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Turborama

(22,109 posts)
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:04 AM Jun 2013

Turkey protests continue as US (Kerry) voices concern about police use of force (PIC HEAVY)

Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:56 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: The Guardian

Following fifth day of demonstrations, Turkish PM lashes out at critics and John Kerry calls for restraint

Constanze Letsch in Istanbul and Ian Traynor
TuesdayJune 4 2013

The US has called for an investigation into the political violence in Turkey and urged restraint on all sides following the fifth day of escalating nationwide protests against the rule of the prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

In remarks that are likely to provoke Erdogan, the US secretary of state, John Kerry, said: "We are concerned by the reports of excessive use of force by police. We obviously hope that there will be a full investigation of those incidents and full restraint from the police force."

Earlier on Monday, Erdogan warned protesters against taking the country's political disputes on to the streets, signalling he could mobilise his mass popular support to crush the demonstrations.

Sporadic clashes between protesters and riot police continued in Izmir, Ankara and Istanbul, and two deaths were confirmed. Mehmet Ayvalitas, 20, was hit by a car on Sunday that struck protesters in the Mayis district of Istanbul, reports said.

Later Abdullah Comert, 22, died from serious gunshot wounds in the southern city of Antakya, according to the local governor's office, which said the shooter was unidentified.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/03/turkey-protests-us-voices-concern

































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Turkey protests continue as US (Kerry) voices concern about police use of force (PIC HEAVY) (Original Post) Turborama Jun 2013 OP
a joint Syrian-Armenian sponsored "Friends of Turkey" coalition on the horizon? Alamuti Lotus Jun 2013 #1
Thanks for the Angry Arab link Turborama Jun 2013 #4
I don't think those pix were helpful. delrem Jun 2013 #2
They're posted to depict what's been happening. Turborama Jun 2013 #3
not helpful to organized resistance. They express only violence. delrem Jun 2013 #5
It's what's been happening Turborama Jun 2013 #6
look closely, mostly police violence (as usual) *nt Alamuti Lotus Jun 2013 #7
Yah, it's police violence, and they know they're being recorded. delrem Jun 2013 #8
Yes, the Turkey Police should be MUCH nicer and gentler. Shame on them! 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #9
99th Monkey SamKnause Jun 2013 #11
Your list is impressive 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #13
Turkey SamKnause Jun 2013 #10
They can give advice, John2 Jun 2013 #16
Turkey 2 SamKnause Jun 2013 #17
Police never act like that in the USA dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #12
Hey, Johnny. . .next time the police riot against the Occupy movement, a WTO protest or something Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #14
Remember when Kerry spoke out about police violence against Occupy? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #15
He'll call for drone strikes next burnodo Jun 2013 #18
Are those pics Turkey or Oakland? malthaussen Jun 2013 #19
Large Trade Union (240,000) to start 2-day strike. Over 3000 injured. Catherina Jun 2013 #20
Who are the men in civilian clothing attacking Turkish protesters? Catherina Jun 2013 #21
kick Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #22
Isn't it time we armed the protestors? eissa Jun 2013 #23
 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
1. a joint Syrian-Armenian sponsored "Friends of Turkey" coalition on the horizon?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:19 AM
Jun 2013

with gratitude to the brilliant Prof. Asad AbuKhalil for the snark.
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2013/06/friends-of-turkey.html


Great pics, thank you for this posting! This is a very major story that Erdogan and his allies in NATO and the Gulf dictatorships are looking to squash.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
4. Thanks for the Angry Arab link
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:29 AM
Jun 2013

He always comes up with great insights, I was following him during the Tunisian and then Egyptian uprisings.

Seems like we have an element here who wants to try and quash it too, for some reason.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
6. It's what's been happening
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:45 AM
Jun 2013

I have been looking for some more pics of the protest pre-violence and have just found a couple, which I'll add now.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
8. Yah, it's police violence, and they know they're being recorded.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:33 AM
Jun 2013

I'm naturally skeptical about this "Arab Spring (tm)"
Libya looks very different than Tunisia. Libya looks disturbingly similar to Syria.

