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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:57 AM Jun 2013

On the left, Howard Dean open to presidential bid

Source: CNN

San Jose, California (CNN) - Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor who electrified anti-war liberals during the 2004 presidential race, said Thursday he would consider another run for the White House – a statement that will surely be met with mixed reaction in the Democratic Party.

Dean, whose underdog presidential campaign officially launched 10 years ago this weekend, said he has "mixed feelings" about running for office again but added he would consider another bid for the Democratic presidential nomination if he doesn't think the other candidates are adequately addressing progressive issues that are dear to his heart.

"I am not driven by my own ambition," Dean told CNN in an interview at the Netroots Nation conference, an annual gathering of left-leaning political activists. "What I am driven by is pushing the country in a direction that it desperately needs to be pushed; pushing other politicians who aren't quite as frank as I am who need to be more candid with the American people about what needs to happen. I am not trying to hedge, it's a hard job running. It's really tough. I am doing a lot of things I really enjoy. But you should never say never in this business."

Dean, the founder of Democracy for America, a progressive organization that lobbies for causes such as same-sex marriage and expanded access to health care, maintained that the prospect is unlikely. He is well liked and respected by liberals – hence his appearance at this week's conference, but is still viewed with a wary eye by many in the Democratic establishment because of his outspoken nature and frequent refusal to march in lockstep with national party leaders.

Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/20/on-the-left-howard-dean-open-to-presidential-bid/

