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ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:38 PM Jan 2013

Senate Approves John Kerry As Secretary of State

Source: ThinkProgress

The Senate this afternoon overwhelmingly voted in favor of approving John Kerry’s nomination to become Secretary of State, with only three Senators — Ted Cruz (R-TX), John Cornyn (R-TX), and James Inhofe (R-OK) — voting against their colleague. Earlier today, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee moved forward Kerry to the full Senate unanimously, reflecting the relative ease that Kerry has had in ascending to Obama’s second term cabinet.

Kerry has spent the last twenty-eight years in the Senate representing Massachusetts, all of them serving on the Foreign Relations committee, the last four as Chairman. The closeness in foreign policy vision that he shares with the Obama administration made Kerry one of the most likely choices to take the reins of State for the next four years. The ties between the two during Kerry’s chairman ship was close enough that former Sen. Gary Hart once called Kerry effectively “the congressional secretary of state.”

Kerry is the first of the President’s nominees to be confirmed following his inaugural. Kerry and current Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have been speaking “almost daily” to prepare him to move into the 7th floor office in Foggy Bottom. Secretary Clinton will be stepping down following her last day on the job, Friday, Feb. 1.

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Senate Approves John Kerry As Secretary of State (Original Post) ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2013 OP
Two from TX and one from OK....the Three Stooges, eh? nt MADem Jan 2013 #1
You can only shake your head and roll your eyes. And smirk. Jerks. gateley Jan 2013 #2
Indeed....and it's just not surprising, anymore. They're such tools! nt MADem Jan 2013 #8
That is insulting to stooges! lastlib Jan 2013 #3
The three Stoolies!!! nt MADem Jan 2013 #5
Drew short straws and took one for the team Blue4Texas Jan 2013 #13
No, the Flat Earth Caucus. MBS Jan 2013 #47
"The Usual Gang of Idiots' NBachers Jan 2013 #60
Remember the 13 senators who voted against confirming Condoleezza Rice? alp227 Jan 2013 #61
Ah, yes, with visions of "Bin Ladin Determined to Attack Within United States" dancing in their MADem Jan 2013 #65
when did it switch from Hagel back to Kerry. notadmblnd Jan 2013 #4
You have your cabinet positions confused. Hagel/DOD. Kerry/SECSTATE. nt MADem Jan 2013 #6
thanks for clearing that up for me. notadmblnd Jan 2013 #11
Happy to help. nt MADem Jan 2013 #66
Hagel is DOD nt angrychair Jan 2013 #7
Kerry for SOS, Hagel SOD - two positions karynnj Jan 2013 #9
Three extremist radicals vote against the best interests of their states. DhhD Jan 2013 #10
I am still concerned with how much the Wingers wanted him to succeed Hillary DainBramaged Jan 2013 #12
Inhofe is Oklahoma's shit stain. Still Sensible Jan 2013 #14
Isn't he the one..... Ian Iam Jan 2013 #17
Kerry will make a great SOS! sheshe2 Jan 2013 #15
Even if it was expected, it's good that it's final. Congrats to Secretary Kerry! TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #16
It'll be a great fit for Senator Kerry derby378 Jan 2013 #18
Don't call him Ted. Hard Assets Jan 2013 #37
I find it disturbing how easily the minority party got the SoS they sought. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #19
Kerry was always one of the two Obama was considering karynnj Jan 2013 #20
Emphatically agree! appacom Jan 2013 #32
Totally agree! LTR Jan 2013 #36
I'll judge his success on how we deal with the Iranian straw man. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #41
Less Hawkish? CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #40
+ 1000 n/t MBS Jan 2013 #48
I couldn' t of said it better myself. ! n/t wisteria Jan 2013 #58
Don't underestimate yourself. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #64
That is just SO... YvonneCa Jan 2013 #24
So Susan Rice was just a trial pawn? Ok. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #38
No. She was always a valued... YvonneCa Jan 2013 #46
I wonder why she wasn't nominated. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #52
Because Kerry was karynnj Jan 2013 #55
I prefer neither, actually. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #63
Why do you say... YvonneCa Jan 2013 #69
The 1972 Kerry was, I recall, very anti-war. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #71
