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Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:40 PM

Va. House scraps invasive pre-abortion requirement


RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Amid a public uproar that prompted Virginia's governor to withdraw his support, Republican legislators on Wednesday dropped a bitterly contested requirement that women seeking abortions undergo invasive ultrasound imaging, likely dooming the bill.

The Republican-controlled House of Delegates voted 65-32 for an amended bill that requires only an external ultrasound, not the vaginal insertion of a wand-like device that emits ultrasonic waves that are used to create images of the fetus.



Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Va-House-scraps-invasive-pre-abortion-requirement-3352115.php#ixzz1n9nnGEhk

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Reply Va. House scraps invasive pre-abortion requirement (Original post)
underpants Feb 2012 OP
MaineDem Feb 2012 #1
xxqqqzme Feb 2012 #2
niyad Feb 2012 #3
LisaL Feb 2012 #5
intheflow Feb 2012 #46
LisaL Feb 2012 #4
KansDem Feb 2012 #6
lastlib Feb 2012 #7
Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #32
barbtries Feb 2012 #8
Bozita Feb 2012 #9
Tx4obama Feb 2012 #10
Marthe48 Feb 2012 #11
rocktivity Feb 2012 #12
Warpy Feb 2012 #13
CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2012 #15
Magoo48 Feb 2012 #35
SemperEadem Feb 2012 #36
sarge43 Feb 2012 #43
juajen Feb 2012 #39
47of74 Feb 2012 #14
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #16
markpkessinger Feb 2012 #17
rocktivity Feb 2012 #18
Bozita Feb 2012 #19
JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #37
Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #20
ananda Feb 2012 #41
jeff47 Feb 2012 #21
caseymoz Feb 2012 #30
AlbertCat Feb 2012 #40
caseymoz Feb 2012 #44
mainer Feb 2012 #22
randome Feb 2012 #25
sdghjtyjty Feb 2012 #23
kdmorris Feb 2012 #24
sofa king Feb 2012 #26
alp227 Feb 2012 #27
INdemo Feb 2012 #28
VPStoltz Feb 2012 #29
DFW Feb 2012 #31
MADem Feb 2012 #33
Incitatus Feb 2012 #34
lunatica Feb 2012 #38
MADem Feb 2012 #42
just1voice Feb 2012 #45
rocktivity Feb 2012 #47

Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:41 PM

1. Thank goodness!

The idiots!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:43 PM

2. One very small, but significant, step

away from the rethuglican dark ages.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:45 PM

3. okay, so the transvaginal ultrasound is out, but an ultrasound is STILL required??? we are supposed

to be grateful that they are only being a LITTLE intrusive?

not going to be satisfied until all these woman-haters are out of office, and unable to interfere in our lives at all.

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Response to niyad (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:48 PM

5. Yes, it's ludicrous because it's completely unnecessary and obviously useless.

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Response to niyad (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:37 PM

46. +1000.

Abortion is legal, between a woman and her doctor, and a basic human right. Fuck these assholes who think government belongs in the bedroom but not in the boardrooms.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:47 PM

4. If they are requiring an external ultrasound it's still stupid because

it won't even show anything early in pregnancy.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:49 PM

6. If anything highlighted Republican hypocrisy, it was this legislation.

I don't recall hearing one "smaller government" Republican criticize this bill. That goes to show what hypocrites they are!

Nobody enjoys more being told what to do, think, and feel by authorities than Republicans...

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:52 PM

7. Not enough--ANY State-forced medical procedure is an invasion

A woman's body belongs to the woman--NOT the state!

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Response to lastlib (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:17 AM

32. In fact, the procedure meets many definitions of rape

The insertion of any object, into a woman's vagina, without her permission.

Texas unfortunately, with its republican supermajority, passed this procedure. But in Texas we are currently objecting to it, calling it "Republican Rape" for instance.

And in fact? It may be that this law can be busted for attempting to legalize a kind of rape.

