Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell Reach Filibuster Reform Deal
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- Progressive senators working to dramatically alter Senate rules were defeated on Thursday, with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and his counterpart, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), set to announce a series of compromise reforms on the Senate floor that fall far short of the demands. The language of the deal was obtained by HuffPost and can be read here and here.
The pressure from the liberal senators, led by Oregon Democrat Jeff Merkley and backed by a major coalition of progressive groups, created the political space for Reid to cut the deal with McConnell, which does include changes to how the Senate operates, but leaves a fundamental feature, the silent filibuster, in place.
The deal would address the filibuster on the motion to proceed, which had regularly prevented the Senate from even considering legislation and was a major frustration for Reid. The new procedure will also make it easier for the majority to appoint conferees once a bill has passed, but leaves in place the minority's ability to filibuster that motion once -- meaning that even after the Senate and House have passed a bill, the minority can still mount a filibuster one more time.
Reid won concessions on judicial nominations as well. Under the old rules, after a filibuster had been beaten, 30 more hours were required to pass before a nominee could finally be confirmed. That delay threatened to tie the chamber in knots. The new rules will only allow two hours after cloture is invoked.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/harry-reid-mitch-mcconnell-filibuster_n_2541356.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
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Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)I've never seen a Majority Leader more adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)much better, imo.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)blocked in the Senate, thanks to the cowardice of Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)He's like a reverse movie villain. He'll lay out a good plan, explain that he's not going to do it NOW for x,y,z reason, and then have it foiled very easily in very obvious ways.
NOVA_Dem
(620 posts)A lot of talk by leadership and then stabbed in the back by people like Levin and Feinstein.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Botany
(70,483 posts)Ian Iam
(386 posts)Oxymoronic. Or perhaps just moronic without addendum!
Botany
(70,483 posts).... Sen. Feinstien's assault rifle ban.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)So maybe she WANTS them to block her bill as an excuse to say she wanted the "right thing" to be done, but the senate Democrats don't have to answer for how the bill is filibustered to make sure the gun manufacturers and other "funders" still get their way...
Reid...
Merkley for Senate Majority leader in the next session after we see four more years of record-breaking obstruction!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)However they are always sent out to the media.
So many dashed hopes with her and Reid...I ignore most of the first Press releases until the details and votes come out.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)If he's not on the Presidential ticket.
Dr_Scholl
(212 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)On Thursday a group of Democratic senators led by Dianne Feinstein of California plans to introduce a bill that would outlaw more than 100 different assault weapons, setting up what promises to be a fraught and divisive debate over gun control in Congress in the coming weeks. But a number of centrist lawmakers like Mr. Manchin have already thrown the measures fate into question, saying that all they are willing to support for now is a stronger background check system.
After talking with the group for nearly two hours, Mr. Manchin left the meeting saying he was not at all comfortable with supporting the assault weapons ban favored by many of his colleagues in Congress.
Mr. Manchin is just the beginning of gun control advocates worries. Of far greater concern are Democrats who are up for re-election in 2014. Those include senators like Max Baucus of Montana, who was awarded an A+ rating from the N.R.A. Mr. Baucus has worded his comments on the subject carefully, bracketing them with gun rights-friendly language, like saying the culture of violence needs to be seriously examined along with any changes to the law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/us/politics/democratic-senators-face-gun-owners-roused-by-talk-of-new-laws.html?pagewanted=all
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)They had 47 Senators apparently that wanted the talking filibuster restored. I wouldn't call them all
'progressives'.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)Reid ought to just cross the aisle; he's done more to help the Republicans than the Democrats during the last few Congresses.
Ian Iam
(386 posts)There should be a mandatory retirement age for any legislators in any country!
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)I know this is frustrating, but consider this: in the future when the Rethugs control the Senate, they will not be able to pass any right-wing tea-bagger-backed legislation with a simple majority.
In the Pennsylvania State Senate, the filibuster doesn't exist and believe me with the GOP-controlled legislature ready to rig the electoral college votes there, I WISH the filibuster DID exist.
november3rd
(1,113 posts)Most states are blue majority. That's how Senators are selected, not by Congressional districts, which is the only reason the House is red.
former9thward
(31,970 posts)Seven Senate Democrats are up in 2014 in states Romney won.
