Pat Buchanan upset by Pope Francis: He is losing the culture war

[Katashi_itto]

Source: The Raw Story


Pope Francis is bordering on moral relativism by refusing to berate atheists and condemn LGBT individuals, according to conservative columnist Pat Buchanan.

Writing at Townhall on Friday, Buchanan said Pope Francis was attempting to move “the Catholic Church to a stance of non-belligerence, if not neutrality, in the culture war for the soul of the West.”

Neutrality in the culture war, he wrote, citing Trotsky, meant losing the culture war.

Buchanan isn’t pleased that Pope Francis described attempting to convert people to Christianity as “solemn nonsense.” The pope has said that Christians need to listen to others and “discover new needs” rather than lecture them.


Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/15/pat-buchanan-upset-by-pope-francis-he-is-losing-the-culture-war/

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The List of Pope haters grows steadily...Palin, Buchanan, Conservatives, Vatican Establishment....Italian Mafia....

[northoftheborder]

1. Poor old Pat Buchanan. There's one voice I don't miss hearing every other day on some show.

His time has past, thankfully.

[Submariner]

9. Oprah: Old Racists 'Just Have To Die' To Further Racial Progress

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/15/oprah-racists-die_n_4280460.html?utm_hp_ref=media

I think the phrase "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" comes into play here.

[fasttense]

38. And yet I find older dogs to be infinitely more trainable then puppies.

Puppies always have to chew and play and run and discover the world. Older dogs are calmer and more composed. A 2 year old dog is more interested in what you are doing, than a puppy who needs to see what is happening everywhere. Even 4 and 5 year old dogs are more willing to sit still and pay attention to what their master's want.

So maybe the saying should be, "You can't teach an old racist new tricks".

[KamaAina]

2. I thought the Pope was supposed to be infallible?

[Posteritatis]

4. Papal infallibility does not work that way (nt)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Only when speaking ex cathedra.

[AngryOldDem]

39. Here's a short explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

This misconception is widely held.

[Scootaloo]

3. A stance of "don't be an asshole" pisses off assholes

Thus, Buchanan's problem with the Pope.

I imagine the pope cares about as much about what Buchanan thinks as I do. Probably less, since I at least know who Pat buchanan is.

[JHB]

56. +11111

[olddad56]

6. wait, I thought Pat Buchanan was the Pope.

[LeftishBrit]

7. He probably thinks so too; which explains his comments.

[Mike Nelson]

8. The US media employed this bigot for decades...

...shameful.

[Frustratedlady]

10. Amen!

Bigot is an understatement when it comes to Pat. What a hateful individual.

[QuestForSense]

23. What in God's name does this demon know about the teachings of Christ?

Absolutely nothing. His words are of no consequence.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

61. He certainly does not understand all that guff

About feeding the hungry, tending the sick, loving your neighbor and so on that Christ said was necessary for salvation.

[PeoViejo]

11. Pat better be careful

or the Pope might revoke his Crusader Credentials.

[Swede Atlanta]

12. Pat is mad that the pope is actually practicing the teachings of Christ.....

Poverty, humility, kindness and love are the hallmarks of the teachings of Christ. This pope appears to be living those characteristics.

But that doesn't fit into Pat's worldview. He likes being rich. He has no interest in helping anyone other than himself. He likes being able to feel superior to atheists and LGBT persons.

It is just so inconvenient to have a pope that actually practices Christianity.

[Thinkingabout]

53. K & R

No way no how does the RW want the Pope being kind to women, children and poor, it does not fit their platform. Yea, I know, many of the RW does not know the Pope believes in Jesus.

[Wolf Frankula]

13. Call Whine-1-1

Patsy needs a WAAAAAAmbulance.

Wolf

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. The graphic should read, "Jesus says he believes in redistribution".

[Arugula Latte]

15. Time for Jeeeeeesus to call ol' Pat home, methinks!

[demigoddess]

65. only the good die young

the mean and evil aren't wanted in heaven

[msongs]

16. "the pope" is also losing the culture war, as were all his recent predecessors nt

[gopiscrap]

17. Fuck Pat Buchannan

[NCarolinawoman]

18. I'm still waiting to hear from Santorum, Paul Ryan, O'Reilly, etc......

[Divernan]

24. New Pope poses BIG problem for Santorum, Scalia, Opus Dei.

[Arugula Latte]

27. I would NOT want to be on Opus Dei's shit list. Not at all.

Talk about an evil organization. Holy shit.

[AngryOldDem]

41. And it gained legitimacy under Benedict.

Holy shit, is right.

[Enrique]

26. yep

and Newt Gingrich, Laura Ingraham, etc.

We did hear from Scalia...

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Saying he was “sorry it had to come to this,” Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said today that he was forming an “independent search committee” to select a new Pope.

The visibly upset jurist appeared at a press conference with the sole other member of the newly formed search committee, Justice Clarence Thomas.

Justice Scalia said he had “no other alternative” but to pick a new Pope himself after reading what he called a “disturbing” interview with Pope Francis today: “The Pope said he doesn’t want to speak out against abortion and gay marriage. Well, sorry, my friend, but that’s the entire job description. You should have thought of that before you let them blow that white smoke in Rome.”

Justice Scalia acknowledged that only the College of Cardinals has the legal authority to choose a Pope, but added, “Quite frankly, those jokers got us into this mess. Right, Clarence?”

