C.I.A. Report Finds Concerns With Ties to New York Police
Source: New York Times
Four Central Intelligence Agency officers were embedded with the New York Police Department in the decade after Sept. 11, 2001, including one official who helped conduct surveillance operations in the United States, according to a newly disclosed C.I.A. inspector general’s report.
That officer believed there were “no limitations” on his activities, the report said, because he was on an unpaid leave of absence, and thus exempt from the prohibition against domestic spying by members of the C.I.A.
Another embedded C.I.A. analyst — who was on its payroll — said he was given “unfiltered” police reports that included information unrelated to foreign intelligence, the C.I.A. report said.
The once-classified review, completed by the C.I.A. inspector general in December 2011, found that the four agency analysts — more than had previously been known — were assigned at various times to “provide direct assistance” to the local police. The report also raised a series of concerns about the relationship between the two organizations.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/nyregion/cia-sees-concerns-on-ties-to-new-york-police.html
report: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/717864-cia-nypd-ig.html
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KG
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Historic NY
(37,449 posts)they were part of the joint terrorist task force.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Even if you believe it it "has been common knowledge if your a Ny'er," what special knowledge do you have to represent that it has been common knowledge in NY?
How many millions of NY'ers are there? They all had this common knowledge?
And, even if some did have such knowledge, does this mean that they or Congress consented to the CIA operating outside the limitations of its charter?
What other common knowledge do NY'ers have? Do they have common knowledge that this is happening in other large cities? What amount medium-size cities? Or smaller ones?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Finally.
David Cohen, originator of the Bin Ladin unit at CIA (Alec Station) according to 9/11 Commission Report and likely CIA station chief in New York prior to 9/11, was the CIA's man steering NYPD policy after 9/11. He was instrumental in overturning the Handschuh Protocols that had put limits on the NYPD's video surveillance of activists.
And obviously this shit with CIA covens within major LEAs has been happening a lot longer than that. One day the full story of their role in LAPD during the Contra-Crack years will be known.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Spot on!
Many roaches under that rock. I hope someone will lift it one day. Someone that can't be ridiculed out of his job for exposing it, that is.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)This is non-news. What did people think CIA employees were doing while working with police if not "CIA shit"?
temmer
(358 posts)harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I don't think murder is ok, but if a place employed hit-men on their payroll, I wouldn't be surprised if those hit-men killed some people.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)turn into complacency.
We "knew" about this, like we already know about the surveillance state, but exposure (even from these limited beginnings) is needed.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I also think people freaking out about this "new" many-years-old revelation about the government tapping into phone and internet traffic is absolute bullshit. It's convenient for the media to jump on it now when there's a black, Democratic president. It's not news, but journalism has so deteriorated that it's become what passes for news.
The exposure has been there. It wasn't being advertised by the media, but the info was out there.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Securing the City: Inside America’s Best Counterterror Force—The NYPD
By Christopher Dickey. New York: Simon and Schuster, 2009.
Joint Terrorist Task force est. 1980 FBI in NY city
National Joint Terrorist TF est. by FBI Director 2002
Foreign Terrorist TF est. Presidential Directive 2 - 10/2001
Responds to requests received from the Counterterrorism
Division’s operational units, the CIA and the JTTFs to perform
data runs against public,proprietary, and government data
systems. Maintains the Consolidated Terrorist List that combines the
FBI’s Violent Gang and Terrorist list.
912 members before September 11, 2001. As of January 2005,
5,085 federal, state, and local members from law enforcement, intelligence, the military,
and other agencies
The JTTF members can include, but are not limited to:
Federal partners:
Central Intelligence Agency, U.S. Department of Commerce, U.S. Department of Defense: Naval Criminal Investigative Service, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Defense Criminal Investigative Service, U.S. Department of Energy, U.S. Department of Homeland Security: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Transportation Security Administration, U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Department of Justice: U.S. Marshals Service; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; Federal Bureau of Prisons U.S. Department of Treasury: Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration Environmental Protection Agency, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, U.S. Capitol Police, U.S. Park Police
State partners: State police & State highway patrols
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)My goodness, we've got two creepy Big Brother organizations in bed with each other here. Both of them are way too big for their britches. We should do something about that. And the rest of that alphabet soup of spookery.
premium
(3,731 posts)the Congress expressly forbids it and passed a law just for that purpose.
