two-thirds majority. The Republicans do not have enough votes to carry a conviction -- regardless of the charges.

Now please find the nearest fire extinguisher and apply it to your hair...

[donnasgirl]

69. Don't need a fire extinguisher billh58

I talk to many individuals every day. I am basically Democrat,(Independent voter) and some of my associates are Republican, and we fight tooth and nail every day about policy, taxes, the war, welfare, medical care, and a myriad of other political subjects including the need for unions. Our daily verbal bouts end immediately when the Second Amendment comes up. In that regard, we are one not one is willing to give up any of our rights,not even the ones we disagree on.ALL OF OUR RIGHTS ARE SACRED

[billh58]

81. Spoken like a true NRA

right-wing Gungeon parrot. The 2nd Amendment says (in the first part of the sentence -- you know the part you and your friends skip over) "a well regulated militia" and NOT a well armed militia."

You do not have a "right" to own or carry an AR-15. You do not have a "right" to own any semi-automatic, high-capacity lethal weapon. We Democrats can, and will, introduce sane legislation and impose rational regulation (the Executive can regulate) aimed at reducing the obscene proliferation of guns and gun deaths in this country.

Go back to the gun fetishist board that sent you here and tell them you need better talking points.

[Katashi_itto]

120. +100

[NYC_SKP]

136. You are delightful.

I would like to breed with you or your kin, I think my genetic material would help the collective DNA bank in becoming more diverse and enlightened.

Send a PM, I'll be in Maui in two weeks if you want to hook up.

[geek tragedy]

130. Every AR-15 is a gift from god, huh?

You gun nuts are something else.

[CBHagman]

71. "...after they get their stories straight..."

How well I remember the Henry Hyde editing down the Agincourt speech from Henry V back when the 'cans were hunting themselves some Clinton.

[malibea]

89. Bill, I LOVE it!

Way to go! I Love, Love it!

[oldbanjo]

111. But what happens to the Country when this stupidity is going on?

[underthematrix]

49. I believe an impeachment of President Obama is what one would call slojam a coup d'etat.

The republican party has turned into a domestic terrorist cell of a larger issue. I think we need to start following the money because I definitely believe another country is involved.
A president cannot be impeached for issuing executive orders consistent with the powers of his office. The GOP knows this but they figure their hateful ignorant constituents do not. Most of the rabid anti-gun control republicans do not understand the second amendment because they do not have a basic understanding of the English language. The republican party represents the most ignorant and hateful of American constituents. Their ignorance and hate is being fed by congressional republican leadership and rightwing media outlets. Yes, these people are dangerous so I imagine homeland security is aware and on top of the problem.

[malibea]

90. You use all the correct adjectives for these repugnant nitwits! Thank you.

Thanks for using all of the correct adjectves to describe these no-brain repugnant nitwits!Hateful, ignorant and no understanding of the English language (better known as ILLITERATE!).

I, too, do hope that homeland security is aware of and on top of the problem.

And to think they are considered LEADERS by their constituents- how sad!

[kjackson227]

107. I see that I'm not the only one...

who thinks the Republican Party is thisclose in becoming home-grown terrorists. Republicans have waged war on the American people, and they're hurting this country just as much as any foreign terrorist cell. I know these are pretty harsh words, but this is my opinion.

[jpak]

53. I voted straight Democrat too and I think George W. Bush is GOD

WEEEEEEEeeeeeee!!!1111

[John2]

74. It is very telling

that you already know what the Republican Party is looking for. I submit the danger to this country is not the President of the United States but the extremists in the Republican Party. They are a threat to the Constitution and our way of life. I submit that you do not just go back to the founders of the Constitution but include the Era of 1860 in the interim. That was another era when this country found itself in danger from people's rights like you are defending.

Anybody can look at the current characteristics of the present Republican Party and see where this current treasonable attitude has incubated itself just like 1860, when you also have numerous members of the current Republican Party having the audacity to even signing petitions to secede from this country. They do not have the right to do so which was settled in 1865, just like they don't have so now. They do not respect this country or our Democracy. If public opinion wants to enforce gun laws, no one has the right to impede such restrictions. Just like it was reasonable to enforce such search procedures under the guise of National Security and preventing Terrorrism. I did not hear your rightwing Southern peers arguing about rights then. They only argue when Americans are the wrong ethnicity or in the wrong states, and don't look like them. Respond to that, my mind is open to your reply.

[malibea]

92. All I can say is "OUCH"!

My entire response to your eloquently worded comment is "OUCH"! You go!