Justice Thomas had no comment.

[OldRedneck]

19. I'm certain . . .

I'm certain the Pope is calling Pat right now to apologize and to inform Pat that he's getting back on the right track.

[Mz Pip]

20. Pat may be a Catholic

But Pat doesn't get to decide what is best for the church.

I doubt Pope Francis gives a hoot what Pat thinks anyway.

[hrmjustin]

21. I am glad the Pope is pissing off Pat!

[fantase56]

22. pat who??????????

[last1standing]

25. So Buchanan understands Catholicizm better than the pope.

He knows the religion better than the College of Cardinals who chose the new pope. It makes one wonder if Sarah Palin is dressing up as the Virgin Mary and whispering in his ear at night.

[hibbing]

28. Go take a nap in your confederate flag blankie Pat

[SummerSnow]

51. He probably has matching pajamas too

[silvershadow]

29. In just a few more years, I can see him climbing a bell tower on a campus somewhere, maybe

in South Carolina or something. It will be as if his worst nightmare comes true, given his world view. I thank God he's not on Tweety's show anymore. I couldn't stand him.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

30. Pat is a fascist

And no I'm not using the term in a lazy way to denote any right-winger.

He's said many times that the western Allies should have allied with Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union.

[LeftishBrit]

64. Yes, he is.

In fact the first time that I came across him was when he wrote an article defending Jean-Marie LePen.

[MisterP]

68. he also defended the invasion of Poland

[Tabasco_Dave]

31. It's our turn buddy!

That's what I'd say if i was a progressive catholic.

[Scuba]

32. Obama says he believes in redistribution, huh?

Apparently this is true, but not as the right-wing media (is there another kind?) would have you believe.

Billionaire wealth doubles since financial crisis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014646521

80% of the US Population is at or below the POVERTY line

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024039256

[Katashi_itto]

33. Wrong thread maybe?

[Scuba]

34. Responding to the "scroll" ...

[Katashi_itto]

35. Oooh Doh!, sorry my mistake :)

[Scuba]

36. No problem.

[Sunlei]

37. Pope: "Life is not given to us to jealously guard for ourselves, but to gift to others"

Dear Mr. Buchanan,

[AngryOldDem]

40. Well, then, the Pope must be doing something right.

Good on him.

I also notice media outlets like EWTN are also silent on this pope. In the past, EWTN has practically embarrassed itself with its lavish praise of the papacy. Now...crickets. I also see that as a very encouraging sign that a lot of the conservatives are getting the message that the Church is Under New Management.

[caraher]

42. Buchanan also mentions atheists applauding the Pope

Yet when I saw Richard Dawkins on Bill Maher, he said Pope Francis was "dangerous" (clearly because he seems reasonable).

Pat wants a divider, not a uniter.

[Bradical79]

43. Sounds like Pope Francis is winning the culture war to me

Not sure Pat actually knows what it means to win at something. Regardless of what one thinks of the Pope, The Catholic Church, etc. Pope Francis has done a pretty amazing job on the PR front simply by acting more like a compassionate human being than his predecessors. I will never be Catholic, and don't like the Catholic Church, but I'm not blind.

[struggle4progress]

44. Meh: seems like Pat's always kinda upset about somethin or other

[Paladin]

45. On the basis of his enemies alone, I like this Pope.

Pat Buchanan and Sarah Palin aren't happy with him. And if he were still around, you can bet that Bill Buckley would be pissing and moaning about what's coming out of the Vatican, these days. Pope Francis seems to be my kind of guy, Protestant that I am.....

[DissidentVoice]

47. Pat and Sarah don't like him

...because he actually shows a lot of HUMILITY and seems to at least TRY to put the teachings of Christ into practice.

[Paladin]

48. Emulating Christ's teachings. What a concept. (nt)

[DissidentVoice]

59. Revolutionary, isn't it?

The hard-"Christian" Right whose stances are much more Ayn Rand than Jesus, St. Paul, Moses or any of the Jewish Prophets in the Hebrew Scriptures (who all railed against mistreatment of the poor and needy) are obviously shocked by such a revolutionary practice of faith!

[Paladin]

63. Suits me. (nt)

[Katashi_itto]

49. :)

He is rather awesome. I never expected to see this in a pope.

[Paladin]

54. Nor I. (nt)

[DissidentVoice]

46. Isn't old Pat a Catholic?

If so, he should know that when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, he IS the LAW for the Church...no matter what Pat may think.

(Disclaimer. I'm a Lutheran, not a Catholic, so I don't have a dog in the fight.)

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

62. Pope Francis has not spoken ex cathedra

In fact, the last time any pope has spoken ex cathedra was in 1950, and the previous time was in 1864.

[DissidentVoice]

66. I stand corrected

Not being a Catholic, I am not aware of the precise definition of some of the terms.

[SummerSnow]

50. dude..just stfu

[arely staircase]

52. I she attacking The Chair? nt

[lobodons]

55. WINNING

Pope Francis is so WINNING!!!!

[Monk06]

57. So much for the RW dream of a pre Vatican II papacy. That's what's pissing Buchanan off.

[gopiscrap]

58. Buchannan should have his ass in jail

[rpannier]

60. Poor Pat

The culture war has shifted from hating gays and the poor to protecting the poor and admonishing the money changers

[libdem4life]

67. He lost me at "citing Trotsky" !