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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:43 PM Jun 2013

In Major Blow To Consumers, Supreme Court Protects Mega-Corporations From Liability

Source: ThinkProgress & AP

(Credit: Associated Press)

In case it weren’t clear already, the U.S. Supreme Court hammered home Thursday morning that it will protect the rights of corporations to force arbitration over the individuals’ access to the court system at any expense.

In a 5-3 ruling with Justice Sonia Sotomayor recused, Justice Antonin Scalia eviscerated almost any opportunity small merchants have to challenge alleged monopolistic practices by American Express in their credit card agreements.

Sound familiar? Earlier this term, the court turned back on procedural grounds a lawsuit alleging monopolistic practices by Comcast. A week after that, they turned back the claims of workers to challenge employer practices as a class. And in 2011, they issued one of the worst blows to consumer rights in years when they held that consumers challenging $30 fees could not sue together as a class. In each of these cases, the court’s procedural rulings meant the parties may never get to argue about whether these corporations actually violated the law. And as a consequence, these corporations will never be held accountable.

With Thursday’s ruling, the court added small businesses to the list of aggrieved parties whose access to the courthouse has been foreclosed by boilerplate contracts that prohibit parties from filing their challenge as a class, or from otherwise alleviating the immense cost of filing their claims individually. This time, the litigants were small businesses taking on American Express, and their lawyer was none other than conservative powerhouse Paul Clement. Clement has argued many of the major conservative court wins of the past few years, and his argument on the side of the plaintiffs was probably the last best shot at curbing the Roberts Court’s total perversion of the Federal Arbitration Act.


Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/20/2189061/even-small-businesses-cant-shake-mega-corporations-chokehold-on-access-to-the-courts/



Anyone surprised that the US is completely owned and controlled by corprats, all the way up to the USSC? I keep telling people: "If you hate so-called " big government" then get your asses busy and DO something about BIG CORPORATIONS that own & control gov't - because that's the damn problem!"
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In Major Blow To Consumers, Supreme Court Protects Mega-Corporations From Liability (Original Post) Triana Jun 2013 OP
BOYCOTT Demeter Jun 2013 #1
It's easy to boycott American Express. Tear up their cards. aquart Jun 2013 #6
Very hard to touch them. Its the card of choice for the 1% and Corporations for Travel Expenditures stevenleser Jun 2013 #12
Years ago when I was a small merchant Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #13
until VISA and Master card start doing this too booley Jun 2013 #44
Certainly, if we place no penalty on it. aquart Jun 2013 #58
it's past boycot time we need a national strike leftyohiolib Jun 2013 #14
So? Stand up. See if anyone stands with you. aquart Jun 2013 #59
I don't tend to recommend products... cause well, theres enough commercials... Veilex Jun 2013 #17
Hard to do. I pay my rent on my Amex which gives me a ton of points. Lucky Luciano Jun 2013 #39
As always. Thanks, Ralph. nt onehandle Jun 2013 #2
yikes nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #3
$$$$$ is all that matters in America today $$$$$ AndyA Jun 2013 #4
It's been that way for quite some time. RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #51
WTF How can this be? avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #5
...of, by, and for the corporations. City Lights Jun 2013 #7
that heaven05 Jun 2013 #8
+1000 n/t OhioChick Jun 2013 #9
People are certainly not irrelevant!! pocoloco Jun 2013 #41
Cut up AE cards right now! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #10
I hope that there have been no 'backhanders?' Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #11
Put some pressure on Costco. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #15
I just use cash or debit at Costco - I will not own an American Express card csziggy Jun 2013 #19
Ditto about their high processing fees. SoapBox Jun 2013 #21
If I happen to run across a merchant that I dislike, and have to use, Fuddnik Jun 2013 #24
ooops, LittleGirl Jun 2013 #56
Ain't fascism nineteen50 Jun 2013 #16
so who the SCOTUS work for again? azurnoir Jun 2013 #18
Not the 99%! nt SoapBox Jun 2013 #22
+1000 azurnoir Jun 2013 #32
Koch Industries, Exxon-Mobil, American Express, Goldman-Sachs... Triana Jun 2013 #29
yep +1,000 azurnoir Jun 2013 #31
Corporations are people my friend...and they're more important than consumers! nt MADem Jun 2013 #20
Corporations arent people. They are the gods. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #40
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #23
Why in hell haven't we made a move to impeach Scalia yet? Initech Jun 2013 #25
One more reason I'm not interested in doing business with American Express. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #26
A boycott is pointless ... Alhena Jun 2013 #27
You can thank the "Centrist" Democrats for this one too! bvar22 Jun 2013 #28
The petit bourgeoisie ought to look at this .... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #30
Disgusting but not surprising. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2013 #33
Perhaps if we, as consumers, formed our own They_Live Jun 2013 #34
Here is the actual opinion happyslug Jun 2013 #35
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #36
Corporations are people, my friend! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #37
Thanks (I suppose) for the reminder that we have the best government money can buy. panzerfaust Jun 2013 #42
How's That Conversation Going With Your Local Friendly Corporations cantbeserious Jun 2013 #55
Justice Kagan's Dissent Is Briiliant. DarthDem Jun 2013 #38
she is brilliant. a shining light among dimwits. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #47
I hear ya! Yet another win for investors! raouldukelives Jun 2013 #43
Zombie Democracy. L0oniX Jun 2013 #45
just in case anyone was starting to think Roberts is human mountain grammy Jun 2013 #46
Can we sue Karl Malden's nose? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #48
The cons always ctsnowman Jun 2013 #49
Corporate coup d'etat KauaiK Jun 2013 #50
It happened in the 1990s with Gramm-Leach-Bliley, NAFTA and Enthusiast Jun 2013 #52
Agreed - The Oligarchs Own And Control The Corporations That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Jun 2013 #53
reIn Major Blow To Consumers, Supreme Court Protects Mega-Corporations From Liability allan01 Jun 2013 #54
And his should come as a surprise? Seriously, did anyone capable of rational thought... Raster Jun 2013 #57
The Korporate Court nikto Jun 2013 #60

