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Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:56 PM Jun 2013

Assault rifle goes off, Ore. child killed

Source: Associated Press

Assault rifle goes off, Ore. child killed
| June 28, 2013 | Updated: June 28, 2013 3:35pm

GRANTS PASS, Ore. (AP) — A 5-year-old girl has been killed and a woman wounded in Grants Pass after an assault rifle went off and shot them in an upstairs room of an apartment, police said.

A 30-year-old transient who was visiting the apartment was to be arraigned Friday on charges of manslaughter, assault and illegal possession of a machine gun, Chief Deputy District Attorney Lisa Turner said. The manslaughter charge alleges the killing was reckless, not intentional.

Police said Jon Andrew Meyer Jr. was arrested Thursday night without incident at the scene.

Turner said she could not divulge the make and model of the rifle, who owned it, or whether it was manufactured as a fully automatic weapon or modified later.

Police said Meyer was in a downstairs room of the apartment when the rifle went off there, and the girl and the woman were upstairs in the same apartment. The woman was not related to the girl, whose mother was also in the apartment, but not shot, Turner said.

A neighbor, Chris Mehl, told The Grants Pass Daily Courier (http://bit.ly/11Sry9a ) that he heard a gunshot, then a rapid firing.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Assault-rifle-goes-off-Ore-child-killed-4634613.php

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Assault rifle goes off, Ore. child killed (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2013 OP
Gun folks will be more upset that the term "assault rifle" was used than that child was killed CreekDog Jun 2013 #1
This one may have been an assault rifle... ileus Jun 2013 #22
Illegal possession of a machine-gun would be a good indicator. ManiacJoe Jun 2013 #31
yup samsingh Jun 2013 #28
the two replies immediately below your post prove your point. Scuba Jun 2013 #32
"Went off." Brickbat Jun 2013 #2
That was my first thought! Suich Jun 2013 #3
Bad rifle, bad!! Stand in the corner! Shrike47 Jun 2013 #6
Yep. Because an idiot pulled the trigger Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #10
Yep, from the moment the gun was manufactured and sold. Hoyt Jun 2013 #26
Almost as bas as reading "a car rolled downhill LanternWaste Jun 2013 #14
It deflects accountability away from the slmieball who shot it off. Pterodactyl Jun 2013 #21
Gold medal for use of passive voice in headline WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #4
I think it could be called intentional adieu Jun 2013 #5
Oh how sad how very sad. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #7
I thought guns didn't kill people? KamaAina Jun 2013 #8
My first thought exactly! Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #12
The article makes it sound like the gun should be charged marshall Jun 2013 #33
duh, that's what guns are for, killing people nt msongs Jun 2013 #9
Another "responsible" gun owner being unfairly targeted cosmicone Jun 2013 #11
SO VA_Jill Jun 2013 #13
people use guns to kill people samsingh Jun 2013 #29
A 30-year-old transient plantwomyn Jun 2013 #15
Rather confusing story so far. The woman shot was not the mother, but another one. Picture and more: freshwest Jun 2013 #16
I thought guns didn't kill people. B Stieg Jun 2013 #17
Confusing mix of story and charges, who filed down the firing sear??? happyslug Jun 2013 #18
SKS's are also known for slam fires when the action gets worn/dirty. ileus Jun 2013 #23
How do we stop this scourge of guns going off all by themselves? Demit Jun 2013 #19
No one to prosecute. Must be an act of gawd. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #24
55,544 non-fatal gun injuries in 2011 Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #20
Lawn dart makers didn't have enough time to buy enough politicians Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #25
agreed samsingh Jun 2013 #30
That little girl obviously paid little or no attention in kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #27
Damn. More money gushing into NRA HQ this week Doctor_J Jun 2013 #34

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
1. Gun folks will be more upset that the term "assault rifle" was used than that child was killed
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jun 2013

arriving in one...two...


ileus

(15,396 posts)
22. This one may have been an assault rifle...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:18 PM
Jun 2013

It's yet to be determined...