John2
(2,730 posts)seven states and are there any Obama won that Republicans are up? I know of North Carolina,West Virginia,Alaska, South DaKota, Louisianna and Arkansas.
Romney won North Carolina by only two percentage points. The difference was Obama's drop in support from white women in that state. He got more support from white men this time. I don't think guns were the top issue with them much less than the corruption among local Democrats and high unemployment in the state. I think they would be more concerned about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid which the Republicans lied about than the NRA.
I think Obama can help Democrats in states like Florida, Wisconsin,Nevada, Ohio, Virginia,Pennsylvannia and Colorada. He also won New Hampshire. Kay Hagan of North Carolina not only depends on white Democrats but also minorities in North Carolina. She got more votes than President Obama in 2008. I also took a look at the Democratic versus Republican local vote in North Carolina. Something caught my attention. Local Democrats actually got more votes in North Carolina than Republicans but their problem was the Districts were gerrymandered. They had less Districts but more votes.
former9thward
(31,970 posts)In addition Rockefeller of W.VA is retiring in a red state. 12 of the Democrats are in red or swing states: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, South Dakota, Minnesota, New Hampshire, North Carolina, W. Virginia, and Virginia. All the GOP senators are in red states except Collins of Maine.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)Nothing is permanent in politics. Remember Rmoney did carry 24 states. And I don't think we can declare states like Ohio, Colorado, Virginia, or Florida as SOLIDLY blue (in league with Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Vermont) just yet.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)We pay these idiots to move forward, not COWER in fear of each other! Sure - lettum HAVE a filibuster - and make them stand and deliver for as long as their lungs hold out. This Blackmail - COUNTER Blackmail doesn't serve ANYONE. This is no more ludicrous than the self-imposed threat of not getting a paycheck if they can't pass a budget! Sure, sounds GREAT at a poverty class dinnertable. But WHO thinks for a moment that these idiots can't weather a few lost held up paychecks???
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)But completely throwing the filibuster out could prove to be a disaster down the road. It was our last line of defense we had during the first six years of Bush's presidency, and the Republicans have moved significantly to the right since then (hard to believe, but true).
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)They will change the rules on the first day, they will not do what Reid did and and appease anyone that would oppose their agenda, that is a faux Dem move (Washington generals as usual}.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)He wants it to LOOK like the mechanisms are in place to keep the Republicans from obstructing good bills, and is just preserving the pieces that continue to have them throw out excuses later of them "not having enough support" to get things passed.
As you note, if Republicans had a majority in the Senate, especially with moderates now out like Lugar and Snow, the FIRST DAY (and not even "extending that day" they'd vote to get rid of any filibuster power for the Democrats. THEY want to use the power of the majority. Reid, the SORRY EXCUSE he is for a Democrat, doesn't want to use that power for what Democrats voted in a majority of senators to do.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Have we learned no lessons from the GOP assaults on the Constitution and the electorate over the past couple of generations??
Smash mouth politics. Have we learned nothing about it?
THEY WILL NOT STOP. THEY WILL CRUSH opposition.
24601
(3,959 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Harry capitulated back then as well as I recall.
We were told Alito and Roberts must pass with a simple majority along with most of the Legislation because the Republicans said filibusters were not fair.
I know that they will change it unless we don't use it because that is how the last round went,
we will probably fold again and simple majority will be the way the Republican Senate does it's business, or we will refuse to fold and they will get rid of it altogether just like they promised.
I base it on the fact that they are on record saying they will.
24601
(3,959 posts)it up.
Then there's the aspect that it takes 2/3 of the Senate to change Senate rules (Senate Rule 22 - link below). The Senate considers itself a continuous body since only 1/3 are up for election every two years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_Rules_of_the_United_States_Senate,_Rule_XXII
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Today, they're implementing that plan.
Back when they held the majority, they believed they could win elections fairly. That's no longer the case. Which means they will no longer behave in a fair manner.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)the GOP won't take away the filibuster if they get back in the majority?