And that is his exact... YvonneCa Jan 2013 #78
I suppose that is true, to some extent. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #79
He is in most ways a mature version of that man karynnj Jan 2013 #72
Iran/Contra was a long time ago. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #74
Even in 1971, he was not against war ever - in fact, at the hearings karynnj Jan 2013 #75
By he did rush int war. He approved both wars. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #77
Only if you conflate the October 2002 vote - before the inspections - with the Bush March 2003 karynnj Jan 2013 #80
Regrets are painless. I prefer people with foresight. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #84
She was never... YvonneCa Jan 2013 #56
That may very well be true. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #62
You meant Majority party Lordquinton Jan 2013 #34
Because Susan Rice was never considered? CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #39
And Kerry hadn't been considered for years? Lordquinton Jan 2013 #86
Choosing the most qualified person for the job has rarely been high on a politician's list. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #87
Republicans got Susan Rice? News to me. When does she take office? NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #59
+1 n/t politicasista Jan 2013 #67
I think he'll do well. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #21
Again, repubes voting against us albear Jan 2013 #22
Let's say we treat TX as a hostile country, and Kerry and Hagel can deal with them that way? leveymg Jan 2013 #23
Kerry shuts down the Keystone pipeline to Houston and TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #28
Regime change comes to Dallas. leveymg Jan 2013 #31
Please do not call the Texans and Okie "Turds" shagnasty Jan 2013 #25
+1 . . . edgy! he, he . . . patrice Jan 2013 #30
I got it yesterday for making fun of Californians davidpdx Jan 2013 #50
Compromise: "elected sena-TURDS" n/t alp227 Jan 2013 #45
I like that a lot! narnian60 Jan 2013 #54
Congrats SOS Kerry! NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #26
Senior Senator from Massachusetts Elizabeth Warren Renew Deal Jan 2013 #27
Damn! That sounds good. trof Jan 2013 #35
Her Kerry statements were really nice n/t politicasista Jan 2013 #42
I'm sure that Kerry saw the plus side - he had Ted Kennedy as a friend and senior Senator karynnj Jan 2013 #53
Glad! of this. Secretary Kerry will be good for our country. nt patrice Jan 2013 #29
This blows the GOP diversity meme out the window. sellitman Jan 2013 #33
I missed having him as President undeterred Jan 2013 #43
" " " " n/t MBS Jan 2013 #49
It's a good... YvonneCa Jan 2013 #57
Of course, one of the no votes came from the aptly named Jerk Imhofe! George II Jan 2013 #44
Wow, a nice overwhelming vote davidpdx Jan 2013 #51
Next up: Mr Hagel Ian Iam Jan 2013 #68
The ol' boys club confirms him. Fearless Jan 2013 #70
Not a single WOMAN Senator voted against him - even the tea party one from NE karynnj Jan 2013 #73
The ol boys club Fearless Jan 2013 #76
I am completely aware of what the old boys' club is karynnj Jan 2013 #81
Exactly. Fearless Jan 2013 #82
Substantially more than a peep out of Mccain karynnj Jan 2013 #83
I see my two senators... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #85

MBS

(9,688 posts)
47. No, the Flat Earth Caucus.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jan 2013

Sen. Kerry's term, I believe. (If not original with him, he used it often, both with relish and utter frustration.)
Having a "no" vote from this crew is an honor, much like being on Nixon's enemies list.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. Ah, yes, with visions of "Bin Ladin Determined to Attack Within United States" dancing in their
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:01 AM
Jan 2013

heads, no doubt.

 

Ian Iam

(386 posts)
17. Isn't he the one.....
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:09 PM
Jan 2013

who made a huge production of constructing a snowhouse and calling it "Al Gore's New Home?" Twit!

derby378

(30,252 posts)
18. It'll be a great fit for Senator Kerry
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jan 2013

And as for Ted Cruz - oh, Teddy-Ted-Teddy-Ted-Ted, my boy - you are already causing our collective brains to hurt.

 

Hard Assets

(274 posts)
37. Don't call him Ted.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jan 2013

He does not even deserve the name Ted.

That name goes only to Edward Moore Kennedy.

