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Wed Jun 26, 2013, 10:58 PM

C.I.A. Report Finds Concerns With Ties to New York Police

Source: New York Times

Four Central Intelligence Agency officers were embedded with the New York Police Department in the decade after Sept. 11, 2001, including one official who helped conduct surveillance operations in the United States, according to a newly disclosed C.I.A. inspector general’s report.

That officer believed there were “no limitations” on his activities, the report said, because he was on an unpaid leave of absence, and thus exempt from the prohibition against domestic spying by members of the C.I.A.

Another embedded C.I.A. analyst — who was on its payroll — said he was given “unfiltered” police reports that included information unrelated to foreign intelligence, the C.I.A. report said.

The once-classified review, completed by the C.I.A. inspector general in December 2011, found that the four agency analysts — more than had previously been known — were assigned at various times to “provide direct assistance” to the local police. The report also raised a series of concerns about the relationship between the two organizations.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/nyregion/cia-sees-concerns-on-ties-to-new-york-police.html



report: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/717864-cia-nypd-ig.html

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Reply C.I.A. Report Finds Concerns With Ties to New York Police (Original post)
alp227 Jun 2013 OP
KG Jun 2013 #1
Historic NY Jun 2013 #2
AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #4
JackRiddler Jun 2013 #6
Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #9
harmonicon Jun 2013 #10
temmer Jun 2013 #11
harmonicon Jun 2013 #12
JackRiddler Jun 2013 #17
harmonicon Jun 2013 #28
closeupready Jun 2013 #18
Historic NY Jun 2013 #21
closeupready Jun 2013 #22
Historic NY Jun 2013 #25
Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #3
premium Jun 2013 #5
Historic NY Jun 2013 #24
JackRiddler Jun 2013 #7
temmer Jun 2013 #8
Jesus Malverde Jun 2013 #23
JackRiddler Jun 2013 #27
geek tragedy Jun 2013 #15
Jesus Malverde Jun 2013 #26
HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #16
Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #13
askeptic Jun 2013 #14
L0oniX Jun 2013 #19
Octafish Jun 2013 #20

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:30 PM

1. NSA isn't the beginning and end of the surveillance state

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:30 PM

2. Really this has been common knowledge if your a Ny'er ..

they were part of the joint terrorist task force.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:55 AM

4. So, "Just move along. It's old news. Nothing to see here."

 

Even if you believe it it "has been common knowledge if your a Ny'er," what special knowledge do you have to represent that it has been common knowledge in NY?

How many millions of NY'ers are there? They all had this common knowledge?

And, even if some did have such knowledge, does this mean that they or Congress consented to the CIA operating outside the limitations of its charter?

What other common knowledge do NY'ers have? Do they have common knowledge that this is happening in other large cities? What amount medium-size cities? Or smaller ones?

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:13 AM

6. Correct. Important that it's being scrutinized.

 

Finally.

David Cohen, originator of the Bin Ladin unit at CIA (Alec Station) according to 9/11 Commission Report and likely CIA station chief in New York prior to 9/11, was the CIA's man steering NYPD policy after 9/11. He was instrumental in overturning the Handschuh Protocols that had put limits on the NYPD's video surveillance of activists.

And obviously this shit with CIA covens within major LEAs has been happening a lot longer than that. One day the full story of their role in LAPD during the Contra-Crack years will be known.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:02 AM

9. Your last sentence....


Spot on!

Many roaches under that rock. I hope someone will lift it one day. Someone that can't be ridiculed out of his job for exposing it, that is.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:11 AM

10. Not just if you were a New Yorker, but if you were anywhere and paying any attention.

This is non-news. What did people think CIA employees were doing while working with police if not "CIA shit"?

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:26 AM

11. so you think what the CIA is doing is okay? nt

 


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Response to temmer (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:22 AM

12. No, but I'm not surprised.

I don't think murder is ok, but if a place employed hit-men on their payroll, I wouldn't be surprised if those hit-men killed some people.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:37 AM

17. It's important not to let knowledge...

 

turn into complacency.

We "knew" about this, like we already know about the surveillance state, but exposure (even from these limited beginnings) is needed.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:32 PM

28. Yes, I knew about both.

I also think people freaking out about this "new" many-years-old revelation about the government tapping into phone and internet traffic is absolute bullshit. It's convenient for the media to jump on it now when there's a black, Democratic president. It's not news, but journalism has so deteriorated that it's become what passes for news.