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... to cover up their complicity to enable the Republicans to block things that the corporate lobbyists don't want, and therefore some of the "bought" Democrats don't want either, but don't want to admit to being "bought" and paid for.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Now, if you study what the Republicans have been doing for the last two years, you might find there's no reason to believe the Republicans won't eliminate the filibuster if they ever get the majority back.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)the broader measure. What happened to the idea of flipping the onus to require 41 votes to filibuster instead of requiring 60 votes to end it?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)That article had been published earlier than "last week". So Merkley was not releasing names that weren't already mentioned to the public. So SUCK IT HARRY!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251279394
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)same shit different day.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)I've heard that my Senators Boxer and Feinstein both were not supporters of eliminating the silent filibuster. So Reid did the best he could without the votes.
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woo me with science
(32,139 posts)they will pretend to fight for next?
So now we are mysteriously falling short of Democratic votes for filibuster reform.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021809132
The Democratic Party's Deceitful Game
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
KoKo
(84,711 posts)sadly.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)to untie their own hands. When the repubs fillibuster again it will be their own fault. The Dems in the senate have this capacity of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Why did Reid have to sit down and negotiate with the minority party and treat then as if they were the majority? He may have not had the votes but I have watched Reid for years and he has to be one of the weakest Senate majority "leaders" I've seen.
GodlessBiker
(6,314 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)A majority of Americans are in favor of requiring senators who wish to filibuster a bill to actually stand up on the Senate floor and talk, according to a new HuffPost/YouGov poll.
The survey finds that 65 percent of Americans believe senators should have to "participate in debate for the entire filibuster," a proposal that has gained ground in recent weeks as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and President Barack Obama have thrown their support behind reform efforts. Only 9 percent of those polled said that senators should be able to filibuster without being physically present, and another 26 percent said they were unsure.
Apparently a "majority of Americans" equates to squat.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)I see nothing in there that will reduce the number of filibusters so everything will still take 60 votes to pass. It is hard to see how this can even be considered a baby step forward. And Sen. Reid should not take all of the heat for this failure. I applaud Sen. Merkley for naming the Democrats standing in the way of true filibuster reform. Senators Boxer and Reed were huge disappointments in this regard.
1917 was a bad year for America. Not only did World War I start but the debt ceiling law was passed and the filibuster rule was installed in the Senate. And I have to think that they are all related.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)and the media will sell it to the masses as such.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)They can't be said to have done anything if they don't partner with Republicans to enact what is favorable to Republicans, that being the case, the only way to make the lists is to put the D signature on GOP accomplishments, it is the pragmatic way to serve Corporations while misleading the voters into thinking they mean that silly progressive nonsense they spout during campaigns.
If you don't support the efforts to cave in a way that makes a list you are a firebagin' "retard" as Rahm might say.
We need fresh Thinking! Third Way lists and goals are the grown up thing to do.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)It is a bipartisan agreement that the GOP has been doing a great job with the rules as is.
It will successfully stop anything "not right wing" from being passed, the ruse is over, only slightly watered down Republican dogma will be allowed to pass now, regardless of the theater presented for the working class!
Our party just endorsed the blocking of all those laws and appointments that are not center-right to right.
I am changing my registration tomorrow (Democratic Socialist probably}, there is no actual Democratic party anymore, just employees of the GOP that serve to give the appearance of opposition to get us to believe we the people are represented.
I don't know if real Democrats will be allowed to post here anymore, so be honest with me and tell me if I will get TS'ed. The party I joined in '72 only exists as Democratic Socialists now (it appears that's what the kids are calling FDR/LBJ Democrats now)
I will no longer be manipulated into supporting the GOP agenda by supporting their right wing partners that now control the party named "Democrats" (an increasingly ironic rather than accurate label), while serving the Heritage foundation via political puppet shows with pre-determined outputs.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)with is your taking it upon yourself to define what a "real Democrat" is. The Democratic Party has always been a big tent party open to a wide range of viewpoints. Just because another Democrat does something that you disagree with doesn't necessarily mean that they are not a real Democrat.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)it is certainly obvious that today's Democratic Party would never propose, let alone enact, any prior Democratic reform achievements such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. So tell me, how big was that "big tent" that "has always been" within the Democratic Party when such legislation was enacted? The DLC co-opted the Democratic Party in the 80's and 90's, and the party still suffers greatly from their meddling, giving America two political parties that both serve the same masters.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)But does moving to the right mean that the party no longer consists of "real Democrats?" There is no party charter that specifies that only progressives can be real Democrats. All you have to do to become a real Democrats is register as one.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)The party began to stand for nothing.