aquart

(69,014 posts)
6. It's easy to boycott American Express. Tear up their cards.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jun 2013

You shouldn't be carrying them anyway. They are horribly greedy and very expensive for merchants.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
12. Very hard to touch them. Its the card of choice for the 1% and Corporations for Travel Expenditures
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jun 2013

In most firms if you have to travel at all on business they issue you an Amex and require all travel expenses, air fare, hotel, meals on the road, rental cars, etc., be paid for on that card.

It's very unlikely that regular folks can touch Amex in any way with a boycott.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
13. Years ago when I was a small merchant
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jun 2013

American Express made an appointment to come out and discuss our taking their card at our shop. They never showed up for that appointment. A few years later they made another appointment to come out and surprisingly they never showed up for that one. When I got a call from them later on to make yet another appointment, I simply told them that we would not consider accepting their card in our store if they were so very discourteous as to fail to show up and not have the decency to at least call.

So that pretty much took care of American Express in my eyes and it's chance at any piece of our business.

booley

(3,855 posts)
44. until VISA and Master card start doing this too
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jun 2013

And as a business owner, i know there's no way I can avoid VISA. Too many people use it.

Now that there's legal cover, expect other companies to take advantage of this.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
58. Certainly, if we place no penalty on it.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jun 2013

But a refusal to use AmEx will be noticed.

Hurt their bottom line.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
59. So? Stand up. See if anyone stands with you.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 05:00 PM
Jun 2013

No? Then NO, it's not time.

I really hate hysterical knee-jerk reactions.
 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
17. I don't tend to recommend products... cause well, theres enough commercials...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jun 2013

and other garbage out there... but this might actually be useful: http://www.buycott.com/


Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
39. Hard to do. I pay my rent on my Amex which gives me a ton of points.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:11 AM
Jun 2013

It is roughly like getting a $50 rebate each month on my rent doing it that way.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
4. $$$$$ is all that matters in America today $$$$$
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jun 2013

If you haven't got $$$$$, no one really gives a sh!t about you. We have the best government $$$$$ can buy.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
7. ...of, by, and for the corporations.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jun 2013

The people are irrelevant.

The name of the country should be changed to the United Corporations of America.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
11. I hope that there have been no 'backhanders?'
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jun 2013

another word for bribe - I hope that our judicial branch have no resorted to such things

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
19. I just use cash or debit at Costco - I will not own an American Express card
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jun 2013

Over 30 years ago I had a problem with my American Express account. They were incredibly rude and obnoxious over the entire thing - which was a misunderstanding. About the same time I had a discussion with a small business owner about why they did not take AE - AE had MUCH higher fees for the business than any other credit card at the time. So I paid the amount owed to AE and closed the account. Haven't missed it, ever.