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On the left, Howard Dean open to presidential bid (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2013 OP
Count me in, sir. russspeakeasy Jun 2013 #1
rec! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #2
Good! nt ladjf Jun 2013 #3
I'd go for that. Schema Thing Jun 2013 #4
I'm on board! femmocrat Jun 2013 #5
Here here! Coccydynia Jun 2013 #31
Indeed! cheapdate Jun 2013 #119
You can rest assured timdog44 Jun 2013 #6
I really like Dean but leftyladyfrommo Jun 2013 #7
but maybe as a poster above said, he would push candidates in a progressive and more honest directio Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #29
Like Dennis Kucinich did? NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #58
Dean has a bit more cred than them. IMHO. yodermon Jun 2013 #97
He should have a lot more NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #100
The Republicans sure took him seriously when he was DNC chairman DFW Jun 2013 #137
They took him plenty seriously Cosmocat Jun 2013 #149
Yes, maybe he can push them to promise a progressive, liberal administration. vi5 Jun 2013 #101
determined to be hopeful Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #104
I think you read his intention correctly DFW Jun 2013 #136
Fortunately we don't live in hell Coccydynia Jun 2013 #32
really? it's the only one i have ever seen. mopinko Jun 2013 #44
And he should, so, if true, what does that say about us? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #93
Neither did Obama, if I remember the wags of 2006 correctly... Scootaloo Jun 2013 #129
50 state strategy worked once quakerboy Jun 2013 #130
Domestic politics works the way the Economic Hitman, John Perkins said foreign policy does: yurbud Jun 2013 #156
I'm in! Lugnut Jun 2013 #8
And on the right, the Tea Party is nominating Paula Deen! TexasTowelie Jun 2013 #9
I work in a quiet environment. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #33
My apologies! TexasTowelie Jun 2013 #35
All in on this one. If he runs I will work as hard as ever to get him elected. Dawgs Jun 2013 #10
Ayup Berlum Jun 2013 #11
Is this Howard's partner? flamingdem Jun 2013 #28
That's a Vermont Ox Berlum Jun 2013 #64
Yes, I thought of that later! flamingdem Jun 2013 #71
I'm sure Bossie's a sweetheart, but careful around those horns anyway. nt Jerry442 Jun 2013 #41
Please, please make this come true..n/t monmouth3 Jun 2013 #12
Will Dean be a buffer against the possibility of a Warren or a Grayson run? NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #13
I don't see Warren running for Prez in 2016 Larkspur Jun 2013 #17
What Larkspur said caraher Jun 2013 #45
I don't want either of them to run. We need strong liberal voices in both chambers and the WH. n/t DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #122
I'll go for it Hydra Jun 2013 #14
Great! JDPriestly Jun 2013 #15
I agree caraher Jun 2013 #48
"But it's really time for a woman. " DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #56
I concur with your analysis. bvar22 Jun 2013 #95
I agree. Note my signature line. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #132
The two of them working together would be great. glinda Jun 2013 #124
Warren/Dean in 2016 4dsc Jun 2013 #138
Yes. glinda Jun 2013 #147
K&R'd! snot Jun 2013 #16
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #18
Reporting for duty, sir. nt sarge43 Jun 2013 #19
All right Mr. Dean. bemildred Jun 2013 #20
Dean - Castro - 2016 watoos Jun 2013 #21
And Elizabeth Warren as VP Triana Jun 2013 #22
Count me IN Johnny Noshoes Jun 2013 #23
Waiting for the call-up, Dr. Dean. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2013 #24
He has my support! flying rabbit Jun 2013 #25
Corporate interests are much more powerful than ten years ago ... Auggie Jun 2013 #26
Yes they are, I agree, elleng Jun 2013 #76
Recommend! morningfog Jun 2013 #27
Howard Dean represents the Democratic Wing of the Democratic party demwing Jun 2013 #30
DEAN. More Democrat Than Clinton and Obama Combined. rsmith6621 Jun 2013 #34
True that AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #36
AAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! michigandem58 Jun 2013 #37
Howard Dean is a rare political bird. democrank Jun 2013 #38
YEEEAAAAAGH! lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #39
Dean - Warren In 2016 cantbeserious Jun 2013 #40
Dean yes but I think Warren would be wasted at VP. We need her in the Senate and Grayson in the HOR rhett o rick Jun 2013 #68
Yes - You Are Right - Still Fun To Think About cantbeserious Jun 2013 #77
Deaniacs, reunite! wtmusic Jun 2013 #42
This melts my butter whereas the more talked about do not MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #154
He should embrace "The Scream" - turn it into a talking point. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #43
Yes, and he should point out how he was railroaded by a biased media of Cleita Jun 2013 #49
Not to mention penndragon69 Jun 2013 #112
All of it. He's got to come out on the offensive. n/t Cleita Jun 2013 #113
Great. Others I would like to see throw their hats in the ring would be Cleita Jun 2013 #46
got my checkbook right here, sir. mopinko Jun 2013 #47
Now that's something I didn't expect to wake up and hear. Count me in! nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #50
Dr Dean, I may vote for you anyway, but if you tell me that you'll go after war criminals, I'm in. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #51
I would really like that, but I have no illusion that the media and political machine will still_one Jun 2013 #52