Now Turkey?

Turkey is the insertion point for the FSA. The FSA, to my mind, lacks all credibility. This has to be the biggest thing in Turkey's politics. The instigators of this "end game" war have to have known that because it was funded and served from outside, it'd also be fought from outside. Turkey serves as a nice client. Other than that, well fuck them.
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
9. Yes, the Turkey Police should be MUCH nicer and gentler. Shame on them!
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:06 AM
Jun 2013

"Nicer" like the NYPD were to OWS in Zucatti Park, in the good ol' USA when
decent citizens conspired by legal means to freely assemble to petition the
government for the redress of dire grievances, i.e. the 99% being completely
beggared and fucked-over BY The 1% and their hired guns.

When this happened here in the US, the cops and FBI and DHS and the Titans
of Wall St., probably Blackwater, and god knows who all else, all conspired to
brutally crush this harmless & sincere upstart of a genuine grass-roots people's
movement, called Occupy.

How dare any US official lecture other nations about how they treat THEIR citizens,
who are spontaneously rising up to help change the course of history, for the
better of the whole nation & human race, not just the greedy powerful few.

Why do we continue these pretenses at all anymore? Pretending that somehow,
by some Hollywood fairy dust magical thinking, that this is EVER going to "get
better", that the "good guys" will save the day at the last minute, like the Cavalry
comes in the nick of time in old "Cowboy & Indian" movies. George Carlin RIP, had
the inside scoop, and it's not pretty.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
11. 99th Monkey
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:51 AM
Jun 2013

Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:30 PM - Edit history (1)

I agree with you 110% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sick of the charade.

I don't believe a word out of our government, military, judges, police, or medias mouths.

The U.S. is run by a corrupt cesspool of thieves and liars; left and right.

I am sick of the pretending.

I wish people would open their eyes and ears.

I get my news from alternative news sources from around the globe and independent media; Democracy Now, Link TV, RT, Al Jazeera, etc.

If you want the truth you will find it from;

Jeremy Scahill
Matt Taibbi
Glenn Greenwald
Robert Greenwald
Greg Palast
Chris Hedges
Norm Chomsky
Howard Zinn (deceased)
Richard Wolf (the economics professor)
Naomi Kline
Naomi Wolf
Amy Goodman
Juan Gonzalez


There are a hand full of true journalist out there.

Free Bradley Manning
Stop persecuting Wikileaks
Stop persecuting Julian Assange

Let TRUTH and FREEDOM ring !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. Your list is impressive
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:40 AM
Jun 2013

Especially since those are exactly the same journos I trust as well.

I even tried to think of someone else I would add, and the only one
I could think of was Norm Solomon; which is a little chilling, seeing
that only 12-13 people are all that stand between us and the
jaws of a nasty dystopian neo-feudalism where billionaires and
corporate CEOs reign roughshod over everyone else, but especially
the powerless and the poor.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
10. Turkey
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:34 AM
Jun 2013

U.S. government officials should keep their yaps shut !!!!

They should not be giving advice to anyone, or any country.

DHS got rid of our peaceful protesters.

The police departments around the country treated them atrociously.

They feared them, so they crushed them.

The U.S. government is corrupt from top to bottom.

They spread propaganda like it is manure.

The U.S. government loves to bully everyone around the world, including the citizens of it's own country.

They don't want change.

They want an empire and they don't care about the costs or collateral damage.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
16. They can give advice,
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 06:57 AM
Jun 2013

just to show they are non bias. They can start by telling the Turkish Prime Minister to resign or else.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
17. Turkey 2
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 07:59 AM
Jun 2013

They can give advice that proves they are bloviating hypocrites.

