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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:51 PM Jun 2013

Darrell Issa: IRS' So-Called 'Rogue' Agents 'Directly Being Ordered From Washington'

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- The Internal Revenue Service agents who inappropriately targeted conservative groups had been following orders from the Obama administration, House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said on Sunday.

And he called the administration's top spokesman a liar.

Last month the IRS said it had identified two "rogue agents" in the department's Cincinnati office who were overly aggressive in the handling of Tea Party groups seeking tax-exempt status. Issa said his committee has found otherwise.

"As late as last week the administration's still trying to say there's a few rogue agents in Cincinnati when in fact the indication is they were directly being ordered from Washington," Issa told Candy Crowley on CNN's "State of the Union."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/02/darrell-issa-irs-_n_3374592.html



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Darrell Issa: IRS' So-Called 'Rogue' Agents 'Directly Being Ordered From Washington' (Original Post) onehandle Jun 2013 OP
Rec'd for that awesome pic! Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #1
"...the indication is...." ewagner Jun 2013 #2
Suspicions rumors half-truths and Faux news stories classykaren Jun 2013 #29
Issa and money laundering Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #34
Yup, it's a fabricated Fox News conspiracy theory. Initech Jun 2013 #32
I'm very angry about this "scandal" AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #3
THANKS, AnnieK. elleng Jun 2013 #5
I agree! another_liberal Jun 2013 #11
You're correct. I'm angry too for the same reasons. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #20
It Is Not The Tax Exempt Angle DallasNE Jun 2013 #23
apology for what PatrynXX Jun 2013 #24
Seems to me THAT is the real scandal. calimary Jun 2013 #27
You are right calimary classykaren Jun 2013 #30
Hey, as long as they're squandering it on eating their own. calimary Jun 2013 #38
I love this picture. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #4
He stuck his neck out this time. another_liberal Jun 2013 #6
In case people don't know Issa's shady past..... Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #36
Yep, and if justice had been served . . . another_liberal Jun 2013 #42
I'm surprised that a felon should be allowed to run for Congress Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #45
Was Issa ever convicted of a felony? another_liberal Jun 2013 #46
Wasn't Issa meeting with the IRS through out 2011-2012, doesn't he work in Washington? bahrbearian Jun 2013 #7
Lying Fuckhead. SoapBox Jun 2013 #8
Expose the Bastard! chuckstevens Jun 2013 #9
Looks like he just got his daily Koch brother injection. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #10
Oh hell, if it was from "Washington" it was probably a mainstream Republican who did it OKNancy Jun 2013 #12
The IRS did not inappropriately target conservative groups siligut Jun 2013 #13
too bad for Issa that everyone other than tea baggers are sick of his shit ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #15
Stupid teabaggers can't figure it out PuffedMica Jun 2013 #18
Stupid teabaggers don't want to figure it out siligut Jun 2013 #37
ABC is already running with this story Iliyah Jun 2013 #14
To call someone timdog44 Jun 2013 #16
They should call Issa out for his McCarthy tactics, accusations still_one Jun 2013 #21
Unless he has clear, documented, indisputable PROOF of his claim... Triana Jun 2013 #17
They could target those groups without it being political. The IRS could easily have targeted them okaawhatever Jun 2013 #19
Great pic. It would be more realistic if it was green pea soup Rozlee Jun 2013 #22
Issa is just rushing to take over Michele Bachmann's BlueMTexpat Jun 2013 #25
he`s going to have to show his hand... madrchsod Jun 2013 #26
Where else are they supposed to take orders from? Poughkeepsie?? kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #28
Good luck proving that marshall Jun 2013 #31
Supposedly there are emails madville Jun 2013 #43
Show us the proof, Darrell! alp227 Jun 2013 #33
So ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #35
Ir is my entire John2 Jun 2013 #39
The problem with a criminal conducting an investigation is they see crime everywhere, Thor_MN Jun 2013 #40
What a dickweed. BlueStater Jun 2013 #41
UH. yes. That is where the IRS headquaters is located. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #44
It's puzzling to me why Darrell Issa thinks the IRS is the Illuminati. Arkana Jun 2013 #47

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
34. Issa and money laundering
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:55 PM
Jun 2013

Mr. Abramoff's friend, Issa may realize that these are TEA Party fronts for billionaire money laudering schemes. Issa and colleagues don't want this to be uncovered so they blame Obama.

Initech

(100,016 posts)
32. Yup, it's a fabricated Fox News conspiracy theory.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jun 2013

I'm sick of that network thinking they can get away with it. If we had a regulated media, they wouldn't. The Tea Party are bought and paid for by the upper 1%, FACT!!!!! Darell Issa is an embarrassment to my state, and I don't know why they even elected that convicted felon, let alone that he gets this much power.