Cruz is not even worthy of his given name.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
20. Kerry was always one of the two Obama was considering
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:30 PM
Jan 2013

There was NEVER a comment from Obama that he preferred Rice. Rice was the favorite of the Washington Post which lobbied for her daily. Kerry has far better ties to the Senate and is better liked by foreign dignitaries. He also is known for his diplomatic personality and skills.

He also is to the left and less hawkish than Susan Rice. (This shows how easily some on the left are manipulated by the right. Kerry is a choice that should have made people here happy.)

LTR

(13,227 posts)
36. Totally agree!
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jan 2013

And an impressive way for John Kerry to cose out a remarkable political career.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
46. No. She was always a valued...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:50 PM
Jan 2013

...member of the Obama Administration. And she remains so. She was not nominated.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
55. Because Kerry was
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:26 PM
Jan 2013

That is all we really know - and unless Obama were to discuss the process publicly at some point, we will never know more.

It seems you prefer Rice just because the Republicans attacked her. (Hey, they smeared Kerry for decades - since 1971. Did you miss the entire year of 2004? Their attacks on him make the attacks on Rice pale in comparison. Even when they attacked him as a young man in 1972, it was FAR FAR beyond anything they did to Rice.)

 
63. I prefer neither, actually.
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:39 AM
Jan 2013

But someone so viciously attacked by the Regressives is certainly a plus in my book.

As for 1972, that Kerry is long gone. That Kerry would have made an excellent SoS.

 
71. The 1972 Kerry was, I recall, very anti-war.
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:14 AM
Jan 2013

The role of the SoS should be exactly the opposite of the SecDef. The SoS should be building coalitions for peace, not coalitions for sanctions or wars.

Nothing in Senator Kerry's hearings even hinted at peace. It was all about sanctions and threats of war and imaginary boogymen of the Islamic persuasion.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
78. And that is his exact...
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jan 2013

...position and philosophy.

Something to consider...in the hearings Kerry often had to speak to the questioning concern of neocon GOP-types by assuring people that Dems are strong in foreign policy (since GOP always paints us as weak). If they were going to vote to confirm him, they needed to impress their constituents at home.

 
79. I suppose that is true, to some extent.
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jan 2013

But so long as we act like we are weak on defense we will be perceived as weak on defense.

I do not believe that Democrats must speak like Republicans if they don't believe in Republican policy.

Of course with Senator Reid's cave on the filibuster, we have to worry about Republican obstructionism. For this reason the Democrats would have been better served had Reid not been reelected.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
72. He is in most ways a mature version of that man
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:29 AM
Jan 2013

Not to mention, he was the only Senator willing to take on the Contra and BCCI investigation.

With Rice, the reason she was attacked was that the Republicans view her words on the talk shows as part of teh "coverup" that let Obama put the country "knowing" what happened in Benghazi until after the election. In fact, everyone knew 4 Americans died and that it was terrorism.

The reasons they hated Kerry, was that in those three instances he stood up against things he thought wrong.

 
74. Iran/Contra was a long time ago.
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jan 2013

And I would have to disagree with the underlying message that more mature means we should consider war as an option from time to time. Fighting is easy, and, frankly, far more juvenile.

But that's just this immature, middle-aged man's position.

I sincerely hope I am wrong.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
75. Even in 1971, he was not against war ever - in fact, at the hearings
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:32 PM
Jan 2013

he said that if the US were attacked, he would rejoin. He stayed in the ready reserves when he had the choice not to.

He has always said - and meant - that war should be a last resort. He said in January 2003 that Bush should not rush to war - and that if he did it was not the last resort. Do you remember how often he used that phrase in 2004? Do you have any idea what it means? It means, to Catholics, that it is not a just war.

 
77. By he did rush int war. He approved both wars.
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jan 2013

And many, many people new that Iraq was not involved. And, frankly, neither was Afghanistan. We were "attacked" by Saudis, not Iraqis and not Afghan citizens. This was also understood by many, many people.

