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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:46 AM Jun 2013

Behind Cry for Help From China Labor Camp

Source: New York Times

Scrawling in wobbly English on a sheet of onionskin paper, the writer said he was imprisoned at a labor camp in this northeastern Chinese town, where he said inmates toiled seven days a week, their 15-hour days haunted by sadistic guards.

The letter drew international news media coverage and widespread attention to China’s opaque system of “re-education through labor,” a collection of penal colonies where petty criminals, religious offenders and critics of the government can be given up to four-year sentences by the police without trial.

“Sometimes the guards would drag me around by my hair or apply electric batons to my skin for so long, the smell of burning flesh would fill the room,” said Chen Shenchun, 55, who was given a two-year sentence for refusing to give up a petition campaign aimed at recovering unpaid wages from her accounting job at a state-owned factory.

According to former inmates, roughly half of Masanjia’s population is made up of Falun Gong practitioners or members of underground churches, with the rest a smattering of prostitutes, drug addicts and petitioners whose efforts to seek redress for perceived injustices had become an embarrassment for their hometown officials.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/world/asia/man-details-risks-in-exposing-chinas-forced-labor.html?pagewanted=all

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Behind Cry for Help From China Labor Camp (Original Post) Bonobo Jun 2013 OP
This is the Great Wall that Young Mister Snowden might duck behind if he can't get any MADem Jun 2013 #1
That was my first thought. I figured things had improved a lot. Still on my Adelson CT, though. freshwest Jun 2013 #6
And to think we in the US still have more prisoners per population size fasttense Jun 2013 #11
We don't kill ours by the many thousands, like they do. MADem Jun 2013 #12
"What a charming display of freedoms" catnhatnh Jun 2013 #15
I've got leftists friends who say China is a shining example for the US - and they're serious. cheapdate Jun 2013 #2
I am a "leftist"... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #5
We have some members who live in or have recently lived in China. Try the Asia forum, too, for info. freshwest Jun 2013 #7
I find this hard to believe. quakerboy Jun 2013 #9
I wouldn't go that far, but I suppose I'm a "pro-China leftist." David__77 Jun 2013 #10
These friends of mine are former philosophy and political science majors cheapdate Jun 2013 #16
Again, I find it hard to believe. I would like specifics quakerboy Jun 2013 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author snagglepuss Jun 2013 #18
The locals call them "li gao" Left Coast2020 Jun 2013 #3
Reminds me of a "letter in a bottle" ReRe Jun 2013 #4
They won't have to. They are moving into the West Coast fast enough it won't be any different. freshwest Jun 2013 #8
I'll bet that guy wishes he had a union to protect him on the job. Hubert Flottz Jun 2013 #13
But the only recognition of 'workers' rights worldwide' was organized by commies duhneece Jun 2013 #14
never forget how my online friends from Formosa disappeared one day and never returned. Sunlei Jun 2013 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #19

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. This is the Great Wall that Young Mister Snowden might duck behind if he can't get any
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:54 AM
Jun 2013

play from his dreamland-Iceland?

"Forced labor" or "re-education" ain't technically "prison." It's just like summer camp, only longer, with arduous conditions....and ya can't leave.

Yay, China--they will 'save' him!!! What a charming display of freedoms in that letter! What's not to love?

I'll add one of these for the irony-impaired:

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. We don't kill ours by the many thousands, like they do.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:36 AM
Jun 2013

They'd probably be overrun with prisoners if:

1. They counted the people in the forced labor and re-education camps and called them what they are, prisoners;

2. They didn't kill them by the thousands each year.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
15. "What a charming display of freedoms"
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 08:24 AM
Jun 2013

....but I DO notice they have a fixed term to serve unlike detainees at Guantanamo-be careful what you call the Kettle, Mr. Pot.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. We have some members who live in or have recently lived in China. Try the Asia forum, too, for info.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jun 2013

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
9. I find this hard to believe.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 03:11 AM
Jun 2013

In what respect? China is an Authoritarian Capitalist paradise. What part of that would a leftist be drawn to? Please be specific.

David__77

(23,369 posts)
10. I wouldn't go that far, but I suppose I'm a "pro-China leftist."
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 04:13 AM
Jun 2013

I think that China's economic development and social stability is progressive force on the world stage. It helps maintain peace and development throughout Asia. China's foreign trade policy is definitely more progressive than the World Bank/IMF regime, acting as a counterpoint in Africa and Latin America.

At home, the Chinese government is a secular entity with a decent record on women's rights, including abortion rights. Gay people are gaining greater acceptance (still a long way to go). Economic policy is akin to FDR's New Deal, focusing massive resources on works projects in the poorer interior regions.

China's economic growth is real, and is transforming the lives of hundreds of millions. A needed shift away from export-oriented growth is occurring, allowing wages to rise an the workforce becomes more skilled and oriented toward technology-intensive production.

Falun Gong is a hateful anti-gay cult that is completely right-wing and backward. I do not sympathize with it at all.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
16. These friends of mine are former philosophy and political science majors
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:02 AM
Jun 2013

from our local university. One of them works at a bank now, the other one I met through his community activism. He's working odd jobs and going to graduate school. They are both committed Marxists. They take positions all the time that are awfully hard to swallow unless you're in their mindset.

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
20. Again, I find it hard to believe. I would like specifics
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:50 PM
Jun 2013

What exactly would a Marxist find admirable about Capitalist Authoritarian China?

Response to cheapdate (Reply #2)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
4. Reminds me of a "letter in a bottle"
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jun 2013

One wonders if the USA and China are going to change places one of these days.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. They won't have to. They are moving into the West Coast fast enough it won't be any different.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:43 AM
Jun 2013

Whether that's good or bad, I don't know. I have a lot of Chinese neighbors of all ages and I find them great people. Some have just come to retire, others run businesses. They are not changing their culture to live here, just locations.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
13. I'll bet that guy wishes he had a union to protect him on the job.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 07:35 AM
Jun 2013

His working conditions are what the GOP has in mind for Americans.

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
14. But the only recognition of 'workers' rights worldwide' was organized by commies
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 07:50 AM
Jun 2013

And they were vilified. Child labor, prison labor...and yet we still buy their products. Damn that says alot about us...and none of it good.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. never forget how my online friends from Formosa disappeared one day and never returned.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:49 AM
Jun 2013

Not to long ago people from china were in a lot of the online communities. China cut them off and that was that

I guess if you're a Gov leader there or a city/town leader- you can do what you want. Any lower class or a person without leadership lines and contacts..your life is in their hands.

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