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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:21 PM Jan 2013

Application fees for Idaho Citadel being sent to group linked to extortionist

Source: Idaho Statesman

Application fees that may total more than $40,000 for people hoping to join an armed community in northern Idaho are being sent to a political group tied to a man with federal extortion and firearms convictions on his record.

People who want to join the Citadel — a walled, pro-gun community being advertised online — must pay $208 to apply. The planners said on the Citadel's website in December that more than 200 applications had been filed.

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Christian Kerodin was sentenced in federal court in Virginia nine years ago to 30 months in prison and a $6,000 fine after pleading guilty to extortion and possessing and unregistered firearm.

The extortion charge arose after Kerodin published a report online of shopping malls that he said were likely terrorist targets, and presented himself as a security expert, according to news accounts from 2004. Kerodin reportedly sent letters to mall owners saying he would release similar reports on 14 other malls, then demanded $122,500 from a Department of Homeland Security agent posing as a mall executive.


Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/01/22/2421922/application-fees-for-idaho-citadel.html

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Application fees for Idaho Citadel being sent to group linked to extortionist (Original Post) IDemo Jan 2013 OP
They've actually had people APPLY for that bullshit?? Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #1
Do you ever see the tv show "Shameless?" Atman Jan 2013 #4
I was a kid at the time, but I do remember a common phrase from some adults: Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #5
I bet there's enough preppers to support that kind of community. phantom power Jan 2013 #10
We saw all of this during Y2K, and even earlier when they were scared shitless of Janet Reno Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #11
Scam e-mails are badly written for a reason. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #17
More Gun Nuttery. Atman Jan 2013 #2
A fool and his money are soon parted.... n/t BumRushDaShow Jan 2013 #3
If This Citadel Community Ever Gets Off the Ground . . . cer7711 Jan 2013 #6
I've been poking around the website for the Citadel... phantom power Jan 2013 #8
That Might Be a Pre-emptive Strike Against the "Aryan Nations" cer7711 Jan 2013 #12
I imagine High Noon will come soon enough 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #9
What I am thinking... jmowreader Jan 2013 #21
Well residents will be comforted that Kerodin will not be one of those able to own a fire arm. grantcart Jan 2013 #7
No good will come to this kind of a place. None what so ever. I can see it now. When southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #13
Good. I hope they all lose money to this fraud. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #14
I also hope that the IRS does real tax enforcement on these people and conficates property if they kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #15
I would bet you could count the minorities that apply on one finger Bandit Jan 2013 #16
I feel for the people of Idaho who have to put up with these nut cases. Maybe .. YOHABLO Jan 2013 #18
Having spent much of my life in Idaho... Frank Cannon Jan 2013 #19
The consensus of opinion in Benewah County is "wtf?" jmowreader Jan 2013 #20
I wonder if the Citadel will publish the homeowners association rules. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #22
Shit, I need to start something like this up...Right Wingers love to throw money away Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #23

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
1. They've actually had people APPLY for that bullshit??
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jan 2013

Jesus fucking Christ why did I ever go to college and grad school without learning how to bilk suckers for their money??

Atman

(31,464 posts)
4. Do you ever see the tv show "Shameless?"
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jan 2013

A little tough to watch, but it's just about my favorite thing on tv. It's about a poor extended family with a raging alcoholic dad and a crazy mother who abandoned them years ago. The oldest daughter of six kids (the blazing hot Emmy Rossum) cares for the kids. They're perpetually broke, no one has a legit job, drunk dad is constantly stealing the rent money or pulling disability scams.

Anyway, last Sunday's episode was great; The oldest daughter uses the already overdue property tax money to buy her way into hosting a club gig, thinking she'll make a big profit and be able to pay the taxes with some left over. Of course, things don't exactly work out. Brother warns her (and here is my point, and how it relates to your post): "Poor people can't ahead. There's no way to actually make enough money unless you're stealing or scamming."