In any case? Clearly calling it rape, over and over, in public, in front of the press, is a excellent way to embrass republicans. And to point to horrible problems with this kind of bill.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:00 PM

8. still forcing a procedure

that is not medically indicated. still bullshit. but at least they backed off this much.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:07 PM

9. So, ... now we're supposed to view VA GOPers as moderates?

Infuckingsane!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:13 PM

10. And all the women should send the medical bill for the test to the GOPers in House of Delegates n/t

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:14 PM

11. If the external ultrasound is also medically unnecessary, insurance will still not pay?

So it is still an unnecessary burden on the woman.

And about the transvaginal ultrasound? When you have one done, you have to fill up on liquids so your bladder is full, so they get a clear image. So it is invasive and very uncomfortable.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:24 PM

12. As Bon Jovi might say

Last edited Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Whoa, we're halfway there.

Now that we've gotten rid of the instrument of state-mandated rape, we need to get rid of the rest of the law, which is now an instrument of psychological torture. So it's not over yet.


rocktivity

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:25 PM

13. "Wand like?" Bullshit

it's DILDO like and would be state sanctioned RAPE.

Why does so much of this shit come out of Virginia? I remember some years ago when they were trying to criminalize miscarriage by making them all reportable. I posted on a Virginia discussion board that women needed to start sending all their used sanitary products to the guy who proposed it so he could personally inspect it all and tell them if they had anything to report.

It was withdrawn the next day.

Make enough angry noise and the patriarchs will retreat. They, like all other bullies, are cowards at heart.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:29 PM

15. Exactly right. n/t

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Response to Warpy (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:47 AM

35. Virgina named after Elisibeth 1, the virgin queen. Maybe this crosses the old boys up somehow.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:05 AM

36. the same woman who said

"I will never be by violence constrained to do anything."

and

"A strength to harm is perilous in the hand of an ambitious head.
(Elizabeth in a letter to Henry Sidney, 1565) "

Semper Eadem (which was her motto)

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:18 AM

43. "I will open no windows into men's consciences." n/t

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Response to Warpy (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:07 AM

39. Exactly right, freakin' cowards.

I propose a brand new women's Bill of Rights. I'll start with number one. No decisions shall be made regarding a woman 's body without 100% approval by women ONLY. Somebody got number two?

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:28 PM

14. Glad to hear it, but the pressure needs to be kept on

They still probably want to do this, so the pressure needs to be kept on.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:32 PM

16. THANK YOU to the protesters who stood in front of the Capital building!

KEEP AT IT until the MULLAHS scurry back into the slimy dark corners from whence they came.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




fucking christofascists.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:33 PM

17. People should fight against the external ultrasound just as hard as they fought the internal one...

... because the principle is the same: it amounts to government ordering a medically unnecessary procedure for what is primarily a political purpose.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:39 PM

18. We've simply moved from state-mandated rape

to state-mandated persecution, harassment and psychological torture.


rocktivity

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:03 PM

19. Agreed. No matter how you slice it, this is still a GOP anti-abortion, anti-woman victory!

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:11 AM

37. Agree. Same thing.

Marginally better, it's "State Required Rape", just without penetration.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:11 PM

20. Not good enough.

There must be NO ULTRASOUND.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:18 AM

41. Tell that to crazy Texas Reeps and their conservative appellate judges.

nt

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:28 PM

21. Senate plans to scrap the bill entirely

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/22/430739/virginia-senator-plans-to-pull-invasive-ultrasound-bill/

Just moments after the Virginia House passed an amended version, state Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel (R) announced she will seek to strike her controversial “abortion informed consent” bill, rather than accept a watered-down version passed by the House of Delegates.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:34 AM

30. Wow! A woman of principle.


She apparently thinks that only implement rape is good enough for women seeking abortion. What kind of conviction is that? I hear that in this bill, she didn't even require the woman to watch it. So, what was the point of having this baton inserted into a woman's vagina?