The exposure has been there. It wasn't being advertised by the media, but the info was out there.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:40 AM

18. Wrong. To the contrary.

 

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Response to closeupready (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:25 PM

21. Lets see where we read this before.......

Securing the City: Inside America’s Best Counterterror Force—The NYPD
By Christopher Dickey. New York: Simon and Schuster, 2009.

Joint Terrorist Task force est. 1980 FBI in NY city
National Joint Terrorist TF est. by FBI Director 2002

Foreign Terrorist TF est. Presidential Directive 2 - 10/2001
Responds to requests received from the Counterterrorism
Division’s operational units, the CIA and the JTTFs to perform
data runs against public,proprietary, and government data
systems. Maintains the Consolidated Terrorist List that combines the
FBI’s Violent Gang and Terrorist list.

912 members before September 11, 2001. As of January 2005,
5,085 federal, state, and local members from law enforcement, intelligence, the military,
and other agencies

The JTTF members can include, but are not limited to:
Federal partners:
Central Intelligence Agency, U.S. Department of Commerce, U.S. Department of Defense: Naval Criminal Investigative Service, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Defense Criminal Investigative Service, U.S. Department of Energy, U.S. Department of Homeland Security: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Transportation Security Administration, U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Department of Justice: U.S. Marshals Service; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; Federal Bureau of Prisons U.S. Department of Treasury: Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration Environmental Protection Agency, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, U.S. Capitol Police, U.S. Park Police

State partners: State police & State highway patrols

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:31 PM

22. Hardly 'common knowledge', as you put it.

 

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Response to closeupready (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:46 PM

25. It is if you been following along.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:51 AM

3. I thought the CIA wasn't supposed to operate in the United States?

 

My goodness, we've got two creepy Big Brother organizations in bed with each other here. Both of them are way too big for their britches. We should do something about that. And the rest of that alphabet soup of spookery.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:07 AM

5. They aren't supposed to operate inside U.S. borders,

 

the Congress expressly forbids it and passed a law just for that purpose.
Just more evidence that our intelligence are a govt. unto themselves and need a severe reining in.

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Response to premium (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:41 PM

24. In the transitional days prior to and after 9/11

The National Counterterrorism Center was being setup in response to terrorist activites. The CIA was tasked with forming it initially until its own independant leadership could be established...in keeping with the law CIA employees or analysts filled in on the key roles of the fledgling agency.The National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) is no longer in the CIA proper, (because of the 1947 law) but is in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). NCTC, however, contains personnel from the CIA, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of the Department of Justice, and other members of the IC. A counterterrorism center did exist in the CIA before the NCTC was established.


http://www.nctc.gov/

http://www.nctc.gov/docs/eo13354.pdf


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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:19 AM

7. Good luck. That's never been the case.

 

The CIA by definition was created to break laws. "Covert operation" is a synonym for a form of organized crime, or warfare by other means. You really believe such an agency would accept the supposed limits on domestic action? From day one they have murdered, corrupted, worked with mafias, dealt drugs, armed thugs and overthrown democracies around the world. You really think such "unsavory characters" (who always give justifications why they must deal with "unsavory characters" abroad) would flinch at screwing with American democracy? You really think the agency that ran MK-ULTRA is under effective oversight? Why, because some shit came out in the 1970s, you believe they reformed? Who was prosecuted? Who went to prison for all those crimes? Who was taught that crime doesn't pay? None of these criminals. They ran 400 major US journalists as assets and agents into the 1970s, you think they'd stop just because it was exposed? This stuff was happening with the CHAOS operation - "sheep dipping." Infiltrate the Vietnam-era antiwar movement by first recruiting American students abroad, where it's "allowed."

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:57 AM

8. thank you - uncomfortable truths have to be spoken out

 


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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:34 PM

23. Experts at subverting political systems

But never ones to use those tools at home....

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:56 PM

27. They say this all the time, so it must be true.

 

They constantly assure us that they only tell lies, break laws and commit mayhem on the other 6.8 billion inhabitants of Earth, not in the US!