The Left screwed Dean over good in 2004 railsback Jun 2013 #53
Howard, Howard, Howard Demeter Jun 2013 #54
Hell Yes! Phlem Jun 2013 #55
I think we should be concentrating on 2014 first. mimi85 Jun 2013 #57
This ^^^^^ treestar Jun 2013 #83
Probably a lost cause Doctor_J Jun 2013 #155
Dean/Warren/Grayson marsis Jun 2013 #59
Ugh. It's the Democrat-(IC) Party. "Democrat Party" is a rightwing slur. Since you're relatively Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #67
I did know that and stand corrected. marsis Jun 2013 #102
Amazing no one has mentioned cadaverdog Jun 2013 #90
I'm not sure if he would be my first choice but I would gladly vote for him. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #60
I really wish he would, but fear the MIC-corporate reaction Myrina Jun 2013 #61
I'm in.....nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #62
Good to see him considering it...and this early for him is wise KoKo Jun 2013 #63
A big scream for Howard Dean! JohnnyRingo Jun 2013 #65
Howard's my main man HelenWheels Jun 2013 #66
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #69
Good. And he has an organization outside the conservative controlled Party to help him. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #70
Much better than Hillary or any other fake third way type dem. on point Jun 2013 #72
I LOVE HOWARD DEAN...He gets my vote onecent Jun 2013 #73
Yes! He should run, even if there is little chance of his getting the nomination! LongTomH Jun 2013 #74
I'm in, 100%. If Dean decides to run again. Mr. David Jun 2013 #75
Really hope he runs BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #78
Yes....but... SoapBox Jun 2013 #79
He would get my vote....! TheProgressive Jun 2013 #80
Damn skippy Id support Dr. Dean again. bunnies Jun 2013 #81
And I, for one, am looking forward to all the "Hillary is a _________" posts meegbear Jun 2013 #82
Especially if Clinton runs I do hope that someone to her left will take totodeinhere Jun 2013 #84
talk is cheap RILib Jun 2013 #88
Forcing Clinton to the left in the campaign NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #141
Yes! Skidmore Jun 2013 #85
Where can I send $$$??? grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #86
Yes! Run, Howard, run. And bring Joe Biden with you, in either order. RILib Jun 2013 #87
Perhaps, if he has taken some sensitivity training and doesn't endorse cookware bike man Jun 2013 #89
The first comment was stupid, but I get it. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #92
I would truly vote for Dr. Howard Dean...... TinkerTot55 Jun 2013 #91
I would like to see him run again. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #94
Run, Howard, run! MissDeeds Jun 2013 #96
Do it, Howard... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #98
Hillary is determined to be the first woman President .. make no mistake about that. YOHABLO Jun 2013 #99
He'd get my vote. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #103
I have long regretted not voting for him in the 2004 primary carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #105
If he intends to be another sell-out DINO like Obama, don't waste our time!!! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #106
I've never know Dean Phlem Jun 2013 #109
If he runs, he has my vote. blackspade Jun 2013 #107
If its between Hillary and Howard.. DCBob Jun 2013 #108
And we're gonna go to Iowa! And we're gonna go to New Hampshire! KamaAina Jun 2013 #110
You got my vote...AGAIN ! penndragon69 Jun 2013 #111
dean- warren or warren- dean madrchsod Jun 2013 #114
Go Howard go! I always liked him and thought he got a bum rap Number23 Jun 2013 #115
This is great news!!!!! emsimon33 Jun 2013 #116
I'd love the chance to vote for Dr. Dean pscot Jun 2013 #117
Where do I volunteer? n/t Gore1FL Jun 2013 #118
Democracy for America | PO Box 1717 | Burlington, VT 05402. DCBob Jun 2013 #142
Yes!!! We haven't had a true Progressive in the White House since FDR RiverLover Jun 2013 #120
K&R! myrna minx Jun 2013 #121
YES! YES! YES! YES! (Yes, I know I'm raising my voice!) snappyturtle Jun 2013 #123
How well I remember this Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2013 #125
I can get behind Howard Dean. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #126
Oh, yeah. I'd vote for Howard! sueh Jun 2013 #127
YEEEEAAAAAAH! Scootaloo Jun 2013 #128
Or - nat'l party leaders refuse to "march in lockstep"... Beartracks Jun 2013 #131
We need to see and hear more from Dean so I hope he runs SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #133
And when he wins and doesn't deliver ponies rury Jun 2013 #134
This "DU doesn't fully support Obama because of inherent racism" is bullshit Earth_First Jun 2013 #135
I would absolutely do whatever I could to make this happen. PassingFair Jun 2013 #139
He was always my man. mainer Jun 2013 #140
Howard would have my support and vote from Day One. Only Sanders, Grayson or Warren Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #143
Hell yea!!! Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #144
So, assume you're okay with the NSA spying program? brooklynite Jun 2013 #145
I hope the responses to his comments are causing the reaction he's looking for. MelungeonWoman Jun 2013 #146
YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! You go Doc! bklyncowgirl Jun 2013 #148
prepare to be pilloried by the pragmatists Doctor_J Jun 2013 #150
Hillary can pick him for VP. That way we don't lose a sitting senator. graham4anything Jun 2013 #151
Dean left of Clinton = Obama WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jun 2013 #152
His record shows him to be quite centrist on most issues Warpy Jun 2013 #153

