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savalez

(3,517 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:37 PM Jun 2013

GOP Leaders Warn Pro Sports Leagues Not To Promote Obamacare

Source: TPM

Senate Republican leaders have sent letters warning six professional sports leagues not to provide the Obama administration any assistance in promoting Obamacare.

The letters, dated June 27, warn the chiefs of the National Football League, Major League Baseball, National Basketball Association, National Hockey League, Professional Golf Association and NASCAR that partnering with the administration to publicize the benefits of the health care law would damage their reputations.

The letters come days after Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said she’s spoken with the NFL about potentially partnering to let people know the benefits of the Affordable Care Act ahead of the implementation of its major components. (She said there was no deal yet.) The Republican senators rattled off a slew of conservative arguments against the law, stressing polls that signal its unpopularity with the public.

(snip)

Democratic aides point out that it’s nothing new for political leaders to partner with private organizations on behalf of their constituents, citing as one example the 2007 partnership between Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick and the Boston Red Sox to promote Romneycare. McConnell and Cornyn argued in their letters that there were “key differences” between the two laws, observing that one was bipartisan and the other passed on a partisan vote.

Read more: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/mcconnell-cornyn-letter-sports-leagues-obamacare.php



The GOP is pathetic.
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GOP Leaders Warn Pro Sports Leagues Not To Promote Obamacare (Original Post) savalez Jun 2013 OP
Save pre-existing conditions! ck4829 Jun 2013 #1
Pre-existing conditions and information about shopping for insurance and examples of how DhhD Jun 2013 #62
WTF is this all about??? D*mn I hate these publicans a kennedy Jun 2013 #2
I second that WTF! Screw them. They are screwing us! They have no right to ask anyone to deny The Wielding Truth Jun 2013 #38
It's because the Repukes know PPACA is going to be very popular tridim Jul 2013 #70
Advertise this 24/7 SCVDem Jun 2013 #3
Beyond pathetic. TroglodyteScholar Jun 2013 #4
Treasonous! Catch2.2 Jun 2013 #48
Another fake controversy like the "war on Christmas" eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #5
...and here I thought blackmail was a crime askeptic Jun 2013 #6
+1 sakabatou Jun 2013 #15
And isn't there this part of the constitution thucythucy Jun 2013 #18
Aren't Corporations Capt13 Jun 2013 #61
This sure sounds like extortion to me! Demoiselle Jun 2013 #46
There is no end to their scumbagness ramapo Jun 2013 #7
Who the hell do they think they are? avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #8
I think that answer, whether they think it or not, is a resounding yes. abq e streeter Jun 2013 #40
Warned them? What the fuck would the consequences be? Beaverhausen Jun 2013 #9
Here's what they say: savalez Jun 2013 #14
McConnell and Coryn are forgetting one thing: Brigid Jun 2013 #31
“Given the divisiveness and persistent unpopularity of this bill." Botany Jun 2013 #32
:) BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #37
Or what? They'll repeal their antitrust exemption? Ken Burch Jun 2013 #10
or john Mccain will stomp his foot and cry. rurallib Jun 2013 #17
No, that's Boehner's job. Brigid Jun 2013 #29
I got kids in Minneapolis - boy do I hear that from them rurallib Jun 2013 #33
It's not "promoting." It's providing info about the LAW Faygo Kid Jun 2013 #11
Should the NFL be asked to promote individual State voter ID laws? forthemiddle Jun 2013 #21
It's not promoting; it's educating. savalez Jun 2013 #24
Pro sports leagues like the NFL, NHL and the rest will often do spots to promote rpannier Jun 2013 #50
It would actually be weird for pro sports to do anything at all progressive like selling the ACA... Ken Burch Jun 2013 #12
Laughable danbeee46 Jun 2013 #13
Money talks... smccarter Jun 2013 #16
Good for you. If they respond, let us know! freshwest Jul 2013 #80
But Promoting Smoking Was So Fucking Cool.... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #19
Weren't Chesterfields the foulest cigarettes on the market? jmowreader Jun 2013 #56
They will eventually promote Iliyah Jun 2013 #20
Is there a pill for the cure kitt6 Jun 2013 #22
So what about all that Free Speech shit? SoapBox Jun 2013 #23
Ommm, someone needs to point out that students are required to have health insurance to play sports okaawhatever Jun 2013 #25
Surprise surprise sheshe2 Jun 2013 #26
Intimidation and blackmail. truthisfreedom Jun 2013 #27
Or what? The House will investigate steroid use in sports? Oops. They already did that. McCamy Taylor Jun 2013 #28
Repug letter Botany Jun 2013 #30
Gays,Guns,God and Xenophobia. Republican political platform. Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #35
Don't forget "America is a shithole". tridim Jul 2013 #71
Republicans love America, but hate Americans. Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #72
Mitch McChinless and Man-on-Box-Turtle Cornyn need to fuck themselves. Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #34
pukes. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #36
So they are using their offices and EC Jun 2013 #39
hopefully someone at the NFL still has some intact brains left PatrynXX Jun 2013 #41
Warning them? City Lights Jun 2013 #42
Remember when ESPN hired Rush Limbaugh.... Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #43
The best line I ever heard from a candidate about himself: Jack Rabbit Jun 2013 #52
This will be a conundrum for the sports leagues. Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #53
Why don't John2 Jun 2013 #59
There Is A Law Against Making Terroristic Threats DallasNE Jun 2013 #44
Seriously? WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2013 #45
So how do the Republicans expect to pressure major sports franchises? Jack Rabbit Jun 2013 #47
Spot on JR. Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #49
Heads up, johnny rightwing, players are most likely democrats. toby jo Jun 2013 #51
What would Jack Webb say about this? ThoughtCriminal Jun 2013 #54
GOP knows lots of apathetic and low-information voters are sports fans Populist_Prole Jun 2013 #55
You forget, John2 Jun 2013 #60
NFL players offer expert advice ... quadrature Jun 2013 #57
Stereotypical much? DeSwiss Jun 2013 #58
Got a link? Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #64
Aaron recommends the Glock plan.. link. quadrature Jun 2013 #65
Thats impressive you came up with one whole athelete, who happens to advocate by murder. Kinda like Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #66
Ray Lewis, Rae Carreuth, OJ Simpson Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #68
GOP Leaders Warn Pro Sports Leagues Not To Promote Obamacare The CCC Jun 2013 #63
Too late for Major League Baseball - at least among their players ehrnst Jun 2013 #67
The only reputation being damaged here is bucolic_frolic Jul 2013 #69
Good. I love weed Jul 2013 #73
Except in the mind of a cry baby republican, savalez Jul 2013 #74
It's a hot button political issue. I love weed Jul 2013 #75
The majority of people savalez Jul 2013 #76
So what if it's the law? I love weed Jul 2013 #78
What's this "we" shit? tabasco Jul 2013 #77
I'm sorry. I love weed Jul 2013 #79

