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elleng

(130,732 posts)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:05 PM Jun 2013

Ohio Teacher Awarded $171,000 After Firing Over Artificial Insemination.

Source: nyt/reuters

A Catholic school teacher fired by the Cincinnati Archdiocese after becoming pregnant by artificial insemination was awarded $171,000 in damages on Monday by a federal court jury that ruled her dismissal violated U.S. anti-discrimination laws.

The U.S. District Court jury in Cincinnati awarded Christa Dias $71,000 in lost wages and emotional distress damages and ordered the archdiocese to pay her $100,000 in punitive damages.

The jurors did not find liable the two Catholic grade schools where Dias taught computer programming, which were also named as defendants in the case.

In 2010, the archdiocese fired Dias on the grounds that she had violated terms of a contract that she signed promising to adhere to Catholic morality, which it said barred the use of artificial insemination.

Robert Klingler, the attorney for Dias, argued that the archdiocese fired her for being pregnant out of wedlock, which constituted a violation of federal law that bars employers from dismissing workers for being pregnant.

"The jury decided that federal law trumps contract law," Klingler said. "You can't sign away your rights to be protected."



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/06/03/us/03reuters-usa-catholic-court.html?hp

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Ohio Teacher Awarded $171,000 After Firing Over Artificial Insemination. (Original Post) elleng Jun 2013 OP
Excellent! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #1
Love it.... Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #2
Excellent! Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #3
Every sperm is sacred, afterall..... msanthrope Jun 2013 #4
K/R. (nt) NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #5
Great news: freshwest Jun 2013 #6
Man's law supercedes God's Law. EXCELLENT!!! I love what the lawyer said about rights Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #7
Nice little severance package...should be enough to keep her going until she gets another job Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #8
Now it's time for those schools christx30 Jun 2013 #9
+1 freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #14
Indeed. Had they fired the male worker who used artificial insemmination as a means of msanthrope Jun 2013 #17
Red Herring much? joeglow3 Jun 2013 #23
Wow - so if a school wanted to teach white supremecy dbackjon Jun 2013 #26
Did I say anything remotely like that? freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #27
Yes. You did as a matter of fact. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #28
Are you suggesting that a pregnant women's appearance is to be considered bad values? Bandit Jun 2013 #30
I'm saying the Catholic church's values are that there should not be sex before marriage. freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #31
I would hope someone got fired. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #10
Good for Christa Dias.. thanks elleng! Cha Jun 2013 #11
Boy, there's allot of good news today... ReRe Jun 2013 #12
I am very troubled by this telclaven Jun 2013 #13
Are those protected classes under Federal law? Gormy Cuss Jun 2013 #18
I don't know telclaven Jun 2013 #19
Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #21
My other concerns telclaven Jun 2013 #22
I have a niece on the way, so I might as well practice spoonfeeding.. sir pball Jun 2013 #25
Good thing the Virgin Mary wasn't teaching at a Catholic school when she got pregnant. tanyev Jun 2013 #15
Good luck collecting. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2013 #16
K&R! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #20
I think it was to little an amount. But it's awesome she got the award Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #24
Excellent indeed. nt Dreamer Tatum Jun 2013 #29
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
2. Love it....
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jun 2013

I have no problem with religious institutions having their own policies provided they don't conflict with state or federal law....

That may not give them much latitude but then they have to understand they exist and function in a civil society not beholden to their religious beliefs.

Perhaps they should return to the arts of praying.....that may not be subject to any law

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. Great news:
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:42 PM
Jun 2013

"The jury decided that federal law trumps contract law," Klingler said. "You can't sign away your rights to be protected."

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
7. Man's law supercedes God's Law. EXCELLENT!!! I love what the lawyer said about rights
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:49 PM
Jun 2013

I smell an instant appeal though.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
8. Nice little severance package...should be enough to keep her going until she gets another job
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:23 AM
Jun 2013

plus maybe some left over for a college fund for the baby.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
9. Now it's time for those schools
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:41 AM
Jun 2013

to only hire Catholics. "Are you a Catholic? Check 'yes' or 'no'. If you check 'no', do not finish application. Say 3 Hail Marys and go forth and sin no more."
Oh... wait... discrimination based on religion is also against Federal law.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
14. +1
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:18 AM
Jun 2013

I am not Catholic, and I do believe in a woman's right to choose to have a baby.

But parents need to have a place to go to for an education that promotes their values. A teacher is a role model. The school has the right to require that even in her appearance she model its values for the kids.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
17. Indeed. Had they fired the male worker who used artificial insemmination as a means of
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:29 AM
Jun 2013

conceiving his child, they might be able to make all sorts of arguments about their values.