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
4. I'd go for that.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:11 AM
Jun 2013

In a better world, he'd win. In this world, he'd pull Hillary and the entire Republican field into slightly more reasonable territory (left).

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
6. You can rest assured
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jun 2013

that the ones who afraid of his appearance are the ones who are bought and paid for.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
100. He should have a lot more
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jun 2013

but, I don't think the media has taken him that seriously since they played up the "Dean scream" from several years ago.

DFW

(54,335 posts)
137. The Republicans sure took him seriously when he was DNC chairman
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:02 AM
Jun 2013

After the 2008 election, none other than Richard Viguerie (look him up--politically the Prince of Darkness) asked me to pass on his congratulations to Howard for the impressive election results he achieved in 2008.

Republican strategists were certainly able to see beyond the scream even if the media and many Democrats were not. After all, they were on the receiving end of his effective strategy.

Cosmocat

(14,561 posts)
149. They took him plenty seriously
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jun 2013

that is why they eagerly engaging in destroying him over the "scream."

Of all the ridiculousness that pols engage in, a "scream" is what did him in?

Really?

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
101. Yes, maybe he can push them to promise a progressive, liberal administration.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jun 2013

Then when they get elected they can throw it all out the window in order to please Republicans who will never love them.

DFW

(54,335 posts)
136. I think you read his intention correctly
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 06:57 AM
Jun 2013

He doesn't want to run, but does want to make sure the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party is heard and heeded.

 

Coccydynia

(198 posts)
32. Fortunately we don't live in hell
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jun 2013

Unless the lesser of two lessers is a winning strategy for the county. I think not.

quakerboy

(13,918 posts)
130. 50 state strategy worked once
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jun 2013

He has more experience under his belt than last time. I wouldnt underestimate him.

That said, the establisment would definitely pan his attempt, at least to start with.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
156. Domestic politics works the way the Economic Hitman, John Perkins said foreign policy does:
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jun 2013

If you don't play ball by the rules of the rich, you will be met with escalating push back

1. First, you'll be ignored and shut out, a la Dennis Kucinich in 2008.

2. If that doesn't work, character assassination. Dean didn't have any dirt, so they were left with that endless loop of that stupid scream, which only proved he shouldn't be a cheerleader. Bush was an excellent cheerleader, and it didn't see to help his judgment as president.

3. If Dean comes back and he is still an independent actor, and can survive character assassination (a tall order), the next step is the more literal kind, or blackmail with threats to his family or the like.

I wonder if he is consciously aware of that last part, and if not, how far he would go once he realized it.

Even if elected, I don't know if he would have the juice to make the profound changes that our system requires. He would practically have to be Gorbachev and reform himself out of a job.

TexasTowelie

(112,089 posts)
35. My apologies!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:10 PM
Jun 2013

I don't anybody to spew their beverages on a computer monitor. I'll know that you were laughing inside though.

Now get back to work and stop looking at cats on the Internet.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
64. That's a Vermont Ox
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jun 2013

Mind your manners now or folks will think you are a digital footsoldier in the Republican War on Women.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
71. Yes, I thought of that later!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:18 PM
Jun 2013

No offense meant to Ox or Woman.

Or Howie for that matter though I heard he's a cow tipper.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
13. Will Dean be a buffer against the possibility of a Warren or a Grayson run?
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jun 2013

Don't get me wrong, I like Dean ok, but of the three..Dean/Warren/Grayson, Dean is left, but still closer to the establishment, than either of the others I would venture to guess. So, I can't help but wonder if he is being put forth as a sort of 'insurance' policy against the other two. I would certainly support him over the likes of another third-way conservative Dem such as Hillary as I believe it is far past time to put the DLC New Dem agenda behind us.

Obama has made me skeptical of everything I guess.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
17. I don't see Warren running for Prez in 2016
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:07 AM
Jun 2013

And I doubt Grayson will do so either. He's a US Rep and will be up for re-election in 2014 and 2016.

If Hillary decides to run, she'll be the clear favorite and will suck a lot of the "air" from the media and donors.
I"m not a Hillary fan, but she is the most qualified woman in the USA to be President right now.

I think Dean would find it hard in 2016 to get traction if Hillary runs. I applaud him for attempting to do so, but his message would get drowned out by the media celebrating the first woman President in US history.

The best bet is to try to find and develop progressive Democrats to run of Congress and that means helping each state develop their own state and local level candidates.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
45. What Larkspur said
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:39 PM
Jun 2013

I love Grayson but he's pretty much where he should be, in Congress pushing everyone left and calling out the bullshit. Outside our circles he's not terribly well-known and the RW noise machine has plenty of material from him that will be very effective in scaring off "independents." So if Dean forestalls a Grayson candidacy that's not a bad thing. But I don't think Grayson is interested anyway.