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
62. Pre-existing conditions and information about shopping for insurance and examples of how
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:00 AM
Jun 2013

insurance under the ACA will be paid for should be advertised very soon. I would like to see ads on TV that tell the public that they can begin shopping for insurance on October 1, 2013. This would mean that the insurance companies would have to set rates lower to be competitive NOW.

The GOP is trying to stall that competitiveness by this move on the sports world in America as people are buying and getting ready for the upcoming season now. Football camps begin in July, that is now.

I hope the Obama Administration starts to advertise information about the benefits, shopping and cost of health care under the ACA. Income tax can be paid for 2013 beginning in October. I beleive then that the IRS must be ready to advertise how the ACA will be paid for, though income tax preparation now; July is about 90 days before October 1. I am hoping to see information about the ACA right away, the sooner the better in my opinion.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
38. I second that WTF! Screw them. They are screwing us! They have no right to ask anyone to deny
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jun 2013

their cooperation to any improvement to our insane for profit health care system! WTF! I hate their Nazi gall!

tridim

(45,358 posts)
70. It's because the Repukes know PPACA is going to be very popular
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jul 2013

And they just can't have that.

Got my first refund check last week, and I bet lots of Republican voters are getting their refund checks too.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
3. Advertise this 24/7
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:50 PM
Jun 2013

Let the country see how pathetic the GOP really is.