Just more evidence that our intelligence are a govt. unto themselves and need a severe reining in.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)The National Counterterrorism Center was being setup in response to terrorist activites. The CIA was tasked with forming it initially until its own independant leadership could be established...in keeping with the law CIA employees or analysts filled in on the key roles of the fledgling agency.The National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) is no longer in the CIA proper, (because of the 1947 law) but is in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). NCTC, however, contains personnel from the CIA, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of the Department of Justice, and other members of the IC. A counterterrorism center did exist in the CIA before the NCTC was established.
http://www.nctc.gov/
http://www.nctc.gov/docs/eo13354.pdf
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)The CIA by definition was created to break laws. "Covert operation" is a synonym for a form of organized crime, or warfare by other means. You really believe such an agency would accept the supposed limits on domestic action? From day one they have murdered, corrupted, worked with mafias, dealt drugs, armed thugs and overthrown democracies around the world. You really think such "unsavory characters" (who always give justifications why they must deal with "unsavory characters" abroad) would flinch at screwing with American democracy? You really think the agency that ran MK-ULTRA is under effective oversight? Why, because some shit came out in the 1970s, you believe they reformed? Who was prosecuted? Who went to prison for all those crimes? Who was taught that crime doesn't pay? None of these criminals. They ran 400 major US journalists as assets and agents into the 1970s, you think they'd stop just because it was exposed? This stuff was happening with the CHAOS operation - "sheep dipping." Infiltrate the Vietnam-era antiwar movement by first recruiting American students abroad, where it's "allowed."
temmer
(358 posts)
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)But never ones to use those tools at home....
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)They constantly assure us that they only tell lies, break laws and commit mayhem on the other 6.8 billion inhabitants of Earth, not in the US!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Obviously, if someone from AQAP calls someone in Kansas, there's a good chance they'll listen in on the call if they get a chance.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)They have all the past calls, transcribed, indexed and stored.
When "someone from AQAP calls someone in Kansas" an analyst pulls that data and reviews it, and then all other calls to the Kansas number. Then they look at all calls that numbers that called the Kansas number called. Then they match that their bank, health and other records creating a three dimensional picture of the targets digital life.
The notion that that there is some quaint analyst at a switchboard listening in "by chance" goes against all that is known about the technology used by the NSA going back to the 1980's.
Where people get confused, are the standards people use for legal wiretaps used for courts and those used by the surveillance state. The latter by their nature are classified and not used in court.
The rules as implemented by the FBI and NSA are different. What we know is NSA intercepts are only made available to courts after being managed by the FBI. How the NSA implements the non court intercepts is largely out of any oversight.
The NSA follows Rumsfeld's philosophy about "known unknowns" they address that by knowing all.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Lugal Zaggesi
(366 posts)back in 1975, after he got out of the CIA, disillusioned.
Here's a 2-part interview, if you'd like to hear about similar crap, different decade:
http://archive.org/details/AV_540_541-THE_COMPANY_AND_THE_COUNTRY-_A_CONVERSATION_WITH_PHIL_AGEE
askeptic
(478 posts)They skirt the laws by every means possible. They remain in technical compliance, while the spirit of the law is violated...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Small world.
The Assassination of Robert Kennedy
BY JESSE VENTURA WITH DICK RUSSELL
TruTV.com
The LAPD, a CIA Lapdog
According to the LAPD logs, the cops were looking for two suspects besides Sirhan within minutes of the assassination. Then they stopped searching within the hour, because "they only have one man and don't want them to get anything started on a big conspiracy. This could be somebody that was getting out of the way so they wouldn't get shot." Huh? That makes no sense at all for an honest investigator to reason.
The fact is, the LAPD had a long history of a "special relationship" with the CIA, from helping out with clandestine activities to training certain officers for double duty. When they formed Special Unit Senator (SUS) to look into the assassination, the two main cops through which all information flowed both had ties to the CIA. "In retrospect it seems odd that… policemen who doubled as CIA agents occupied key positions in SUS, where they were able to seal off avenues that led in the direction of conspiracy."13 They also badgered any witness who didn't support the Sirhan-did-it-alone scenario.
Manuel Pena, a multilingual fellow who'd done special ops for the CIA, saw all the SUS reports and was the man responsible for approving all interviews. His partner, Sergeant Enrique "Hank" Hernandez, handled all the polygraph work, which he'd also done in Vietnam, South America and Europe. Both Pena and Hernandez had been undercover CIA with the Agency for International Development (AID). Later, Hernandez started his own security firm and got rich handling big government contracts.
As soon as Sirhan's trial ended, the LAPD got busy destroying evidence, including the ceiling panels and door frames from the pantry that they'd taken pictures of showing extra bullet holes. Their rationale, when asked later, was that these were "too large to fit into a card file"! Once again, we've got the authorities destroying evidence at a crime scene, just like with the King case. They also burned some 2,400 photographs, supposedly all duplicates, but we know some important ones are still missing—like the pictures taken by a 15-year-old kid named Scott Enyart. He was standing on a table so he could get a good view of Kennedy as he came in and took three rolls of Kodak film that the cops confiscated afterwards and said he could get back—if he came around in twenty years! Enyart had to fight in court to eventually be returned only 18 prints (no negatives), which were then promptly stolen out of the back seat of a car.
CONTINUED...
http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/assassinations/rfk/lapd-cia-lapdog.html
Without the tee vee, who'd ever know history repeats?