As much as I'd love to see her do it, I'd be shocked if Warren ran in 2016. And based on what Dean said, I think he'd step aside if she did run. After all, his statement was along the lines of "I might do it if I don't see anyone representing my values" running, and I don't think Dean would feel hesitate to support Warren wholeheartedly. And I do think there would be a big advantage to having Warren vs. Dean carry the torch for the left if Clinton is the leading candidate, because that takes the whole "first woman" thing away from the media. That would leave them with beating up Warren on her actual policy recommendations, and that is a kind of coverage we should welcome! (Though, of course, the chattering class would present it through discussions of "electability...&quot

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
14. I'll go for it
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jun 2013

He's supported some bad policy since he's gotten mixed up in Washington, but he's strong enough that if he took the helm he might just do what he feels needs doing.

He gets my primary vote if he does

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. Great!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jun 2013

He already has an organization. We will all be watching this.

But it's really time for a woman.

I'd like to see Howard Dean manage Elizabeth Warren's campaign or run as her VP.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
48. I agree
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:41 PM
Jun 2013

This is a good thing, but I'd also prefer Warren at the top of the ticket. I think Dean would be better running the campaign; he's stuck with that idiotic "Dean scream" smear which would be a distraction if he were the VP candidate, but meanwhile he's proven his genius at running national campaigns.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
56. "But it's really time for a woman. "
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jun 2013

No offense, especially as I would like to see a woman president, but NOT one whose right wing tendencies do more damage than good.

Hillary may be no Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Connie Rice, or any of the right wing Valkryies that no self respecting Duer would vote for, but she is right wing, and will continue the same "waltz to the right via the center" that we have already had WAY too much of, especially as she has shown herself to be a war hawk in the Mid-east. It would be a sad irony if the war with Iran, the one that could easily involve both the Chinese and the Russians, was started by someone who ran on being more nurturing than a male rival.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
95. I concur with your analysis.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 04:22 PM
Jun 2013

Hillary has never recanted or apologized for helping Bush-the-Lesser invade Iraq.
She has never even admitted that her support for the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq was a mistake.
THIS will haunt her if she tries to run in 2016.

Howard Dean is not my favorite choice.
Despite the delusions of some supporters, he isn't even close to being a Liberal Democrat.
Howard Dean IS a Big Business Centrist who only looks Liberal standing next to Obama or Clinton,
but I would definitely support him over another Clinton.


Johnny Noshoes

(1,977 posts)
23. Count me IN
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jun 2013

I stood in the cold and snow in New Hampshire for Dean the weekend before the '04 Primary and I would do it AGAIN in a New York Minute. It was the weekend before my 50th birthday if he were to run again I would drag my then 62 year old ass into the cold again YEEEEAARGH! I had a Dean sign in my apartment window long after his bid was over - it was in the window so long it turned from that pretty sky blue to a pale barely blue.

Auggie

(31,156 posts)
26. Corporate interests are much more powerful than ten years ago ...
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jun 2013

Governor Dean would face a huge effort against him.

But the electorate is different too. And the mood of the country.

I'd love to see a Dean bid.

elleng

(130,861 posts)
76. Yes they are, I agree,
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jun 2013

and so are 'other' interests more powerful.

I like him A LOT, but see no chance. What he might do would be to interject/energize progressive ideas, which Hillary would then have to address/face.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
30. Howard Dean represents the Democratic Wing of the Democratic party
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jun 2013

and so he represents me.

If he runs, he'll have my vote, and dollars.

democrank

(11,092 posts)
38. Howard Dean is a rare political bird.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

He says what he means and means what he says. He has backbone, common sense and courage. I totally trust that man and will vote for him if I have the opportunity.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
154. This melts my butter whereas the more talked about do not
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jun 2013

I'll reunite the minute he thinks the bid is appropriate.