Did anyone call for President Obama to resign when the DHS and police across this country were squashing OWS ?

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
14. Hey, Johnny. . .next time the police riot against the Occupy movement, a WTO protest or something
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 06:05 AM
Jun 2013

that upsets the owners of this country, be sure to say this about our police. . .otherwise, you stink of rank hypocrisy.

Turkey can tell you, Johnny, "but your country does the same thing. Why can't we to it to our citizens that upset the current order?"

NWA was right. . .Fuck. . .tha. . .police!!!

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
19. Are those pics Turkey or Oakland?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:55 AM
Jun 2013

I guess it is okay for the US to condemn the Turkish administration, as all the panes in our glass house were broken quite some time ago.

-- Mal

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
20. Large Trade Union (240,000) to start 2-day strike. Over 3000 injured.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:04 AM
Jun 2013
Turkey protests: Union to start two-day strike

...

One of Turkey's big trade union groups is staging a two-day strike to support continuing anti-government protests in a number of cities.

The left-wing Kesk trade union confederation, representing some 240,000 workers, accused the government of committing "state terror".

...

The strike, which will last for two days from 12:00 on Tuesday (09:00 GMT), is expected to affect schools and universities along with government offices.

...

The confederation, representing 11 unions, accused the government of undermining democracy.

...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22762391?

Over 3,000 Injured in Turkey Protests in Last 2 Days - Report

MOSCOW, June 4 (RIA Novosti) - Over 3,000 people were injured and one killed in Turkey over the last two days as anti-government protests kept spreading across the country on Monday, CNN reported citing data from the Turkish Medical Association.

According to the association, at least 3,195 people were hurt in demonstrations on Sunday and Monday, with 26 of them in serious or critical condition. One of the injured protesters died of sustained injuries, the association said.

Most of the injured people were reported in Istanbul, where demonstrations began before spreading to Ankara, Antalya, Izmir, Adana and other Turkish cities.

Protests started last week with some form of a sit-in of angered Istanbul residents against the planned demolition of Gezi Park, one of the few green areas left in central Istanbul, and to replace it with rebuilt Ottoman barracks and a shopping mall.

...

http://en.rian.ru/world/20130604/181492519.html?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
21. Who are the men in civilian clothing attacking Turkish protesters?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:13 AM
Jun 2013

04/06/2013 / TURKEY
Who are the men in civilian clothing attacking Turkish protesters?


A man in civilian clothing armed with a long baton in the streets of Izmir, Sunday night, next to the police.

Since Friday, protests against Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s conservative Islamic government have been springing up in Turkey’s main cities. The crackdown on protesters has been very violent, particularly in Izmir, on the country’s western coast, where men dressed in civilian clothing and armed with long batons have been attacking them, working alongside the police.

(Video at link)

...

“They came out a couple hours after a speech by Erdogan calling on his supporters to mobilise”

...

It is only on Sunday that I saw a third type appear. They came out in support of the police. I asked a plainclothes officer who they were, but he only said that these men came “from above”. Even if we cannot be completely sure about anything, there are several clues that tie these men to the AKP party.

First of all, these men appeared several hours after a speech by Erdogan trying to intimidate protesters, in which he said: “For every 100,000 protesters, I will bring out a million from my party”. Furthermore, they are armed with sticks very similar to the plainclothes police's white batons, except that theirs are longer, heavier, and are occasionally black instead of white. I don’t think they are policemen: the police, whether in civilian clothing or not, are always well dressed and shaven, given their line of work, whereas these men for the most part are not.

...

http://observers.france24.com/content/20130604-men-civilian-clothing-attacking-turkish-protesters?

eissa

(4,238 posts)
23. Isn't it time we armed the protestors?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jun 2013

I mean, just look at how brutal the goverment's response has been. Those poor, peaceful protestors don't stand a chance, we need to support them against such a tyrannical and violent regime.

Oh, Turkey is our ally? Nevermind.

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