Yes, this was all medically and morally necessary.

Or perhaps she was now just looking for an excuse to get out of it after the shit-storm she's brought, and "refusing to accept a watered-down version" sounded so stalwart.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:12 AM

40. What kind of conviction is that?

 

The kind that gets her to cut her nose off to spite her face.


Abortion is a very adult matter. These children have to stop pretending they know what they are doing.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:27 AM

44. Um, you missed my sarcasm.


Sometimes I think sarcasm is too broad to label, but apparently I should make the label a habit.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:31 PM

22. You think they're getting the hint that women have teeth, too?

The Susan Komen issue should have given them the heads up that they are screwed if they go after women's rights.

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Response to mainer (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:18 PM

25. The Komen protest, Wisconsin union rights, the Internet blackout and now this.

 

The power of protest works!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:51 PM

24. So, let me guess...

they now expect us to be GRATEFUL that they took that one tiny little step. Now they just require you to have an unnecessary medical procedure.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:19 PM

26. I have to say I'm satisfied.

It didn't happen, but everyone with an (R) behind their name gets tarred with the idiot brush for it, while a new surge of interest, campaign support and contributions flow to Virginia Democrats.

Meanwhile, the Governor just removed himself from the VP short list by being both for and against it, which in turn makes a repeat win in Virginia much more simple for President Obama.

Good job, Virginia Republicans! Keep finding ways to hate.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:03 AM

27. Dear pro choice Virginians, please start organizing to throw some Repubgelicals out of office!

If Wisconsin could do it, so can Virginia (and does Virginia have recall elections?)

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:05 AM

28. And in other business the VA legislature quietly voted its self a raise..

 

Imagine that...Something like 67 Repukes and 35 Dems..quietly voted and moved it on to the Seante

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/feb/22/tdmet01-schapiro-lawmakers-quietly-move-to-raise-t-ar-1706104/

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:14 AM

29. Rachel M. said the WOMAN who sponsored the original bill is holding up this new.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:29 AM

31. Right victory for the wrong reason

It still looks like the radical rightist VA legislators fear Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow more
than they fear their own constituents. What's wrong with this picture?

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:18 AM

33. Why should they have to have, and pay for, ANY ultrasound?

This is simply "less egregious." They aren't shoving wands into orafices now (oh joy), but they are still intruding into a medical procedure for no damn reason except to FUCK with people that they don't agree with.

This is not good news, it's just "less sucky" news.

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Response to MADem (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:41 AM

34. Maybe that was their original goal.

They asked for something they didn't expect to get and "settled" for something they wanted, however, the actions of these Virginia Republicans adversely affected Republicans everywhere with many who are not not on the far right.

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:13 AM

38. If so, what their original goal was and how they think they get it is Idiocracy at its most obvious

There's a lot of that going around. It being an election year and all.

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:59 AM

42. Turning this election into Roe v. Wade all over again--and that is what they've done--

is as good as saying FOUR MORE YEARS for the incumbent!

It works for me!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:45 AM

45. Thank you all of America for disgracing these Virginia bigots

 

Virginia repukes are still psychopaths who could care less about anyone or anything as abstract to them as "equal rights" but at least there are people elsewhere in the U.S. that do care about others.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:33 PM

47. We've won a big battle, but not the war.

From Countdown With Keith Olbermann, 2/2210:

CARMON: Even if you're doing it through the abdominal wall, even if you're not doing a trans-vaginal ultrasound, the total intention of this is just to humiliate women who are seeking an abortion and try to get them to change their minds...Intimate them, bully them...

OLBERMANN:
Well, but it's worse than that because, in the new language, the governor is saying, "We're not going to mandate this, but the doctor will have to mandate this." So, the complete responsibility is shunted away from the state, even though the state is demanding it. I mean, it's a perfect — it is a definition of Catch-22: "You don't need to have this exam. We can't make the doctor do it, but you have to have the results of the exam (in order to get an abortion)..."


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