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:53 AM

15. They're not supposed to spy on US citizens' domestic activities.

 

Obviously, if someone from AQAP calls someone in Kansas, there's a good chance they'll listen in on the call if they get a chance.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:53 PM

26. It's not the "current calls" they listen in on...

They have all the past calls, transcribed, indexed and stored.

When "someone from AQAP calls someone in Kansas" an analyst pulls that data and reviews it, and then all other calls to the Kansas number. Then they look at all calls that numbers that called the Kansas number called. Then they match that their bank, health and other records creating a three dimensional picture of the targets digital life.

The notion that that there is some quaint analyst at a switchboard listening in "by chance" goes against all that is known about the technology used by the NSA going back to the 1980's.

Where people get confused, are the standards people use for legal wiretaps used for courts and those used by the surveillance state. The latter by their nature are classified and not used in court.

The rules as implemented by the FBI and NSA are different. What we know is NSA intercepts are only made available to courts after being managed by the FBI. How the NSA implements the non court intercepts is largely out of any oversight.

The NSA follows Rumsfeld's philosophy about "known unknowns" they address that by knowing all.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:56 AM

16. Laws and the Constitution are so 20th Century. - nt

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:14 AM

13. Phil Agee wrote "Inside the Company: CIA Diary"

 

back in 1975, after he got out of the CIA, disillusioned.

Here's a 2-part interview, if you'd like to hear about similar crap, different decade:

http://archive.org/details/AV_540_541-THE_COMPANY_AND_THE_COUNTRY-_A_CONVERSATION_WITH_PHIL_AGEE

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:46 AM

14. This is how the CIA and others follow the law without actually following it

They skirt the laws by every means possible. They remain in technical compliance, while the spirit of the law is violated...

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Response to askeptic (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:27 AM

19. Law and Democracy is an illusion here in the USA.

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:39 AM

20. CIA 'worked' with lots of cop shops, such as Los Angeles PD when RFK was assassinated.

Small world.



The Assassination of Robert Kennedy

BY JESSE VENTURA WITH DICK RUSSELL
TruTV.com

The LAPD, a CIA Lapdog

According to the LAPD logs, the cops were looking for two suspects besides Sirhan within minutes of the assassination. Then they stopped searching within the hour, because "they only have one man and don't want them to get anything started on a big conspiracy. This could be somebody that was getting out of the way so they wouldn't get shot." Huh? That makes no sense at all for an honest investigator to reason.

The fact is, the LAPD had a long history of a "special relationship" with the CIA, from helping out with clandestine activities to training certain officers for double duty. When they formed Special Unit Senator (SUS) to look into the assassination, the two main cops through which all information flowed both had ties to the CIA. "In retrospect it seems odd that… policemen who doubled as CIA agents occupied key positions in SUS, where they were able to seal off avenues that led in the direction of conspiracy."13 They also badgered any witness who didn't support the Sirhan-did-it-alone scenario.

Manuel Pena, a multilingual fellow who'd done special ops for the CIA, saw all the SUS reports and was the man responsible for approving all interviews. His partner, Sergeant Enrique "Hank" Hernandez, handled all the polygraph work, which he'd also done in Vietnam, South America and Europe. Both Pena and Hernandez had been undercover CIA with the Agency for International Development (AID). Later, Hernandez started his own security firm and got rich handling big government contracts.

As soon as Sirhan's trial ended, the LAPD got busy destroying evidence, including the ceiling panels and door frames from the pantry that they'd taken pictures of showing extra bullet holes. Their rationale, when asked later, was that these were "too large to fit into a card file"! Once again, we've got the authorities destroying evidence at a crime scene, just like with the King case. They also burned some 2,400 photographs, supposedly all duplicates, but we know some important ones are still missing—like the pictures taken by a 15-year-old kid named Scott Enyart. He was standing on a table so he could get a good view of Kennedy as he came in and took three rolls of Kodak film that the cops confiscated afterwards and said he could get back—if he came around in twenty years! Enyart had to fight in court to eventually be returned only 18 prints (no negatives), which were then promptly stolen out of the back seat of a car.

CONTINUED...

http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/assassinations/rfk/lapd-cia-lapdog.html



Without the tee vee, who'd ever know history repeats?

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