But equal protection under law trumps their hypocrisy, and their homophobia.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
23. Red Herring much?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

Can you show me a case where they knew a male worker was using artificial insemmination and did nothing about it?

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
26. Wow - so if a school wanted to teach white supremecy
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jun 2013

And fired a teacher for contact with an "inferior" race, you'd be ok with that?

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
27. Did I say anything remotely like that?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:09 PM
Jun 2013

No.

From what I can see, it seems Catholic schools want people in role model positions to at least not openly flout their values. The schools and the parents who send their kids there have a right to put their kids into an environment that will promote their values.

Let me draw a parallel to freedom of religion. Would you agree with me that freedom of religion is generally a good thing, and that the framers of our Constitution were wise to guarantee it? What about a religion that practices ritual sacrifice of human being? I just picked the worst example of something a religion could do and used it to bludgeon the whole idea of freedom of religion. Does that convince you that freedom of religion is not a good idea?

This issue has nothing to do with racial mixing. Sure, you can make up an example like that and say the reasoning, taken to its ridiculous extreme, does not apply. Maybe that's because you've taken it to its ridiculous extreme.

Catholics don't support the idea of intentionally having a baby outside of wedlock. This is what they want to teach their kids, and they want their teachers to back it up by example. They have a right to hold and promote these values.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. Yes. You did as a matter of fact.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jun 2013

"Did I say anything remotely like that?"

Yes. You did as a matter of fact. "But parents need to have a place to go to for an education that promotes their values..."

All things being equal, your statement would need additional qualifiers to prevent the statement you responded to from fitting well within the example given to you. As it stands, it is most certainly not taking anything to a "ridiculous extreme". It is however, simply adding one additional example, accurate within the parameters given by you...

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
30. Are you suggesting that a pregnant women's appearance is to be considered bad values?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jun 2013

If that is what you are saying then I question your "values"...

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
31. I'm saying the Catholic church's values are that there should not be sex before marriage.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jun 2013

Nor should babies be conceived by artificial means.

An unmarried pregnant woman stands in defiance of that. (Yes, there are exceptions, like rape. That's not what we're talking about.) Parents want their kids' role models to be people who support those values.

I am trying to support respect for the values of others. I believe in some things; other people believe in different things.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
12. Boy, there's allot of good news today...
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 01:46 AM
Jun 2013

Thanks elleng. And thank God we're getting other good news today, too. I was about to crack with all the bad news!

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
13. I am very troubled by this
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:13 AM
Jun 2013

Can now a teacher fired for being a member of racist groups now sue to get backpay/job back?

Can a card-carrying member of the NRA sue for not being hired by Brady Campaign?

This opens a large can of worms, I'm not entirely sure everyone will like where it leads. Blowback is a real concern and I wonder if folks might regret this.

I dunno. Glad I'm not the lawyers or judges involved.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
18. Are those protected classes under Federal law?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:11 AM
Jun 2013

Federal law disallows the firing of an employee simply on the basis of pregnancy. That's why the jury decided in her favor.

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
22. My other concerns
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jun 2013

Scouting troops being disbanded in my area because some folks can't stand jumping into the 21st Century, so now I can't go through Boy Scouts with my son.

The militarization of police and the use of less lethal weapons as a means of coersion and punishment instead of the firearm alternative it was supposed to be.

The secret kill list and how drone warfare is being implemented to completely bypass the War Powers Act and the Constitution.

The pent up feelings of frustration, anger, and outrage that seem to be rising. I am hoping we avoid an explosion of violence like the Arab Spring here in America.

The TSA.

Homeland Security placing everything within 100 miles of the US Border outside the bounds of the Constitution.

I have many concerns.

What does 'enjoy your stay' mean? Thus far I have.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
25. I have a niece on the way, so I might as well practice spoonfeeding..
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jun 2013
The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" and persons cannot be discriminated against based on these characteristics:
Race – Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
Color – Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
Religion – Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
National origin – Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
Age (40 and over) – Federal: Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Sex – Federal: Equal Pay Act of 1963 & Civil Rights Act of 1964
Familial status - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1968 Title VIII (Housing, cannot discriminate for having children, exception for senior housing)
Disability status – Federal: Vocational Rehabilitation and Other Rehabilitation Services of 1973 & Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
Veteran status – Federal Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974
Genetic information – Federal: Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

I'll give the benefit of the doubt here and allow that you really might not have known what Federal protected classes are. This will "shake out" perfectly wonderfully.
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