AnnieK401

(541 posts)
3. I'm very angry about this "scandal"
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
Jun 2013

Angry that anyone apologized for the IRS doing it's job. These groups are trying to get tax exempt status (which costs taxpayers) so they can run ads spreading lies and they receive an apology.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
23. It Is Not The Tax Exempt Angle
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jun 2013

They can apply as a PAC and get tax exempt status. But a PAC requires that large donors names be made public. The issue is strictly the secret donors. Who is buying our government. The law as written has clarity. It says that these 501(c)(4) groups must exclusively spend their money on their designated social welfare activities. It is internal IRS rulings that have muddied the waters by issuing orders that directly contradict the language of the law. Those waters were muddied as far back as the Eisenhower administration.

calimary

(81,053 posts)
27. Seems to me THAT is the real scandal.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

Since when to those wrong-wing political groups with political agendas and political aims and political underpinnings and political donors with their own ulterior political motives get the hands-off treatment? Seems to me the IRS was following the rules there. When they looked into Occupy, nobody said a word - and Occupy WAS and IS a social welfare group. The teabaggers and their groups are anything but.

It's also disgusting to me that this hasn't been thoroughly reported, either. The press is asleep at the wheel, again, as usual.

calimary

(81,053 posts)
38. Hey, as long as they're squandering it on eating their own.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jun 2013

Instead of using it to attack our side all the frickin' time.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
42. Yep, and if justice had been served . . .
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 07:18 AM
Jun 2013

If Justice had truly been served in regard to Congressman Issa's "youthful indiscretions," he wouldn't even be allowed to vote in most States, let alone serve in Congress.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
46. Was Issa ever convicted of a felony?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jun 2013

My understanding was that he always got the charges significantly reduced, or dodged them entirely with the help of his lawyers.

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
9. Expose the Bastard!
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jun 2013

This guy has the creditability of Sen Joe McCarthy! Her is a theft, felon, a compulsive liar, and a major BULLSHIT artist! Why won't the lamestream media tell the county what a complete fraud Issa is?

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
12. Oh hell, if it was from "Washington" it was probably a mainstream Republican who did it
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jun 2013

They have the most to fear from the tea party.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
13. The IRS did not inappropriately target conservative groups
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jun 2013
WASHINGTON -- The Internal Revenue Service agents who inappropriately targeted conservative groups had been following orders from the Obama administration, House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said on Sunday.

And he called the administration's top spokesman a liar.


The groups filed for tax exempt status, which stood out as unusual so they were flagged. The teabaggers made an error and like any error with the IRS it is investigated.

This is just more GOP obfuscation and obstruction.

The pic of Issa . . .

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
18. Stupid teabaggers can't figure it out
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:14 PM
Jun 2013

They apply for tax exempt status for a group that is allowed limited political action, but majority of their action is one sided political action. They just can't figure out that an organization that is entirely political in nature, is not a limited political organization and draws an IRS audit.

Now the teabaggers have a bird dog Congressman who would rather wage partisan warfare instead of serving the people getting quality face time on FOX News, and the Republicans and Libertarians are just eating it up. When it get to the point that the public finds out that there is nothing there, this Issa dude's career is going to be put in a hole so deep, he won't even be able to pick vegetables in the valley for a living.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
37. Stupid teabaggers don't want to figure it out
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jun 2013

Teabagger types find security in group think and siding with the winners. Of course, the GOP is in no way winners, but with control of the media and their unethical skills of manipulation, teabaggers believe they are.

And the way they play the game, Issa's inaccuracies will be long forgotten and NO ONE in the media will bring them up.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
14. ABC is already running with this story
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:37 PM
Jun 2013

go figure. Please vote these gopers out in 2014! IRS did nothing wrong and Washington who knew was Issa. Is he trying to cover-up himself from an lying sack of shit.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
16. To call someone
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jun 2013

a liar, without evidence used to be a big no, no and punishable by law. Apparently anyone can say anything now. And he has a lot of baggage to run around saying things like this. He does not have a very trustworthy past.

The point is, like I have said all along on this IRS thing is, everyone trying to get tax exempt status should have been vetted. No favorites that way. The person who said that conservative groups were being singled out was not doing her job if that was happening. And she should lose her job and pension for that. She was in a position to make things happen the right and did not.