They want to dominate the air with their disinformation.

Screw them. The ACA May be the only care many ex players get.

askeptic

(478 posts)
6. ...and here I thought blackmail was a crime
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe the veiled warning about the NFL's "reputation" is also extortion

thucythucy

(8,045 posts)
18. And isn't there this part of the constitution
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:09 PM
Jun 2013

that says Congress isn't supposed to try to interfere with the right of citizens to speak their minds?

I guess that doesn't apply if the citizens are on pro-sports teams, and what they have to say isn't what certain particular members of Congress want to hear.

ramapo

(4,588 posts)
7. There is no end to their scumbagness
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jun 2013

These republicans are so awful that only made up words can describe them.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
14. Here's what they say:
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jun 2013
“Given the divisiveness and persistent unpopularity of this bill, it is difficult to understand why an organization like yours would risk damaging its inclusive and apolitical brand by lending its name to its promotion,” wrote Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX).


No matter that they, the GOP themselves, are the ones responsible for the divisiveness and disinformation.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
31. McConnell and Coryn are forgetting one thing:
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jun 2013

ACA is a LAW, not a bill.Though I know that fact just chaps their asses.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
32. “Given the divisiveness and persistent unpopularity of this bill."
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:59 AM
Jun 2013


R you shitting me Mitch? We just had a test on the popularity of the ACA.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
10. Or what? They'll repeal their antitrust exemption?
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jun 2013

(Well, it WOULD be funny if the 'pugs got confused and actually DID that).

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
29. No, that's Boehner's job.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:48 AM
Jun 2013


BTW, professional sports organizations *should* lose their anti-trust exemptions. And taxpayers should not be paying for those fancy stadiums, either.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
33. I got kids in Minneapolis - boy do I hear that from them
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:47 AM
Jun 2013

why should taxpayers build a workplace for anyone?

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
11. It's not "promoting." It's providing info about the LAW
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:29 PM
Jun 2013

They are blinded with insane hatred. This isn't a bill anymore; it's the LAW, and people need info about it.

The GOP is out of control, and has been for a very long time. This is ridiculous.

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
21. Should the NFL be asked to promote individual State voter ID laws?
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:20 PM
Jun 2013

Now that many States (with Republican control), are passing voter ID laws, should we be asking the State teams to promote them? Or do we only want the NFL to help educate about laws we agree with?

Keep sports (as organizations like the NFL, not individual players) out of the political landscape.

If they can get individual players to run PSA's on their own, that is their own decision, but I would not like the NFL to do it as an organization, or you open a whole new can of worms.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
24. It's not promoting; it's educating.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jun 2013

The ACA is the law of the land. That isn't going to change. There is no promoting involved. It's all about educating now.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
50. Pro sports leagues like the NFL, NHL and the rest will often do spots to promote
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jun 2013

things federal
They almost never do public service announcements for state level issues

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
12. It would actually be weird for pro sports to do anything at all progressive like selling the ACA...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:29 PM
Jun 2013

...given that, in most large cities, the extortionate demands team owners have made for massively expensive taxpayer subsidized stadiums and other facilities have helped force massive cuts in municipal services(including health benefits for municipal employees)and such charming outcomes as the closure of hundreds of public schools due to the budgetary shortfalls caused by municipal giveaways to Big Ball and Big Puck(outcomes the athletic-industrial complex tries to take our minds off of by running "public service" ads during games that show some jock reading to school kids, as if that makes up for all the rest of it).

smccarter

(145 posts)
16. Money talks...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jun 2013

I don't spend money with any company that doesn't support the current healthcare reform act.

No Olive Garden... no Red Lobster... no Papa Johns.. and definitely NO PRO SPORT THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT THE HEALTHCARE FORM ACT.

Sent an email to the SPHL - Southern Professional Hockey League... that as a long time - very long time - season ticket holder, I would NOT renew my season tickets if they didn't support this act.

What the hell? Just raise your rates - prices - etc... and let the market adjust.

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Doesn't anybody in this fucking .. FUCKING .. country give a SHIT about anybody?

GODDDDDDAMMMMMIIIIITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
56. Weren't Chesterfields the foulest cigarettes on the market?
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 02:22 AM
Jun 2013

Not just the connection to the antichrist there, but I remember them smelling really bad.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
20. They will eventually promote
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:15 PM
Jun 2013

but they have to kiss ass with their masters first which is not the GOP party but the masters who control them are the corporations.

No surprise that even the NFL don't give a shit about the health of the American public y'know the ones who buy tickets.

 

kitt6

(516 posts)
22. Is there a pill for the cure
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:21 PM
Jun 2013

of hubris? No. No different from any other bottom line nut. Families just had more money.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
25. Ommm, someone needs to point out that students are required to have health insurance to play sports
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:07 AM
Jun 2013

in junior and senior high. Due to so many not being covered, schools have had to purchase group policies that cover them for injuries during the sports only. Students in some school districts just pay a flat fee when they sign up for the sport. If a students parent can't afford the fee, sports is out of the picture for them. The NFL and other sports orgs should have a vested interest in promoting it as it allows all students to play sports.
They have an out to use against the republicans. They can use that reason to promote it.

We need a letter writing campaign to NFL, NBA, Hockey, NASCAR and other orgs. Shame on McConnell and company.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
26. Surprise surprise
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:08 AM
Jun 2013

the repubs are not only taking away freedom of speech, but freedom of choice from the Pro Sports Leagues.

They are threatening them to STFU!

Seriously! They have lost their everloving minds!

Botany

(70,490 posts)
30. Repug letter
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jun 2013

Dear Business,

Do not take part in a program that will save you money, help the well
being of your employees, and reduce the nation's health care expenses
because if you do it will help the President and we don't want that to
happen.

signed,
republican assholes

**************

BTW how can anybody ever vote republican?

tridim

(45,358 posts)
71. Don't forget "America is a shithole".
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:19 AM
Jul 2013

They never say it directly, but it's heavily implied in almost everything R's say.

Apparently America became a shithole as soon as Obama won and began fixing the Republican destruction left by BushCo.

EC

(12,287 posts)
39. So they are using their offices and
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jun 2013

political might to threaten Private business owners? I wonder who else they've threatened? This warrants investigation.

And they can site all the polls they want...more than half of those against Obamacare are against it for not going far enough. But I'd bet they approve of how much further it is than it was, or what the repubs offer (nothing).

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
41. hopefully someone at the NFL still has some intact brains left
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jun 2013

ie most polls don't want AFA killed, but tweaked. But usually sports don't usually turn into political games.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
43. Remember when ESPN hired Rush Limbaugh....
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jun 2013

That was very short lived as I recall. I wonder how the players are going to respond to this, hope they get the news, it is a very diverse group and many come very meager backgrounds.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
52. The best line I ever heard from a candidate about himself:
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jun 2013
I've taken showers with the kind of men that most Republicans never meet.
-- Jack Kemp, US Congressmen, Cabinet Member, candidate for Vice President
and former NFL quarterback


I will admit that Kemp was a Republican I could have voted for if his Democratic opponent had serious ethical issues, clearly had nothing behind his eyes or sounded more like Eric Cantor than FDR.
 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
53. This will be a conundrum for the sports leagues.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:36 PM
Jun 2013

Do what the republicans tell them to and pay higher signing bonus's for the talented rich kids that can only afford good health care while in school. Or support Obamacare and pay lower signing bonus's for all those talented poor kids that would be able to afford health care and continue to play. Rich Kids Mommas and daddies know they will have to pay a premium if they want there kid to play for them. Poor kids just want to play and make a decent living, and would likely take less for signing.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
59. Why don't
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 05:09 AM
Jun 2013

anybody actually think this is a stupid and probably racist move by Republicans? Even though a lot of white people watch football and basketball, many of the players in those sports are black. Did you forget Michael Jordan and Jay Z are big supporters of the President. Also the African American that use to own BET and bought the Charlotte team.