Once a Deaniac, always a Deaniac, I say. Yee-aahh!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
49. Yes, and he should point out how he was railroaded by a biased media of
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:41 PM
Jun 2013

right wingers repeating it over and over again just like they did to him.

 

penndragon69

(788 posts)
112. Not to mention
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jun 2013

the Kerry / Gephart conspiracey to
derail his campaign....since he was kicking their asses.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
46. Great. Others I would like to see throw their hats in the ring would be
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jun 2013

Elizabeth Warren and Gavin Newsome. Either would make fine Veep candidates to run with Dean should he win the primary.

mopinko

(70,071 posts)
47. got my checkbook right here, sir.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:41 PM
Jun 2013

i will write you the max the day you put up the bat.

i love howard dean. i have had the pleasure of meeting him several times, and i would kill for a president dean. that said, he is kinda short.

still_one

(92,116 posts)
52. I would really like that, but I have no illusion that the media and political machine will
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jun 2013

will be ruthless

I think he won't just take that though

He could be a populous candidate, and I would not rule him out

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
53. The Left screwed Dean over good in 2004
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

Hopefully a good dose of guilt trip won't let that happen again. One things for sure: With Howard as the nominee, there won't be any gray areas between his opponent on the Right.

I'm for Howard

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
54. Howard, Howard, Howard
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jun 2013

You had my total support -- and then, you got owned. You started to back and fill. You deviated off the path of the People into the Corporate Borg hive mind.

No, I'm afraid I don't believe in you any more. Even if I wanted to, Obama cured me of that naiveté of youth.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
57. I think we should be concentrating on 2014 first.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jun 2013

How the mid-terms turn out will have a large bearing on 2016.

I admire Dean however I'd be a bit nervous if he ended up running against Chris Christie - I think a lot of DINOs admire him. I'm not for Hillary either mainly due to having the Big Dawg hanging out in the WH. I really don't know at this point. I like Warren, but I think it's far too soon for her to go down that road. I don't see Grayson ever getting the nomination. I could be wrong though - it wouldn't be the first time.

I think I still have election fatigue and would like some time to think about something else.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
155. Probably a lost cause
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:19 PM
Jun 2013

between the spying issue and Obama offering to cut SS benefits, which will be tied around the necks of the entire party, it will not be a great year. Not as bloody as 2010, but not good.

 

marsis

(301 posts)
59. Dean/Warren/Grayson
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jun 2013

The best of the best in the modern Democrat party. Not saying much as the party has moved miles to the right but none the less, I'd vote for any of those three in a heartbeat.
If only it had a snowball's ch.....................

Tarheel_Dem

(31,230 posts)
67. Ugh. It's the Democrat-(IC) Party. "Democrat Party" is a rightwing slur. Since you're relatively
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jun 2013

new, I thought you should know that.

cadaverdog

(228 posts)
90. Amazing no one has mentioned
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jun 2013

Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown, who is a proven winner, having crushed the heavily bankrolled repuke candidate in the last election. I would love for Dean to run, but logic tells me a Brown candidate may be the more viable candidate.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
61. I really wish he would, but fear the MIC-corporate reaction
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jun 2013

It's not safe out there for Progressives.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
63. Good to see him considering it...and this early for him is wise
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jun 2013

because we are being told it's pretty much Hillary, Biden, Warren vs. Jeb Bush, Christie or any number of other Repugs.

He would bring some enthusiasm forward from those of us who supported him before.

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
66. Howard's my main man
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jun 2013

He would be my first choice for any thing. I'm still mad at Obama for not giving him any office. Dean said he would like to be head of Health and Social Services and as a doctor would be an excellent choice. But Obama snubbed him after Dean practically won the presidency for him with his 50 state policy. Made Obama a smaller man in my opinion.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
70. Good. And he has an organization outside the conservative controlled Party to help him.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:15 PM
Jun 2013

But corporate money will back Ms. Clinton. Although dont rule out Chris Christie switching parties.

Can you imagine a presidential race where Christie (D) runs against J. Bush (R)? The corporatists will be apoplectic.

Christie would certainly get all the corporatist apologist's votes.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
74. Yes! He should run, even if there is little chance of his getting the nomination!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jun 2013

As the Lone Progressive in a primary field of DLC candidates, he could address the issues that both the media and most of the party are ignoring: globalization, the disappearance of middle class jobs, drones, increasing surveilance, etc.