And the administration should not have ever apologized for anything that happened. The examples that have been given of having been unfairly vetted, are groups that are obviously unAmerican groups who should move out of America because of their beliefs. I am sure there are many fascist countries they could live in.

still_one

(92,055 posts)
21. They should call Issa out for his McCarthy tactics, accusations
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jun 2013

Without proof

Not sure if it is illegal though since they are regarded as public officials

However, the best way to throw it back to the repukes is to vote them out

Easier said than done since the much of the populous is not well informed

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
17. Unless he has clear, documented, indisputable PROOF of his claim...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:12 PM
Jun 2013

...it's bullshit. "The indication" is that Darryl Issa, a criminal himself, is making claims which he cannot factually back up.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
19. They could target those groups without it being political. The IRS could easily have targeted them
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:15 PM
Jun 2013

because of questions about the leaders of some of the groups. The early tea party groups had quite a few suspect characters. Both CREW and another watchdog group sent letters to the IRS asking that they be investigated. Also, IRS approval is not required to call yourself a 501(c)4 organization so it doesn't stop you or slow you down from collecting money. Turns out Stephne Colbert's pac, which is a 501(c)4 org had not even appied with the IRS until last week. (He did it on TV). Also, most CPA's would have filled the paperwork out correctly, avoiding many of the issues, (Nate Silver I believe did a study on how most of the apps had filed ut paperwork incorrectly). I question whether the tea party was setting up the IRS. Why would a group like that mess with the IRS, without professional assistance, when they could have done the same thing without them?

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
25. Issa is just rushing to take over Michele Bachmann's
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:02 PM
Jun 2013

crazy title!

Would the M$M finally grow some and call him out? Just once! Please.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
26. he`s going to have to show his hand...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jun 2013

if you are going to call in this game of political power you had better have 4 aces and a king.

put up or shut the fuck up.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
28. Where else are they supposed to take orders from? Poughkeepsie??
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jun 2013

The IRS is part of the FEDERAL government, and that's based in............

wait for it.............

.........................Washington, DC.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
31. Good luck proving that
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jun 2013

Even if some low level toad winked and nodded his intentions, it will never be proven.

madville

(7,403 posts)
43. Supposedly there are emails
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 10:25 AM
Jun 2013

According to the witnesses so far. Congress has requested thousands of emails and is now waiting for them to be turned over. Anything they currently have is hearsay from everyone in CYA mode.

alp227

(31,995 posts)
33. Show us the proof, Darrell!
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jun 2013

Even SenaTurtle Mitch McConnell admitted that he lacked evidence of what he called a "culture of intimidation" by Obama's WH against conservatives.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. So ...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jun 2013

With respect to issa's saying he would "eventually" release the full transcript ... Why didn't Crowley ask issa, "why eventually? Why not just release the whole transcript now so that why can understand the context of the statement?"

Oh, that's right ... that would spoil several days/weeks of the gop narrative, before it benghazis (is exposed as a lie, that is dutifully ignored by the media).

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
39. Ir is my entire
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jun 2013

point about this Congress when you have dishonest people serving in it like Issa. If they are doing shady things on this, then they will do it on other issues. They manufacture and fabricate things, just for their agendas. If they are lying on Domestic issues, then they will lie on Foreign issues concerning Life and Death. The U.S. does not need people like this deciding important issues for this Country. I don't think George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are the total blame for getting this country into an illegal War and lying on important issues. They had a Congress that helped them. It is going to happen again concerning Syria and Iran. President Obama needs to reassess what he is doing and the people pushing this country towards another War. He shouldn't be compromising with these people because they are too corrupt. If I had the power he has, and dealing with corrupt people like this, they would be ran out of office or in jail. If I had credible evidence they were breaking the laws, I wouldn't mind investigating them.

There are issues, that he is letting the Republicans off on, because he thinks it is for the good of the country. It is not for the good of the country to keep corrupt people in office. One example would be to go ahead and investigate the Bush Administration on Torture and lying about WMD. Another issue would be about voter suppression and rigging elections. It is all in the DOJ's purvue. Another would be about tax evasion and offshore accounts. I;I've also heard they gave Sheldon Adelson a pass on some issue when he could have been prosecuted. The DOJ could go ahead and prosecute the Banks. If they did so, the Republican Party and their benefactors would be hurting, instead of them trying to bring down the Obama Administration. They wouldn't have the upperhand if the Administration was more aggressive and vigilant, because the Republican Party would be too busy defending themselves in Court.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
40. The problem with a criminal conducting an investigation is they see crime everywhere,
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jun 2013

because they expect everyone to do what they themselves would do in the same situation.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
41. What a dickweed.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jun 2013

I guess the reason this douche keeps getting elected in California is the same reason Michelle Bachmann kept getting elected in Minnesota. He represents the most insane portion of the state, evidently.

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