And as we would say when I was much younger "Now"!!!

[kjackson227]

108. ...

"I submit the danger to this country is not the President of the United States but the extremists in the Republican Party. They are a threat to the Constitution and our way of life".

"Anybody can look at the current characteristics of the present Republican Party and see where this current treasonable attitude has incubated itself..."

Truer words have never been spoken, and I think the vast majority of Americans are beginning to see the Republican Party the same as we do. I only hope that our intelligence agencies are paying attention.

[bemildred]

75. This irresponsible shit has to stop. NOTHING else is more important.

Ending disfunctional government, however you want to put it is the FIRST thing we have to do. If these assholes are going to drive the country into the ditch - a project well-along now - we might as well get it over with, it's not going to be something to prolong.

[AzDar]

2. Fucking clown.

[ZRT2209]

57. +1

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. The president's actions? WHAT ACTIONS????

These people are fucking delusional. Obama has not said or done a thing that would take anyone's weapons away.

[onehandle]

4. Rep. Steve Stockman (P-ro Kindergartner Killing) nt

[graham4anything]

5. Hey, at least this asshole is giving their real reason they want their guns and not hiding

and not hiding behind women and children like the terrorists normally do

[msanthrope]

6. Go ahead. Make his day. nt

[pepperbear]

7. “attack on the very founding principles of this republic.”

so the founding principle of the republic was "gun ownership at all costs." gotcha.

[mbperrin]

8. Why did I know it would some nitwit from my beloved state of Texas?

How long, lord, must a state that never had a Republican in state office until 1980 keep them now?

Apologies to the rest of the country. Thank god he's not my actual congresscritter, but the stink rubs off.

[onenote]

88. You have a rather idealized view of your beloved state of Texas.

While Texas historically was the home of many notable Democrats, including LBJ and Sam Rayburn, its always had its fair share of conservatives, whether or not they called themselves Republicans or Democrats. As someone who appreciates LBJ for his efforts on behalf of civil rights and fighting poverty, I also marched against his policies with respect to Vietnam and suspect that many on DU would still vilify LBJ for those policies. As for there not being a Republican in state office until 1980, that's true if you focus on the governorship and if you ignore the fact that John Connally was Democrat while Governor, but became a republican (his true colors?) shortly thereafter. And there has been a republican elected on a statewide basis since 1961, when John Tower was elected Senator. At least one of the two Senators from Texas has been a Republican for the past 52 years in a row.

Sadly, most states have their share of nuts. Texas may have more than their share now, but they've always had them.

[lark]

94. Apology not needed

You didn't put those jerk Repugs in office in TX and sounds like you voted against them.

Many of us are from places where our elected officials are nitwits and assholes - I'm from FL so suffer with Rick Scott. WI, OH, ID, KS, their legislatures and governors are all awful too. We just work diligently to change things, to open a few minds to the truth, so maybe next time, things will get better.

[malibea]

98. You have my sympathy!

Hi sweetie, you have my sympathy. You can't help the others--only yourself and you seem to be on the correct path. Just keep up the good work and someday, maybe, hopefully, the others will see the light! There is always hope.

[benddem]

9. tell him to read the

constitution. I am so sick of these morans. And sicker of the morans who vote for them.

[MyNameGoesHere]

10. Oh another volunteer to have his guns pried from his cold dead hands.

Any means necessary right?

[thucythucy]

56. I love how conservative Republicans have taken to quoting

Malcolm X.

[bowens43]

128. hey, what ever it takes.....

[NewJeffCT]

11. High crime or misdemeanor?

which one is it?

[cantbeserious]

12. Gun Enthusiasts, Gun owners, Gun Apologists Are Making Fools Of Themselves Daily

eom

[JoeyT]

131. Plenty of gun owners oppose the NRA.

But keep waving that broad brush around.

[cantbeserious]

133. Then Add Your Voice To The Growing Chorus Of Dissent

eom

[JoeyT]

135. My voice was part of the growing chorus of dissent.

After hearing calls to lynch gun owners, hearing gun owners called mentally ill (Note: Gun owners, not NRA members.), and seeing tons of proposals that rival the NRA for crazy, and repeatedly being called a gun nut for using the real name for things, I've kind of lost any hope we'll get anything that remotely approaches rational.

I figure we're going to get something that makes the people that think guns are tools of the debbil happy by banning something scary looking, it won't actually be anything popular enough to piss off the gun nuts, and it won't have much of an effect on mass murderers or spree killers. I honestly hope I'm wrong.