NFA or not that is the question...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Almost as bas as reading "a car rolled downhill
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:44 PM
Jun 2013

Almost as bas as reading "a car rolled downhill" in a vehicular involuntary manslaughter case.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
5. I think it could be called intentional
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jun 2013

One shot might be reckless or accidental. But one shot, then rapid firing is beyond reckless, especially indoors into the second floor.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
33. The article makes it sound like the gun should be charged
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:24 AM
Jun 2013

More than once there was a chance to say the man used the gun to kill, but the article never quite makes that connection. It is very strange writing.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
11. Another "responsible" gun owner being unfairly targeted
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jun 2013

while championing the second amendment which is more important than thousands of innocent lives.

plantwomyn

(876 posts)
15. A 30-year-old transient
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:09 PM
Jun 2013

traveling with an assault weapon? Or was the weapon just laying around the apartment for everyone to play with? WHEN will we do something about these freaking things laying around everywhere?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. Rather confusing story so far. The woman shot was not the mother, but another one. Picture and more:
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:27 PM
Jun 2013


Chris Mehl from the link above:

When he left his house, he said, he saw the girl on the sidewalk. It appeared she'd been struck in the head, and he tried to stop the blood, he said.

There was no immediate explanation for how the girl got from the apartment to the sidewalk.

Guess we'll never know what happened, other than the most obvious facts. A girl is dead who was 'not in the wrong place at the wrong time, but in the right place at the right time.'

Just with the wrong people and there was nothing she could do about it since she was a child. RIP, little girl.


B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
17. I thought guns didn't kill people.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jun 2013

But then this "assault rifle went off and shot them."

I'm sorry, but I continue to believe that these weapons are simply too dangerous to be owned by ANY civilian.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
18. Confusing mix of story and charges, who filed down the firing sear???
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jun 2013

One way to make an "Automatic" weapon is to file down the trigger sear on a Semi-automatic. The Sear is designed to prevent a double pull of the trigger (the second "Pull" is due to the shooter's reaction to the recoil of the weapon). With that sear filed down, the weapon turns "Automatic" but it is impossible to STOP the weapon till it runs out of ammunition. It is an illegal AND worse unsafe way to make an automatic weapon by filing down the sear.

I mention the above, for he is charged with having an Automatic Weapon, then the make model and type data is withheld. I suspect a SKS with its trigger sear filed off, The SKS is a semi-automatic only weapon, with one of the worse safety ever put on a rifle. I can see this guy loading the SKS and it went off, firing all all of the rounds for the sear had been filed down. When Police investigated they examined the weapon and found the trigger seared filed off and brought the charges they did.

The SKS was NOT banned under the Assault Weapon ban (unless it had a bayonet) for it did not come with a detachable magazine (you can buy after market detachable magazines for it), nor a folding stock (but you can buy such folding stocks after market), nor a pistol grip (the after market stocks often come with pistol grips). Bayonets are harder to find, for the SKS was designed when the Soviet Union had adopted a policy of bayonets always on the Rifle. For Importation into the US, those Bayonet were removed and scraped (They were Aluminium so had some value). The Bayonet can only be used on the SKS thus has little after market value for most buyers, who just want to shoot it, not use it in actual combat.

Just a comment what I think is the "Automatic" Weapon involved and if it was a SKS with its Trigger sear file down, you did not have one round but anywhere from 10-50 rounds being fired till the weapon jammed OR it ran out of ammunition.

 

Lugal Zaggesi

(366 posts)
20. 55,544 non-fatal gun injuries in 2011
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jun 2013

and ~11,000 gun homicides.

http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/

Meh - that's just the price we pay for a bunch of 18th century guys - with no sense of how much "arms" technology would improve in three centuries - writing a rock-solid Constitution that can't be changed, ever. Can't be helped.
Oh well.

On a brighter note, one modern-day Hero has saved us from lawn darts - a Scourge that might otherwise have killed dozens of our Citizens and injured hundreds every year:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/31176/how-one-dad-got-lawn-darts-banned

Thank God 18th century short-sightedness hasn't condemned our country to enduring the Danger of Lawn Darts:

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Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
25. Lawn dart makers didn't have enough time to buy enough politicians
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jun 2013

before people started taking exception to their usefulness. They had no one to rile up the easily confused to rage against the do-gooders who might want to ban these things.

How sad for the victims the clown who started producing these things couldn't think of any non-lethal yard games, instead.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
27. That little girl obviously paid little or no attention in
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 12:52 AM
Jun 2013

gun safety class.

And that gun needs a spanking.

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