And you know what, real leaders like King and Ghandi understood you don't meet force with force.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
80. Only if you conflate the October 2002 vote - before the inspections - with the Bush March 2003
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:15 PM
Jan 2013

decision. Kerry, like Biden and most of the SFRC members voted because they wanted to give Bush the leverage to get intensive inspections - which did happen AFTER October 2002 and before March 2003 and found nothing. The vote was wrong because it gave Bush their support - and though it laid out Bush's promises, it had no way to stop him. In fact, the Downing Street memos show that they would have attacked with no resolution. The main thing bad the IWR did was to let Bush say the invasion was bipartisan.

Kerry said throughout 2004 that Bush misled us into war. He was speaking not of the wmd, but that he did few of the things he promised he would do. Bush himself said that the vote was not a vote for war before the vote. He also has repeatedly said that he regretted that vote and he, with Feingold pushed the need for a timeline to get out - that ultimately became first the Democratic position and later was what Bush did - and how we got out.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
56. She was never...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jan 2013

...at the front of the line, IMHO, even though some admin people and some GOP types tried to make it so.

 
39. Because Susan Rice was never considered?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:20 PM
Jan 2013

And Moe, Larry, and Curley didn't wage a smear campaign on her while simultaneously singing the praises of Senator Kerry?

Ok

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
86. And Kerry hadn't been considered for years?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jan 2013

He was the consolation proze that we had to settle for instead of being the most qualified person for the job?

ok

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
23. Let's say we treat TX as a hostile country, and Kerry and Hagel can deal with them that way?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jan 2013

Kinda a warm-up act for, say, the Arabian Pennisula-Persian Gulf?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
28. Kerry shuts down the Keystone pipeline to Houston and
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jan 2013

Hagel shuts down Ft. Hood and Randolph AFB. I would laugh and laugh.

 

shagnasty

(21 posts)
25. Please do not call the Texans and Okie "Turds"
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jan 2013

It is an insult to the stuff that falls freely from my ass to be associated with the elected representatives of the majority of people of Texas and Oklahoma. These senators are elected because the MAJORITY of voters think they are representative of the culture and society they cherish.

So in fairness to all "turds" everwhere lets just label them as "the elected senators" of Texas and Oklahoma.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
26. Congrats SOS Kerry!
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jan 2013


Being opposed by Cornyn and Inhofe, two of the Senate's biggest assholes, should be worn as a badge of honor. Hillary had DeMint and Vitter vote against her.

Renew Deal

(81,852 posts)
27. Senior Senator from Massachusetts Elizabeth Warren
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jan 2013

John Kerry was the longest serving Junior Senator. I guess Warren is almost the shortest.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
53. I'm sure that Kerry saw the plus side - he had Ted Kennedy as a friend and senior Senator
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:19 PM
Jan 2013

for decades.

For MA the down side of having two of the most senior senators is that they now will have two of the least senior - I hope both Republican.

 

Ian Iam

(386 posts)
68. Next up: Mr Hagel
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:38 AM
Jan 2013

No, I didn't learn my dialectics from him, but he's a good choice to be Defence Secretary.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
73. Not a single WOMAN Senator voted against him - even the tea party one from NE
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:37 AM
Jan 2013

The Republicans were not against Rice because of sex or race. As to sex, only 2 voted against Clinton.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
76. The ol boys club
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jan 2013

Is a reference to the fact that groups of people like Senators or millionaires tend to support each other regardless of political affiliation because of the commonalities they share rather than the differences they have. It really has little to do with gender or sex other than the fact that traditionally Congresspersons were white males.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
81. I am completely aware of what the old boys' club is
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jan 2013

It is also true that Senators usually confirm their own. It, however, is not always the case that they are voted out of committee unanimously and win as easily as JK did. Note that Hagel will not be like that - or in Bush's years, Ashcroft was not all that easy.

Kerry has earned a lot of real respect even form people who never agree with him.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
83. Substantially more than a peep out of Mccain
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jan 2013

He, along with Warren and Clinton, introduced Kerry to the committee and spoke of the respect he has for Kerry. (by the way, this is not new - he praised Kerry enormously in his book dealing with his years in the Senate including the time on the POW committee. So, it is not just friendship or being colleagues, he genuinely was impressed with Kerry as a diplomat. Now, I doubt he would have picked Kerry as his SOS - their views are too different - but he knows Obama will pick people who agree with him - and of those, Kerry is one he - and other Republicans respect.

Many Republicans praised his handling of the START treaty.

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