[CanonRay]

13. There's another reasonable Repbulican legislator

Do I really need the sarcasm thingy?

[BlueJazz]

14. Stick it up your ass...you piece of human garbage.

[indepat]

15. Nothing Republicans do, neither singularly nor in aggregate,

is an existential threat to the nation or an attack on the very founding principles of this nation although they do nothing to promote the general welfare but, instead solely promote the welfare of their special interests. Nosiree! I shan't label Congressman Stockman as an asshole since no sitting Congressman should be labeled as such, no matter how deserving and how descriptive and apropos the term.

[Ferretherder]

78. Allow me to assuage your guilty conscience over the labeling thing...

...I have NO SUCH qualms with taking the low road on this one....

Congressman Stockman - ASSHOLE!!!!

There. Did it for you.

[indepat]

99. Thanks and mucho kudos

[malibea]

100. Thanks for the "assuagenation". Let me know if you need a hand with that!

Hi there, Ferretherder. I am glad you could lend some assuagenation to one of our fellow Dems who needed a little help in the "labeling thingy". Let me know if you need a hand- I don't have a problem with it either!

P.S. and as much as the repugnants have derided and insulted Democrats, I definitely don't have an problem giving a little payback.

[Ferretherder]

109. My pleasure malibea(and indepat),...

...allow me to wallow in the muck of abject partisanship for both of you!

[malibea]

129. Wallow away!

Thank you! Wallow away in good health- there's enough for all of us to enjoy.

[aristocles]

16. High crime? Misdemeanor?

As cited in an earlier post today: Former President Gerald Ford, when serving as Minority Leader of the House of Representatives, observed that the House of Representatives can impeach a ham sandwich, just for being a ham sandwich. In short, impeachable offenses are whatever a majority of the House of Representatives declares them to be.

[santamargarita]

17. I dare you servile scum to try it.

It would never get past Congress!
You know these rat bastards are going find some lame ass excuse for impeachment.

[aristocles]

18. It would never get past the Senate. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

24. But it would tie up any substantive political action for some time

a smear the Obama presidency

[thucythucy]

31. Or it might prompt a backlash against the Republicans

and the gun lobby--especially if, and I certainly and sincerely hope this doesn't happen--we have more school massacres during the process.

These people are playing with political fire. They, and gun owners who refuse to compromise, are letting the most extreme of the extreme set their agenda. And just as the GOP discovered that letting their party get hijacked by the Teabaggers meant political suicide in 2012, it may also discover that hitching their star to an ever more absurd and irrelevant gun lobby might spell electoral doom in 2014.

Especially, as I said, if there are more massacres, more extremism, more children's coffins being delivered to the nation's cemeteries. And who among us can now guarantee that won't happen?

[Paulie]

35. These do nothing republicans aren't doing anything anyways

How can things be more tied up when they are so busy trying and failing to repeal Obamacare and still haven't passed a budget in how many years?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

37. It took a lot of out the Clinton administration no reason to expect different this time around

[thucythucy]

41. That was then, this is now.

Clinton actually did lie about something, and though the charges against him were hyped and bogus, he had to make a serious defense.

President Obama, a constitutional scholar, is sure not to make the same mistake. The charges against him will be perceived to be what they will no doubt be: bogus, trumped up nonsense which will, I think, turn off the vast majority of voters.

Remember--Democrats actually picked up seats during the midterm election in 1998--because of the backlash against Gingrich and impeachment.

If they try it again, I think we could be looking at a Democratic landslide in 2014.

Followed by significant gun control legislation.

[Historic NY]

54. Funny but he left office with a high popularity record...

it didn't do them much good he wore it as a badge of honor.

[LanternWaste]

64. What specifically leads you to believe it would

What specifically leads you to believe it would "take a lot out of the administration" that could not and cannot be easily countered by this administration?

Unless you're simply (rather simply) equating that the two actions, twenty years apart are exactly the same in form, format and function, and lack any reliance on the events, the dramatis persona, and the issues of the here and now...

[ProgressiveProfessor]

65. It would take the focus off of whatever other legislation is underway and it would be

impeachment 24/7. That is the soundbite mentality of the media and of many pols. Impeachment is the ultimate shiny new object. It almost does not matter why.