Of course, the media won't miss any opportunity to bring up the "Dean scream," just as they kept bringing up the comment that Al Gore never made, you know the one about "inventing the internet."

 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
75. I'm in, 100%. If Dean decides to run again.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jun 2013

This time, we will not be fooled by the Third Way Democrats/DLC/conservative morons.

Bring on the bats. It'll be filled every day with money from us grassroots people.

BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
78. Really hope he runs
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jun 2013

The deeper the field the better. And Howard remains one of the most articulate and effective Democrats out there, which gives him a puncher's chance. He will energize people and keep his opponents on their toes.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
79. Yes....but...
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013

"x" years ago I would have jumped on the Dr. Dean bandwagon.

However...my first thoughts now are...Can he win? and...How will the TeaPukeConservaturdBaggers try and slaughter him in a campaign? Can he get past the lies, lies, lies (ya know, he fathered a black child and such?) and how will the impotent "media" treat him?

I used to love him, etc...but did see some stuff on MSNBC in the last few years that I did not agree with what he said.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
84. Especially if Clinton runs I do hope that someone to her left will take
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

her on in the primaries whether it be Dean or someone else who is qualified. This would be a win-win situation. Perhaps that person could actually defeat Clinton and we could have a chance to finally have a bona fide progressive in office. But failing that, at least if Clinton is facing a challenge on her left it would probably force her to move to the left herself. Either way the country wins.

 

RILib

(862 posts)
88. talk is cheap
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jun 2013

Hillary might talk the talk, but, like Obama, once elected she wouldn't walk the walk.

We need genuine progressives in office.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
141. Forcing Clinton to the left in the campaign
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:32 AM
Jun 2013

just amounts to "campaign rhetoric" with no real life actions. Recall that Obama, another third-way 'dem' like Clinton, also ran to the left during the campaign. Recall how he hated the Patriot Act, thought (as a campaigner) that NAFTA was bad policy, and that citizens deserve a Public Option in healthcare? Clinton could, and likely would, spout those progressive themes in campaign mode. That's what DLC New dems do...run left, govern right, standard MO.

 

bike man

(620 posts)
89. Perhaps, if he has taken some sensitivity training and doesn't endorse cookware
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.motownsports.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-25164.html


While running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2003, Howard Dean uttered this beauty: "I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks."

"You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room?" Dean asked to laughter. "Only if they had the hotel staff in here." At least he said "people of color" instead of "colored people".



TinkerTot55

(198 posts)
91. I would truly vote for Dr. Howard Dean......
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jun 2013

I'd vote for a REAL Democrat.

After President Dean's eight years, Ms. Warren should be more than ready to take the helm........

As for the "Democratic Establishment," #$%^%$ 'em.

( And yes, that includes you, Hillary. )

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
94. I would like to see him run again.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jun 2013

I would probably support him, but need to see who else is running in the primaries. A progressive voice would be most welcome.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
99. Hillary is determined to be the first woman President .. make no mistake about that.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jun 2013

Howard is so likeable and cuts the B.S. Hillary is going to run and don't you know her ''people'' will tell Dean's ''people'' that ''no, no, this is Hillary's; back off'' and Howard probably will. I am more interested to see who the Repugs will run. Christie?, Rubio?, Bush?

I'd love to see Howard out there .. I really like him. I think is he's not intimidated by the Military nor Corporate America. I don't know, it seems the presidency ruins all of our ''Hopes'' and dreams. Obama has had good intentions, but in many ways he's been such a disappointment. I can't help but think that no matter who is in the Office of President, that the Military and Corporate American let's them know very quickly who's running the show. You want to believe that Howard would be impenetrable.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
105. I have long regretted not voting for him in the 2004 primary
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jun 2013

and welcome the chance to vote for him in 2016

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
109. I've never know Dean
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jun 2013

to be a sellout. Also have you heard him talk to Republicans? From what I've seen he doesn't take shit and calls it exactly what it is. Since his loss he doesn't put up with Republicans. He is definitely NOT OBAMA.