From the thirties until the early 80's the party reflected a progressive view and agenda as well as a willingness to serve labor and the poor over the Monopolists.
It is simply not the Democratic Party it was (and I am) for all those years, it changed in the eighties when Will Marshal thought it would be a good Idea to recruit Republican Ideas as well as Republican Politicians
You likely have very little knowledge of party history and it's basic consistent principles, what you call a big tent is more like an infiltration.
When you become your enemy, you are no longer yourself, they are perhaps "New Democrats" which means they believe in most of the 1992 Republican platform, to me that just means they are Republicans that register as Democrats to get elected and then vote for Republican laws.
I never signed on to a party that embraced the Heritage foundation over labor or the poor, if
I did I would have registered as a Republican in the late eighties rather than attempt to infiltrate the party and inject the GOP agenda into it as Will Marshall did.
Party infiltration and a 180 change on economic, military, and trade policy is not the sign of a big tent, it is a sign of well, infiltration.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)of the Democratic Party during the past century the party also embraced moderates and conservatives. Ever hear of Jim Crow Democrats? They were an important part of FDR's coalition and they were anything but progressive. Were the Southern Democrats wrong? Of course they were but they were Democrats and it wasn't until the 50s that the party started to purge them. Ever hear of Senators Harry F. Byrd, Rush D. Holt, Sr., Josiah Bailey, and Representative Samuel B. Pettengill? They were all prominent conservative Democrats.
By the way, I have plenty of knowledge of party history and I don't appreciate your suggestion that I do not. You should not blandly assume that anyone you disagree with is stupid.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)You also appear to believe that Jim Crow Democrats are proof that the party should welcome such racists and now Republican policy believing "New Democrats" because such is the nature of the party.
Most of us are glad we repaired the tent to keep out the Racists, Birchers, and know nothings; you believe they should be part of the party.
You would welcome, it would seem, even George Bush if he Registered D, most of us mistakenly thought the Birchers, racists, and Bushies already had a party to pollute.
My bad, the Modern party is now what the Republicans were 25 years ago, they stole the name fair and square, but no longer represent the working class or poor.
You win, it is a big tent, open to any Repug that rebrands.
I am also correct, MY party is gone.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)TS'ed for expressing their thoughts on a 'Democratic" site. Hopefully that would not be the case, but our conservative proponents here are quite vocal for their numbers, so who knows.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)Certain Dems would not vote to untie their own hands so they must want the Repubs to block the measures the Dems just ran and won on. WHy? Their donors don't want the reforms to take place. I want to see the names of the people that would not vote for reform and I want a list of their donors.
old guy
(3,283 posts)Make no mistake, as has been stated by another poster, the repubs will waste no time to do what the Dems should have done and they will do it without talking to anyone else. Disgusting.
demjellyfish
(1 post)The dem leadership has been using the republicans as an excuse for not enacting any hard-hitting progressive measures for 5 years. Without the republicans' filibusters the democratic base would be slapped in the face with the knowledge that many democratic representatives don't give a crap about average people when it comes to health care, bankster crimes, social security, unemployment benefits, job outsourcing, and so many other issues that they have caved on.
I knew that there was no way that Harry Reid was going to take a firm position on the filibuster. If he had then the democratic leadership's choreographed cave-in dance would be exposed for everyone to see.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)saying Harry Reid is sellout, etc. I get it that people are unhappy with him.
But back to the matter at hand.
My understanding was the existing filibuster rule required 60 votes for cloture. Is this still the case?
And if so, what has really changed?
I'm truly trying to figure this out. The reporting around this issue so far has been terrible.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)From here:
Yay for poison pills!
Note that the shortened time only counts for low-level nominations. It's 8 hours for higher nominations, and still 30 hours for SCOTUS and cabinet positions.
There are claims about no more anonymous filibusters, and that the leaders will ensure the 'debate' time is used for debate and be cut short if it's just cloture votes, but that's yet another handshake deal.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Across the country the GOP is trying to game the vote to endure brutal permanent conservative rule.
We need to get as many of Obama's appointees in office as possible and this only puts barriers in the way.
