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Galraedia

(5,022 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:37 PM Jun 2013

Texas pastor: Donate to fix my helicopter and get a new car from God

Source: Raw Story

A Texas pastor is being accused of “blasphemy” after he sent out a fundraising plea promising that God would give a new car in “52 days or 52 weeks” to anyone who chipped in $52 to fix his helicopter.

“Do you need better transportation?” New Light Church Bishop Ira V. Hilliard asks in a letter obtained by The Smoking Section. “Do you have a dream vehicle or luxury automobile you long to purchase?”

“We have an urgent transportation need that the Lord said can be an opportunity for you to see His favor and His wisdom released to help you,” he continues. “Scripture teaches when you give to a Kingdom need God will raise up someone to use their power, their ability and their influence to help you.”

Hilliard says that he was excited when the “small voice of the Holy Spirit” told him that God would “release favor” for anyone who helped upgrade the blades on the church’s helicopter.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/19/texas-pastor-donate-to-fix-my-helicopter-and-get-a-new-car-from-god/



Aviation experts estimated the value of the church’s helicopter at $1 million. New Light also owns a Hawker jet valued at $2 million and an aviation hangar valued at $3 million.
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Texas pastor: Donate to fix my helicopter and get a new car from God (Original Post) Galraedia Jun 2013 OP
Fleecing the sheep Andy823 Jun 2013 #1
followers are victims sigmasix Jun 2013 #28
I have a problem with the "victim" notion. crim son Jun 2013 #44
+1 Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #50
A lot of money can be made in religion..so many can movonne Jun 2013 #2
Pay the lord Major Nikon Jun 2013 #3
I see this crap on late night TV shawn703 Jun 2013 #4
Hilarious paid programming. I saw that too. Dash87 Jun 2013 #31
Blasphemy? KamaAina Jun 2013 #5
To misquote James Kirk, SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #6
Try this... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #16
"our aviation department..." Enrique Jun 2013 #7
LOL!!! theHandpuppet Jun 2013 #39
And they are tax-exempt, WHY? dbackjon Jun 2013 #8
Now I know why Republicans don't want NASA capturing an asteroid Fumesucker Jun 2013 #9
Mofo asteroids on a mofo plane!!!!! Paulie Jun 2013 #17
Let's see if I've got this right: Jesus rode an ass... bluesbassman Jun 2013 #10
Next up, a camel squeezes through the eye of a needle. RushIsRot Jun 2013 #11
Is that an inflight film? Paulie Jun 2013 #18
heh. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #48
I do not care what he thinks will happen TNNurse Jun 2013 #12
These con artists don't believe in god and their religious panhandling is proof. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #49
"Prey TV looks like Pay TV to me, it's just a curse on the human race." ~ Pete Townshend. . . Journeyman Jun 2013 #13
Damn thing aint even broke Warpy Jun 2013 #14
........ trusty elf Jun 2013 #42
He ain't got nothing on Kenny Copeland Major Nikon Jun 2013 #15
He should have read The Guide: Turbineguy Jun 2013 #19
Slayer goes to church,unbelievable! Rain Mcloud Jun 2013 #20
Disgusting. Aristus Jun 2013 #21
Frank Zappa nailed it with Heavenly Bank Account edbermac Jun 2013 #22
And yet, many of the gullible will reach for their checkbooks, Marie Marie Jun 2013 #23
Who made this guy a "bishop"? NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #24
It's his church. Brigid Jun 2013 #27
Bishop sounds cooler than Rook, which rhymes with Crook Kennah Jun 2013 #32
Fairly common in the South Fastcars Jun 2013 #37
Proof to me again that there is no god Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #25
Dear "Bishop" Hilliard: Brigid Jun 2013 #26
I wonder if he speaks in tongues when he begs. longship Jun 2013 #29
uh oh .............. dothemath Jun 2013 #30
Mob doesn't let you go after another Made Man--at least not without a sit down. Kennah Jun 2013 #33
"First Lady Bridgette Hilliard" Kennah Jun 2013 #34
He should have gone with God will take me home rpannier Jun 2013 #35
Darn, I just ran through all the replies to make sure TxDemChem Jun 2013 #36
Why is anybody surprised? This is Prosperity Gospel at its finest TrogL Jun 2013 #38
Elmer Gantry redux CanonRay Jun 2013 #40
There's a special place in Hell reserved for these megachurch snake-oil salesmen. Arkana Jun 2013 #41
If God wants him to have better transportation the preacher should trust in the Lord to provide. Gormy Cuss Jun 2013 #43
If God wanted him to fly... theHandpuppet Jun 2013 #51
Tax this Charlatan. sarcasmo Jun 2013 #45
I wonder how many will donate and get fleeced sakabatou Jun 2013 #46
And the govt spake to me and said "More money for defense and you will be safe" and so we gave more The Straight Story Jun 2013 #47
Hey, Ira! What a coincidence! You and I got almost exactly the same message! struggle4progress Jun 2013 #52