Bilking suckers.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. I was a kid at the time, but I do remember a common phrase from some adults:
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jan 2013

"You gotta steal to survive in today's Reaganomics"

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
10. I bet there's enough preppers to support that kind of community.
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jan 2013

We'll see. Saying you like the idea and packing the family off to Idaho are two different things. Still, considering the number of people who start these kinds of survivalist 2nd (or primary) homesteads all by themselves, I can imagine it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. We saw all of this during Y2K, and even earlier when they were scared shitless of Janet Reno
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jan 2013

And despite their lofty plans, we all know this "community" (if it becomes reality) will be some tents and porta-potties, lacking pretty much every basic necessity aside from guns and ammo...

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
17. Scam e-mails are badly written for a reason.
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jan 2013

Only the truly dumb and gullible will overlook the errors. And they're the ones who will come through with payment after payment.

Pay your $208 and qualify to pour^h^h^h^hinvest even more money.

cer7711

(502 posts)
6. If This Citadel Community Ever Gets Off the Ground . . .
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jan 2013

. . . I hope we track the instances of domestic abuse that are sure to occur within those hallowed, "pro-gun" walls and compare them to the community-at-large that exists outside those walls.

Because here's the thing: I can understand a wide variety of demographic types being "pro-gun" in the sense that they just happen to own one or two firearms (for whatever purposes). What sets off alarm bells in this instance is the notion that this community, in particular, is (a) being formed with the notion that its denizens are under siege and need to retreat behind fortified walls, (b) feel the need to identify themselves as "pro-gun" before any and all other social identifiers, and (c) are presumably ready and willing to pay $40k each to a convicted extortionist, fear-mongering con-man and unregistered firearm owner in order to "commune and convivify" with their own. And by "their own" I mean paranoid, violent and (most probably--does anyone doubt it?) openly racist.

What flag will they fly inside this armed and angry citadel, I wonder? I'm not asking a rhetorical question; I truly do wonder. A blood-red swastika banner? (Too on-the-nose, I suspect.) The rebel flag of the Confederacy? (Ditto.) The Don't-Tread-On-Me hissing snake flag adopted by the Tea-baggers? (There's a strong possibility.) A Smith-&-Wesson (or other gun company) logo? (They might sponsor the community for the privilege of having their corporate banner flown atop the citadel's ramparts.) A US flag flown upside down to indicate distress? (Another strong possibility.)

This won't end well, I fear . . .

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
8. I've been poking around the website for the Citadel...
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jan 2013

They make a point of claiming that they intend to abide by "all constitutional state and federal laws", and that "they do not intend to antagonize the govt in any way"

I have a pet theory that the adjective "constitutional" might be dog-whistle for "we're going to declare any laws we don't like unconstitutional and blow them off, probably on the down low."

However, on the face of it, they are making a statement that they aren't attempting to start some kind of revolutionary or anti govt community.

cer7711

(502 posts)
12. That Might Be a Pre-emptive Strike Against the "Aryan Nations"
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jan 2013

types out there Idaho-way who are a bit too overt and open about their neo-fascist proclivities and sympathies.

It'll be interesting--and instructive--to see how this all turns out. I suspect there is at least a 50% chance that the investors might lose a sizable portion (or the entirety) of their investment with nothing to show for it but fading fever-dreams of separatist life and well-thumbed, Mad-Max-world-like "Retire Behind the Walls of Our Armed Citadel!" prospectuses . . .

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
9. I imagine High Noon will come soon enough
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jan 2013

ANd these asshats will begin shooting each other. I can't wait. They are doing us a huge favor by gathering in one spot like that too.