Just when I think I get what's going on, this kind of shit happens.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)if Democrats are nice enough to them.
Now, unless you've been in a coma for the last two years, it's abundantly clear that the filibuster is gone as soon as the Republicans have a majority.
alp227
(32,015 posts)for a D majority house in '14. that way a talking filibuster would be more useful, the senate by 2014 might not be 60 D 40 R.
I got an email a day or so ago.
In the email it said something about the majority leader being able to call a cloture vote any time, day or night, and the onus would be on the minority to have 41 votes on the floor to keep the filibuster going, rather than letting the minority keep the filibuster going with just 1 vote on the floor.
Did anything happen along these lines or was this email a bunch of hot air?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)They need to keep the narrative that the reason they only pass center right to far-right laws and appointees is because
"the mean Republicans won't let us govern no matter how hard we try for the 99%, the 1% only got 75% of what they wanted because we tried so hard, so give us a cookie and a vote and
i will try super duper hard next time"
In order to keep empowering the Republicans, they have to pretend the GOP and not The Democrats get to change the rules today, and they only wanted and allowed continued obstruction no matter how hard the Democrats tried.
It is a lie of course, but how else could the Democratic party get away with endorsing and requesting continued obstruction?
Think Washington Generals
Omaha Steve
(99,573 posts)It is time for Harry to step down.
He won't get a dime from me when he runs next time!
And yes he got $ from me for his re-election through Act-Blue.
OS
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I know many DUers want to see the dismembered bodies of the Republicans littering the Senate and the House, but that isn't going to happen. Let them have their one opportunity to filibuster. We would like it if it was our party.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)time there was a vote, they have made 60 plus the rule on all votes, for the first time in history!
And our part just agreed with the practice.
If we were in the minority they would not let us do the same, they would most likely change it on the first day to make the minority impotent.
xxxsdesdexxx
(213 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)It gives Dems the chance to make their case to the public that is more progressive than they are made out to be, and would like to hear why the Dems are obstructing a GOP lead Senate majority working AGAINST the public interest. A talking filibuster would help them get extra air time to make the case to the public, with the corporate media not able to stand in the way like they do now with the ads all being bought up by Karl Rove and his bunch to squash that information flow come election time.
Bernie Sanders demonstrated why the talking filibuster is a VALUE to getting things that a majority is not supporting heard about when he's done this voluntarily himself on certain issues.
That is why the talking filibuster is the best option for Dems as a majority or minority party that WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE'S INTERESTS! The fact that Reid is working against this is evidence that he and a cadre of Republicans and certain Democrats care more about working for their lobbyist friends than the American people.
Americans if polled and informed still want a "Mr. Smith going to Washington" that the talking filibuster embodies, even if the corporate media constantly tells them that "they don't want" that to happen.
supercats
(429 posts)This doesn't help much from what I can see. We needed the talking filibuster. It looks to me that the republicans can continue to hold things up and stop any real progress. Reid caved again.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)tartan2
(314 posts)because this could very well be your last term.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Who would be senate majority leader now, and what they'd be doing with filibuster rules. I wonder if it would have been better had she won then. She most assuredly wouldn't have gotten reelected with all of her tea party crap, and we'd likely have better leadership now, though perhaps someone like Carl Levin would have been "placed" in to that position and still played the same filibuster cards then.
And I remember that some confused mailing list owners thought I was a "big conservative donor" when I was an unemployed progressive then, and laughing at all of hers and Sarah Palin's fundraising letters I was getting in the mail. Hmm...
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And his bipartisanship fetish makes Reid look like Sanders.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)I honestly think that many would not happen if they had done away with that. Truly disappointed. Doubly so since it seems like both CA senators are fine with this.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Lame.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Occasionally. I want to love Harry. But, damn.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)I don't even take the charade seriously anymore. It's all bullshit...
... just look at our trajectory towards fascism. Are ya dumb, or just making a killing while it happens? Where are you? Who are you really? Do you really love this country?
JEB
(4,748 posts)need to preserve their excuse for enacting essentially Republican policies. Fuck 'em all.
appacom
(296 posts)The democrats blinked. Obama stands up, and these motherfuckers lay down.
24601
(3,959 posts)No fracking excuse.