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
1. Fleecing the sheep
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jun 2013

I have heard some pretty good con jobs, but I have to admit this one is right up there at the top!

It always amazes me just how many religious leaders can come up with BS like this and their gullible followers fork out the money, no questions asked.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
28. followers are victims
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jun 2013

Neo-Christian fundamentalist oganizations like this use emotional and spritual manipulation of the members to maintain control of thier fear and anger through cultish manipulations of the truth about the real world. I hope that good Americans are able to break the spell of criminally wealthy right wing Jesus revisionaries.
I do feel sorry for teabaggers; what a lonely life and death they must experience by roundly hating everyone that is without teabagger-approved manufactured outrage towards the president and any liberties won since the civil war.
The truely sad fact is that Teabaggers are so aware of the repugnance Americans feel towards them that they hide thier true aims from the American electorate. If teabaggers are so sure of the rightness of thier narrative- why do they always hide these facts from electors? A democracy is a contest of ideas at times- teabaggers will always lose the vote when forced to speak the truth about the alec legislation they are attempting to enact.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
44. I have a problem with the "victim" notion.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jun 2013

The evils of these evangelistic parasites have been repeatedly revealed. Calling their followers "victims" is like calling a modern-day smoker a "victim" of the tobacco companies. At some point one has to take responsibility for one's idiocy and I believe that time has come for the American Christian.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
4. I see this crap on late night TV
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:45 PM
Jun 2013

I don't know if it's the same guy or not, but the "pastor" I have in mind had a specific dollar amount that like $282 that people should call and donate and within 282 days they would be rewarded by God financially. He even called it an investment.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
6. To misquote James Kirk,
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:49 PM
Jun 2013

"What does God need with a helicopter?"

Although a new car for $52 is a pretty good deal. That Lamborghini Cabrera looks pretty nice.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
7. "our aviation department..."
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:56 PM
Jun 2013

if your church has an aviation department, you might be getting ripped off.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
9. Now I know why Republicans don't want NASA capturing an asteroid
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jun 2013

The temptation to drop it on this motherfucker's head would be too much for humans to bear.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
12. I do not care what he thinks will happen
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:29 PM
Jun 2013

this man is going straight to Hell when he dies. At least I hope there is a Hell for him and a few others.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
14. Damn thing aint even broke
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:31 PM
Jun 2013

Preacher just wants to pimp it out with fancier blades.

Good ole Texas. Prosperity theology isn't selling like it used to in other parts of the country, especially California. That "give the church what you have and you will prosper" rings a little hollow when the congregation is underemployed and the only one who ever prospered was the preacher.

I wish there were a way to sue these guys for religious malpractice.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
15. He ain't got nothing on Kenny Copeland
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jun 2013

Copeland has a Cessna Citation X ($20 Million), Grumman Gulfstream II ($4.5 million), and a Citation 550 ($3.4 million) plus other assorted aircraft and his own private airport.