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
21. What I am thinking...
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:11 PM
Jan 2013

They will fly three flags: a 13-star US flag because that's when Life Was Good In America, a Don't Tread On Me flag (which is the right color, if nothing else) and a flag with the logo of III Arms, the gun company that actually owns The Citadel.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
7. Well residents will be comforted that Kerodin will not be one of those able to own a fire arm.
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jan 2013
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2010/11/three-letter-frog-in-kerodins-pocket.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osint/message/36461

http://politicker.com/2013/01/meet-the-men-who-want-to-build-an-armed-castle-commune-for-patriots/

Mr. Kerodin was sentenced to 30 months in prison for the crime and an associated firearms charge. As a federal felon, Mr. Kerodin cannot own a weapon, but on his website, he says he is “exploring” legal avenues to “recover” his “firearms rights.”
 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
13. No good will come to this kind of a place. None what so ever. I can see it now. When
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jan 2013

a dog goes to a neighbor's yard and take a crap the home owner will get upset and shoot the dog and then the dog's owner will come over and shoot the guy that killed his dog. Before you know it all the neighbors will be outside defending their neighbor. Crazy but I bet something like that will happen.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
15. I also hope that the IRS does real tax enforcement on these people and conficates property if they
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:46 PM
Jan 2013

break the tax laws.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
16. I would bet you could count the minorities that apply on one finger
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jan 2013

Sounds like an all white good ol' boy club where anything goes to me..

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
18. I feel for the people of Idaho who have to put up with these nut cases. Maybe ..
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jan 2013

this way we can keep them contained.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
19. Having spent much of my life in Idaho...
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:25 AM
Jan 2013

I can assure you that these screwballs will be welcomed with open arms.

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
20. The consensus of opinion in Benewah County is "wtf?"
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:04 PM
Jan 2013

We print the newspaper for that county, and I read the articles and letters to the editor. There have been several about the Citadel, and so far no one--including the extremely-far-right managing editor of the newspaper--is in favor of five thousand maniacs building a walled fortress out there. You shoulda been here the night we printed the first paper about this: the married couple who run the paper back to St. Maries were on their phones laughing their asses off over this shit. You'd have thought someone gave them tickets to the greatest comedian in the world. It was truly delightful.

Some things I know:

Christian Allen Kerodin was convicted of extortion. He tried to get Washington, DC-area malls to employ him as a security consultant by threatening to publicize their security problems if they didn't hire him. Thirty months in the slammer later, he is no longer legally allowed to own weapons.

If you are approved for admittance, you will be allowed to LEASE, not buy, land. This is probably so they can kick you out if you turn out to be a Democrat anyway, although why a Democrat - or a Republican, for that matter - would want to live in the middle of fucking nowhere is beyond me. He calls it a "lifetime lease, payable in 30 years." Anyone who's read The Jungle knows this is the same setup they used to sell houses to the Slavic immigrant community in Packingtown.

They have a hunk of land at the top of Cherry Creek Road that will be their administrative office. This further proves these guys haven't ever actually been to Benewah County; they could get the land up there because it's only completely inaccessible two months out of the year. No one lives there now, and there's a reason for that. There are people who live on Cherry Creek Road, but the homes end long before the road does.

Their claimed land requirement is somewhere between 640 and 2500 acres. 640 acres is a square mile, or "section." 2500 acres, not coincidentally, is how large George W. Bush's ranch is. I imagine Shrub would be happy to part with it, seeing as how its only function was to make news coverage of him as difficult as possible.

One of the requirements for living in The Citadel is that you must maintain a year's supply of provisions. Considering where they're moving to, that's not a bad requirement: there are places in Benewah County that are only accessible by helicopter part of the year, and they're also the only places anyone can afford to buy a contiguous section.

The guy claims there will be "zero property taxes" in his walled fortress. I'm fairly certain whoever replaced my sister as Benewah County Assessor has other ideas. He says there won't be a code enforcement official, which also makes sense: people will be too afraid of getting shot for planting the wrong flowers in their window boxes to question code.

They also plan to support themselves through the manufacture of firearms - this makes sense, because the guy who is setting up this crazy ass scheme is a small gun manufacturer.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
22. I wonder if the Citadel will publish the homeowners association rules.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:01 AM
Jan 2013

That document should make for interesting reading.

Probably scribbled on old c-ration boxes.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
23. Shit, I need to start something like this up...Right Wingers love to throw money away
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:28 AM
Jan 2013

Friggin walking wallets, no brains, just a bunch of money walking around to be harvested

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