You have a lot of African American players, in both those Leaques, that are activist, in the African American community giving to Black charities for African American causes. It is the same community that votes over 90 percent against Republicans. Sports have done a lot for African Americans, more than any other business in America. That is one place where the African American community has a lotta power. You are not going to tell Michael Jordan or Jay Z how to run their business or what they can promote. This is going to back fire bigtime on the Republicans. And if this is good for the African American community or Hispanic community, the Republicans have bit off more than they can chew this time. And let me make somethingelse clear, there are a lotta professional teams in California, and mostly large urban areas. The mayor of Charlotte, North Carolina is a bigtime Obama supporter. The city of Charlotte is the base of those teams in Charlotte, not some idiot backwoods person in Oklahoma.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
44. There Is A Law Against Making Terroristic Threats
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

How is threatening harm not a terroristic threat? Will they next be selling protection?

Plus, there are no key differences between Romneycare and Obamacare. The makeup of the vote doesn't mean twit when it comes to the merits of the programs.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
45. Seriously?
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jun 2013

The most unpopular Congress in history is going to lecture business owners on how to maintain their popularity? They. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
47. So how do the Republicans expect to pressure major sports franchises?
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jun 2013

Whatever the Republicans do, it might result in billionaires withholding the Senators' paychecks -- I mean bribes -- I mean campaign contributions.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
55. GOP knows lots of apathetic and low-information voters are sports fans
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jun 2013

I see this as some sort of pre-emptive subliminal way of politicizing an ostensibly apolotical part of culture followed by hoards of people. I mean, they've already got the partisan haters and wingnuts in their hip pockets.

It reeks of panicked desperation.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
60. You forget,
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 05:40 AM
Jun 2013

Northern States and cities are already implementing this, especially in California? They have bit off more than they can chew this time and don't control every region. Most of these professional teams are in big urban areas of population. This is where Big League teams make their money. They don't make their money in rural America, like Oklahoma or Kentucky. McConnell and his buddies have no power in Big urban areas. They come from red states.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
57. NFL players offer expert advice ...
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:05 AM
Jun 2013

on the subject of firearms.

Health care finance issues...
not so much

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
58. Stereotypical much?
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:19 AM
Jun 2013
- Not experts on windsprints? Not on tackling or on intercepting passes? They've spent their entire lives working toward a goal in professional sports and they're only experts on firearms? I always thought that was the NRA.

I'll just go ahead and Ignore you now and beat the holiday rush......
 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
64. Got a link?
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jun 2013

I do not recall many athletes for firearms anywhere outside of NASCAR. However I do know many athletes from very poor backgrounds. That can empathize with the the need for Obamacare. The GOP is really overstepping here I think.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
66. Thats impressive you came up with one whole athelete, who happens to advocate by murder. Kinda like
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jun 2013
right to lifers murdering abortion clinic doctors. Counter productive I would think.

Murders [edit]
In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[8][9]
March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before in 1984 and was also bombed subsequently in 2012.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[10] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

The CCC

(463 posts)
63. GOP Leaders Warn Pro Sports Leagues Not To Promote Obamacare
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jun 2013

That is called a conspiracy to violate the law. Put these repukes in jail.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
67. Too late for Major League Baseball - at least among their players
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jun 2013

They've already shown this video to all players. I know, I worked for the people who wrote it, and sent them the link to the Manager.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
69. The only reputation being damaged here is
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 07:44 AM
Jul 2013

that of the GOP shooting itself in the foot again.

They're still trying to stifle free speech as a means of suffocating
their enemy's implementation of a popular program they don't like.

 

I love weed

(50 posts)
75. It's a hot button political issue.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jul 2013

We all know it is. I'm okay with it as long as it stays out of government hands. But it probably won't.

Universal healthcare is a great idea, but giving more vital power and control over our lives to our lying, criminal, corrput, unconstitutional government? No way. I will never be fooled again.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
76. The majority of people
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:30 PM
Jul 2013

don't think that the ACA is

giving more vital power and control over our lives to our lying, criminal, corrput, unconstitutional government?


just people like you do (I am not trying to insult you, I am just stating a fact based on your response).

It is the law, it is what it is. The more people learn about their new rights and how to shop for insurance on the exchanges and so on and so forth the better.

 

I love weed

(50 posts)
78. So what if it's the law?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jul 2013

There a lot of laws. I don't want government or politics intruding on my football, period.

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