Ira is just trying to keep up with the joneses.

edbermac

(15,938 posts)
22. Frank Zappa nailed it with Heavenly Bank Account
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:15 PM
Jun 2013


And if these words you do not heed, your pocket book just kinda might recede
When some man comes along and claims a godly need
He will clean you out right through your tweed
That's right, you asked for it, remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over
He's got twenty million dollars in his Heavenly Bank Account
All from those chumps who was born again, oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got seven limousines and a private plane
All for the use of his special friends, oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got thousand-dollar suits and a Wembley Tie
Girls love to stroke it while he's on the phone, oh yeah, oh yeah
At the House of Representatives he's a groovy guy
When he gives thanks he is not alone

He is dealin', he is really dealin', IRS can't determine where the hook is
It is easy with the bible to pretend that you're in Show Biz (And the one and the two and the...)
They won't get him, they will never get him for the naughty stuff that he did
It is best in cases like this to pretend that you are stupid

He's got Presidential help all along the way
He says the grace while the lawyers chew, oh yeah, they sure do
And the Governors agree to say: "He's a lovely man"
He makes it easier for them to screw all of you, yes, that's true
'Cause he helps put the fear of god in the common man
Snatchin' up money everywhere he can, oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got twenty million dollars in his Heavenly Bank Account
You ain't got nothin', people
You ain't got nothin', people
You ain't got nothin', people
Thank the man, oh yeah
As we end another broadcast today let me say that "You ain't got nothin' and he's got it all"
And your miserable self is against the wall
The only thing you have not tried, is the sport of chumps, that's suicide

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
23. And yet, many of the gullible will reach for their checkbooks,
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jun 2013

thinking they are helping this charlatan do the Lord's work - usually those who can least afford it. Shameless.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
24. Who made this guy a "bishop"?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jun 2013

Usually a bishop is assumed to be someone in a leadership position over a fairly large region and many churches. What with guys like this and Eddie Long calling themselves "bishop"?

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
27. It's his church.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jun 2013

I guess that means, among other things, that he gets to call himself a "bishop" if he wants to.

Fastcars

(204 posts)
37. Fairly common in the South
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:49 AM
Jun 2013

At least in the African American churches I have been exposed to. There is a commercial running here in Shreveport inviting you to join "Prophet" so-and-so on Sunday mornings.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
25. Proof to me again that there is no god
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jun 2013

If there were, the smiting would never stop.

At the very least there would a "defamation of brand" lawsuit.

longship

(40,416 posts)
29. I wonder if he speaks in tongues when he begs.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jun 2013

Like this guy:


Whenever you hear glossolalia you are being scammed.
 

dothemath

(345 posts)
30. uh oh ..............
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:40 AM
Jun 2013

Pat Robertson and untold 'gawdly' shyster charlatans are not going to be happy about this. Every dollar he gets is a dollar they can't get.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
35. He should have gone with God will take me home
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:21 AM
Jun 2013

but Oral Roberts already used that in 1981

Plus, he wouldn't be able to use his helicopter to get there

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
36. Darn, I just ran through all the replies to make sure
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jun 2013

No one else had mentioned Oral Roberts. My dad and I still crack up about that every time we visit family in Tulsa.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
43. If God wants him to have better transportation the preacher should trust in the Lord to provide.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:27 AM
Jun 2013

The "small voice of the Holy Spirit?" That wasn't the Holy Spirit, preacher. It was the little devil who sits on your shoulder.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
47. And the govt spake to me and said "More money for defense and you will be safe" and so we gave more
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jun 2013

If it ain't preachers it's politicians.

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
52. Hey, Ira! What a coincidence! You and I got almost exactly the same message!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jun 2013

Except the message I heard was that if you give me money for a new car then your helicopter will be fixed in 52 days or 52 weeks or whenever!

So I'm wondering, old buddy, whether you might could have heard wrong? Maybe you should double-check your answering machine

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