Wish I had some links, I'll send them when I find them.

Bipartisanship is a lie at this point, pure bullshit.

-p

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
108. If its between Hillary and Howard..
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jun 2013

I gotta go with Howard. I was a former Deniac and I think he could be a great President.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
110. And we're gonna go to Iowa! And we're gonna go to New Hampshire!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jun 2013

And we're gonna go to South Carolina!...

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
116. This is great news!!!!!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jun 2013

I had dinner with Howard Dean about 10 days ago (was one of two winners of the DFA dinner with Howard Dean). I asked him this very question and he applied in the negative. I am so glad that he has reconsidered. He is the leader that this nation needs now more than ever!!!!!

As for the nay sayers: Think of what he accomplished was head of the DNC in a very short time and then reconsider how impossible such a candidacy would be.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
142. Democracy for America | PO Box 1717 | Burlington, VT 05402.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:43 AM
Jun 2013

Democracy for America | PO Box 1717 | Burlington, VT 05402
Phone: 802-651-3200 | Fax: 802-651-3299

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/contact

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/

Lets get a "Dean for America" movement started!

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
120. Yes!!! We haven't had a true Progressive in the White House since FDR
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jun 2013

and wow, we need one. Desperately. I second Elizabeth Warren for VP too!!

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
128. YEEEEAAAAAAH!
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:42 AM
Jun 2013


Sorry, I had to... But I'm being honest, hell yeah, I'm with Dean. Hell. gimme a ticket with some combination of Dean, Grayson, and Warren, and i'd be all over that.

Beartracks

(12,806 posts)
131. Or - nat'l party leaders refuse to "march in lockstep"...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jun 2013

... with Dean.

Just suggestin'...

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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,110 posts)
133. We need to see and hear more from Dean so I hope he runs
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:45 AM
Jun 2013

I don't think he could win, but his voice is sorely missed in politics.

rury

(1,021 posts)
134. And when he wins and doesn't deliver ponies
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 04:15 AM
Jun 2013

and unicorns because he has to deal with a recalcitrant, obstructive Republican Congress you will call him a sell-out and start looking for his "progressive alternative."
Or maybe he will get more cooperation ( from DU and/or Congress) because he's white.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
135. This "DU doesn't fully support Obama because of inherent racism" is bullshit
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:50 AM
Jun 2013

It's a tactic by Democrats recently that is just as sleazy as a FoxNews anchor.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
139. I would absolutely do whatever I could to make this happen.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:07 AM
Jun 2013

He has a talent for exposing people like Joe Lieberman.

He turns over rocks and lets us all see the slimy things that live underneath.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
143. Howard would have my support and vote from Day One. Only Sanders, Grayson or Warren
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:02 AM
Jun 2013

would pull me from Howard.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
148. YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! You go Doc!
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jun 2013

Howard Dean has street cred both as a successful multi-term governor and as a highly successful DNC chairman. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
150. prepare to be pilloried by the pragmatists
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jun 2013

The New Dems are already getting ready to Naderize any liberal who has the temerity to run

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
151. Hillary can pick him for VP. That way we don't lose a sitting senator.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jun 2013

Don't understand why people think the senate is unimportant.

Ted Kennedy stayed in the senate for 40 years, and the world was a better place than if Ted up and left in 1980.

Besides, Howard is on good times with both the President and Hillary.

Hey, what happens if Howard and Warren both run who would the folks vote for?
I know who I would if there was that choice. (but it won't happen IMHO).

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
152. Dean left of Clinton = Obama
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jun 2013

WTH left of Clinton, too.

I'm with Dean (unless, in the unlikely event that Warren runs).

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
153. His record shows him to be quite centrist on most issues
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:36 PM
Jun 2013

which is why mass media will twist themselves into corkscrews trying to paint him as an unrealistic leftist. Expect a replay of the "scream."

He's been right about so many things that I'm quite excited about his campaign. I don't want another "first ____" in the White House, they have to tread too carefully. A white male like Dr. Dean can go ahead and stomp on toes if he has to.

His stewardship of the party with its 50 State Initiative was brilliant. I have to think his stewardship of the country would be equally as brilliant.

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