[onenote]

93. I doubt it would tie up much of anything

Impeachment resolutions aren't all that rare. Henry Gonzalez introduced one against George HW Bush in 1991. Several were introduced against W during his time in office. Hell, crazy Bob Barr introduced one against Clinton more than two months before anyone had ever heard of Monica Lewinsky. None of those impeachment resolutions tied up Congress for a moment.

Yes, the impeachment effort against Clinton after the Starr report was released tied up Congress, but not for that long. The Starr report was released in September 1998, the matter was handled at the judiciary committee level until mid December and the debate over whether to pass the articles of impeachment lasted only a couple of weeks. Congress then went out for its holiday recess, convening in early January. The Senate trial lasted around five weeks. Again, Congress had various planned recesses during that period as well.

Stockman knows as well as anyone that if he introduces an impeachment resolution (and it would come as no surprise if he did) it won't go anywhere. But it will serve as a useful fundraising tool for him as he can appeal nationally to all the nutjobs who think Obama shouldn't be president for this, that, or the other reason. He's not stupid. First member out the door with such a resolution is the one that gets the tea party's recognition for his supposed "bravery" in standing up for their nonsense.

[Blue_Tires]

134. Hardly...Stockman is just talking loud shit to get his 15 minutes...

One podunk congresscritter or another has been regularly threatening impeachment since early '09...

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. Yeah, right Stockpen

Whatever it takes to make you look like a jerk is fine with us.

[wtmusic]

20. A2 has kept this nation free?

In what deluded universe is this hero living?

[AsahinaKimi]

21. The Republicans have been looking for any excuse to scream Impeachment...

Since DAY one of his administration. Sean Hannity leading the charge over at Fox News... crazy Birther Orly Taitz, the list goes on and on. It comes down to racism. They just can't stand it that their men lost... and that an "other" has now occupied the White House.
Let them sit on it and rotate... The POTUS is not going anywhere until his term is up.

[hack89]

22. What an idiot. nt

[duhneece]

23. 2nd Amendment is NOT sacred

Women didn't have the right to vote, slavery was still legal when the Constitution was written.

We've repealed amendments before, we can do it again if there's enough demand. That's what a democracy is for.

[Gore1FL]

47. The 2nd Amendment mandates regulation

The people claiming it as being violated, don't know what it says, don't understand legal precedent, or are unfamiliar with decades of gun control laws that passed constitutional tests.

There is no need to repeal the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't do what people claim it does, and especially for the reasons they claim it does it.

[ThomThom]

52. the 2nd amendment is not about regulation or private gun ownership

When they used the word regulate back then, it was about training and oversight of the state citizen militias which would be the National Guard today. We did not have a standing army yet. Congress has the power to regulate because they have the power to make laws. They have passed many laws about weapons including an assault weapons ban that has expired.

[Gore1FL]

59. If not the 2nd, where does the right to regulate firearms come from?

Especially given the 9th and 10th?

[onenote]

95. Interstate commerce?

Where does the right to regulate any product come from?

The Constitution doesn't say anything about a well regulated toy industry, but OSHA regulates toy safety. The Second Amendment isn't necessary as the basis for regulating firearms and doesn't "mandate" any particular form of regulation; but the reference to "well regulated" does mean that the Second Amendment does not stand as an absolute bar to regulation of firearms.

[ThomThom]

97. thanks nt

[Gore1FL]

113. Good point

Thanks.

[billh58]

86. The Executive may also

"regulate" through various non-legislative actions without the approval of Congress. Federal Agencies can issue broad regulations as long as they do not violate the Constitution. The President can issue Executive Orders in furtherance of managing the operations of the Federal Government, and they have the force of law.

See this article from Mother Jones concerning the legal options that President Obama has available to him without the need for Congressional approval:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/obama-administration-gun-control-congress-executive-order-regulation

[ThomThom]

96. very true thanks for the addition

I'll check out the Mother Jones piece

[billh58]

25. Wait for it...

The NRA/Gungeon right-wing cheerleaders will be here post haste to proclaim Stockman their "patriot" hero, and to pledge their undying devotion and fealty.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

39. Another false meme from you

[apocalypsehow]

68. What's left of that crowd is a *little* brighter: they don't praise Stockman, but the sly

implication up and down this thread from that crowd is that impeachment would take time and energy from "other" priorities, the underlying theme being that President Obama should NOT use his justified executive authority to curb gun violence in this country.

They're still not fooling anybody, but they have, for this thread anyway, changed tactics.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Here is Stockman. Why do Texans wear their name on the back of their belts?

So when he gets his head out of his ass he will know who he is.