Every month I get several offers for American Express cards - they all got straight to the shredder. I don't even open them.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
24. If I happen to run across a merchant that I dislike, and have to use,
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jun 2013

They get the American Express, even if I planned on paying cash.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
56. ooops,
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013

I love my Amer Exp card. It pays out once a year and pays for our executive membership for Costco. I use it everywhere. I don't think I could give it up. sorry, I can't boycott.

I don't agree with the courts decision either.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
29. Koch Industries, Exxon-Mobil, American Express, Goldman-Sachs...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:16 PM
Jun 2013

...you know, legal psychopathic entities known as "corporations", which they've declared are "people". As for ACTUAL people, USSC flatly says: "go to hell."

Initech

(100,063 posts)
25. Why in hell haven't we made a move to impeach Scalia yet?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:22 PM
Jun 2013

He does not represent us. He represents the big wealthy business interests.

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
27. A boycott is pointless ...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:45 PM
Jun 2013

As an attorney, I can tell you that every company in America is going to have an arbitration provision taking advantage of this ruling, if they don't have one already (and they probably did after the US Supreme Court's prior gifts to corporations in the Concepcion and Rent-A-Center decisions). It will be included in the fine print of every credit card agreement, every phone service agreement, you name it.

And then the companies can feel quite comfortable in committing fraud upon consumers, knowing full well that they can't afford to file an individual arbitration action.

It's not just AmEx that benefits from this. Any corporation that deals with consumers does, and it would be corporate malpractice not to insert the magic fine print into their agreements that says they never have to worry about getting sued for ripping consumers off.

On the bright side, if we keep electing Democratic presidents eventually one of the conservative 5 is going to die or retire and be replaced by someone more consumer-friendly.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
28. You can thank the "Centrist" Democrats for this one too!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jun 2013

The Republicans could have NEVER put Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court without the direct help of the "Centrist" Democrats.

If you have forgotten,
Google: "Gang of 14"

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
30. The petit bourgeoisie ought to look at this ....
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jun 2013

and understand where their interests lie. And it's obviously NOT with the big bourgeoisie. It's with the working class.

They_Live

(3,231 posts)
34. Perhaps if we, as consumers, formed our own
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jun 2013

mega-corporation, a consumers corporation, then we too will be free of liability. Utterly ridiculous.

 

panzerfaust

(2,818 posts)
42. Thanks (I suppose) for the reminder that we have the best government money can buy.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jun 2013

"Corporations are people, my friend... of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings my friend."

Mitt Romoney
Aug 2011

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
38. Justice Kagan's Dissent Is Briiliant.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 06:20 AM
Jun 2013

Sharp, sarcastic, penetrates Scalia's irrational grounds easiky, and even funny. Bravo!

I don't know if this will have the broad effect that we fear (although it certainly doesn't help matters). One of the problems that the conservatives on the Court often have is that they have to tie themselves in knots to justify their tortured, results-oriented "logic," and this enables clever district and circuit judges to evade the SCOTUS holdings if they wish. Here, Scalia made no attempt to overrule the "effective vindication" rule, so it remains valid. Moreover, the party challenging the arb agreement here was not a consumer, but a small business, and the case might also be limited in future application to the antitrust realm. Bad, yes, but not as bad as it could be.

Still: we need to get Congress back so we can invalidate bad decisions like this one via legislative amendments, like the Ledbetter Act.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
43. I hear ya! Yet another win for investors!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:51 AM
Jun 2013

Hoards of people putting more time & labor into supporting corporations = more money for the corporations to buy and sell us all.
You can't support the destruction of our country, our natural resources, our environment and our political process and then claim you support it.
Well, you can. That is how we got where we are. People proclaiming to be on one side while funding the attacks from the other.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
46. just in case anyone was starting to think Roberts is human
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jun 2013

This is a reminder...he's a corporate robot. He kept Obamacare because, while it may be good for the people, its most definitely good for the corps.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
49. The cons always
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jun 2013

talk about small business but never back it up unless it's vs and individual and then it depends on who the person is.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
54. reIn Major Blow To Consumers, Supreme Court Protects Mega-Corporations From Liability
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jun 2013

i was a 4 year accounting student in college, and had a wonderful accounting instructor. he really opened my eyes up to practical math. he also stated along with insurance, credit cards are the biggest legal scams in history.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
57. And his should come as a surprise? Seriously, did anyone capable of rational thought...
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jun 2013

...expect anything more? The SCOTUS have made it very clear that their allegiance is not to the rule of law, but to the rule of money and corporate power.

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