[thucythucy]

28. "The right to keep and bear arms kept his country secure"

during World War II? That's odd, from my reading of history, I thought it was the US military, under the command first of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and then under the command of President Harry S. Truman, both of them good Democrats, that did that.

I don't recall private gun owners playing much role at all in that conflict, except as draftees or volunteers in a professional military.

President Obama is an "existential threat" to the nation?

These people are ignorant, delusional, ridiculous. And these are the folks we're supposed to trust to set our public policy toward firearms?

[Botany]

38. existential threat?

I knew that philosophy 210 class was going to come in handy some day.
They really are nucking futz. If they are this crazy I don't want them to
even think about owning a gun ..... for 1/2 of them they might be really
crazy and the other 1/2 must just playing pretend.

[rdking647]

29. id love to see him try

the GOP would be exposed to public ridicule on a nationwide basis

[dogman]

33. It would be hard to impeach him for enforcing the Constitution.

He should make sure the militia is well regulated.

[pinto]

36. Obama countered this absurd assumption very well this morning. Stockman is merely playing

to the home crowd with this bluster. Sound bite politics...

[dellcophill]

40. never heard of bull like this

stockmans a asshole kill the kids and save the guns

[DinahMoeHum]

42. Neah neah-neah neah neah booga booga booga. . .

Just another tough-talking hombre in the saloon.

(Yawn!)

[Tx4obama]

43. Bill Clinton AND George H.W. Bush both have issued executive orders regarding gun control

-snip-

There's ample precedent. After a mass school shooting in Stockton, California, in 1989, George H.W. Bush issued an executive order, pursuant to the 1968 Gun Control Act, that banned imports of certain assault weapons unless used for sporting purposes. Years later, Bill Clinton by executive order banned imports of almost five dozen different assault weapons that had been modified to get through that "sporting purposes" exemption. President Obama could go even further.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/obama-executive-power-debt-ceiling_b_2447359.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

[zbdent]

45. So whatever happened to all that talk about creating jobs?

I guess they have to keep trying to repeal Obama breathing and such ...

[Angry Dragon]

48. Does that mean I get to keep my Abrams tank and my RPG's??

[w8liftinglady]

50. Geez... Stockman has a history of Idiocy.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/todd-j-gillman/20120804-todd-j.-gillman-colorful-controversial-steve-stockman-returns-to-spotlight-with-primary-win.ece

http://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/keep-taxes-low/new-texas-congressman-steve-stockman-voting-against-speaker-boehner-0049781

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1996/Controversial-Congressman-Steve-Stockman-Tries-For-Second-Term/id-068c697f0fe372fb413c65656b14758c

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-04-25/news/mn-58772_1_oklahoma-city-bombing

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/03/former-congressman-steve-stockman-remember-him-files-for-ron-pauls-seat/

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/11/us/gop-lawmaker-defeated-in-texas-runoff.html

Ahhh... saving this for My Dallas Morning News friends.

[madrchsod]

62. wow he`s crazy!!!

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

51. Can someone tell him to calm the fuck down?

Geeze this issue is more divisive than any other one facing our country today. We can't come to some kind of agreement if they all react in this fashion. It's like an alcoholic who won't admit there is a problem..................

[obama2terms]

55. What a clown

Yeah right! This wouldn't even pass the senate

[BadgerKid]

58. Going somewhere, Solo?

We will see to your impeachment should you proceed.



Yes, I bet you will.

[OldRedneck]

60. Memo to Rep. Stockman (BATSHIT CRAZY, TEXICO)

Call me when POTUS Obama is impeached.

Here's my number: 1-800-EAT-SHIT.

[llmart]

61. Who?

[putitinD]

63. Bring it Stinkman!!!!1!!

[davidpdx]

66. So now we have two threats of impeachment

Let the games begin.

[triplepoint]

70. So Rep. Stockman, A GunNut Sphincter Says What?

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Saw the movie, "Fail-Safe" again the other night.
(https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/failsafe). Groeteschele's (portrayed by the late great Walter Matthau) famous dialogue stopped me cold:

"How long would the Nazis have kept it up General, if every Jew they came after had met them with a gun in his hand?"

--Walter Matthau, as Groeteschele in "Fail Safe" (1964)

It is a stunner to actually watch and hear Matthau's character utter these words. This so reeks of gun nut illogic to me. They've yet to evolve past this base mentality, as we head into another phony assault weapons ban fight with them.

The remake (2000) of Fail-Safe may capture this as well. I'll post the original or a clip of Matthau's character uttering the above dialog when I find it.
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[Le Taz Hot]

76. Guns are the "very founding principles of this republic?"

And this is a United States Congressman. I don't even know how to respond to that.

[JoePhilly]

77. I bet he's also against cutting military spending.

[Paladin]

80. "Existential": Big Word For A Knuckle-Dragger Like Stockman. (nt)

[bubbayugga]

82. bring it on you gutless motherfuckers.

[ancianita]

83. As with the word "liberal," they presume to own the words "patriot" and "treason," using them all

to vilify those who disagree with them on how best to govern and secure this country. They continue to box themselves into a box called "sexist, racist, fascist authoritarian." Upholding gun rights at the expense of all the other freedoms or respect for their elected president is a slow motion coup d'etat setup. This last election showed that the use of fear has its limits and that their politics will go into the ash bin of history.

[Paladin]

84. How Many More Blessings Are The Pro-Gun Absolutists Going To Grant Us?

Visualize the room in which such an impeachment hearing would take place: At one table sits twice-elected President Barack Obama, an extremely intelligent, even-tempered, accomplished politician with a record of moderate positions on a wide variety of issues. Seated behind him is the popular, accomplished First Lady, and perhaps the Obama daughters. Also nearby are the parents of the children slain in Connecticut this past December. Facing the President is a group consisting largely of lilly-white, bought-and-paid-for, legislative gun thugs. Their supporters in the audience include such luminaries as Wayne LaPierre, Ted Nugent, and Jim Yeager.

Rep. Steve Stockman is demonstrably stupid enough to want such a scenario to happen. Suits me.

[mrsadm]

101. I just CANNOT BELIEVE there are people so crazy in this country!!!!!!

I wish I'd been born in the UK....... ugh.

[Dont call me Shirley]

102. Rep Steve Stockman: Gun Manufacter's and Retailer's Whore

[davesliberal1977_gg]

103. By all means, go ahead Mr. Stockman, you ass

Please feel free to make yourself look like a typical GOP idiot. Your party is already in deep doo-doo as it is. I'll be laughing so hard when your party is defeated in the next election.

[hamsterjill]

104. Yet another Republican idiot grandstanding for headlines.

Is it desperation that makes these people do these stupid things?

[struggle4progress]

110. Right now seems a swell time to listen to some Jimmy Buffet

[Politicub]

115. The second amendment should have never made it in the constitution

But imperfect men wrote the constitution and proposed this amendment, causing an untold number of gun deaths.

Nothing is perfect in this world, and it's unfortunate that it would be nearly impossible to remove this vestigial organ from our founding documents.

[47of74]

116. I'd tell Stockman the following...

...bring it you stupid fuck. See how far that goes in the Senate, you grandstanding piece of horse shit.

[alfredo]

118. Give the teabaggers Idaho on the condition that they shut the fuck up.

[BlueManFan]

119. Jezus this state is nuttier than a squirrel turd

I'm fucking embarassed to live here.

[Beartracks]

121. Stockman, what part of "well-regulated" are you not getting?

The "keep and bear arms" part is not the only part of the second amendment.

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[Gabby Hayes]

122. The strange case of Steve Stockman and the Oklahoma City Bombing

Every time I hear Stockman's name I think of dead children.

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-04-25/news/mn-58772_1_oklahoma-city-bombing

[olddad56]

124. we are living in a society where too many would choose lethal weapons over freedom or liberty

maybe that is because we have already lost our freedom and liberty.

[no_hypocrisy]

126. In civil law, there is an action called frivolous action.

You can be penalized for making a baseless accusation for the sole purpose to harass and/or intimidate another party.

Is there such a remedy for Congress to discourage rampant impeachment charges?

[bowens43]

127. " has kept this nation free and secure for over 200 years"

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms is what has kept this nation free and secure for over 200 years. "

quite possibly one of the dumbest remarks any congressman has ever made.

The Constitution REQUIRES regulation. I wish these dumb asses would actually READ the Constitution instead of spewing out what they thin it says.

where do they get these idiots?

[Zambero]

132. Who needs a Supreme Court when we have Teabaggers?

Yes, let's just entrust sensitive constitutional issues with freshmen idealogues in Congress, and bypass the Supreme Court altogether. Then go directly to the nuclear option of impeachment on that basis. Now this begs another question: Just who in this debate should be removed for office for bypassing the processes set forth in the Constitution and violating one's oath of office?