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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 10:49 AM Dec 2013

CEO to Obama During Contentious Meeting with Top Tech Executives: "Pardon Edward Snowden."

Source: Daily Kos

Executives for the nation's largest technology companies met with President Obama this morning to argue that the NSA's unchecked surveillance is harming their businesses and the overall economic environment in which they operate.

CEOs from over 15 companies – including Google, Apple and Microsoft – pressed for the president to rein in the NSA's bulk surveillance activities and expressed anger over the government's infiltration of U.S. servers around the world.

During the meeting, Mark Pincus (founder of Zynga) boldly suggested to Obama before the gathered group that Edward Snowden should be pardoned. Pincus, it is important to note, gave $1 million to Obama's Super PAC, Priorities Action USA.

Obama's response: he could not do so.


Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/18/1263679/-CEO-to-Obama-During-Contentious-Meeting-with-Top-Tech-Executives-Pardon-Edward-Snowden#



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CEO to Obama During Contentious Meeting with Top Tech Executives: "Pardon Edward Snowden." (Original Post) silvershadow Dec 2013 OP
Huh? daleanime Dec 2013 #1
I know, right? nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #8
The NSA is squeezing the balls of these companies BlueStreak Dec 2013 #28
Even if Snowden were pardoned, he could never come back and be safe. djean111 Dec 2013 #2
Well put. It is hard for some to boomersense Dec 2013 #12
Can someone be pardoned if he hasn't been convicted? Isn't the term "amnesty"? George II Dec 2013 #3
Nixon? TxGrandpa Dec 2013 #4
Anyone can be pardoned at any time. former9thward Dec 2013 #6
I guess it's possible, but back at that time there was a huge debate about how... George II Dec 2013 #27
Caspar Weinberger comes to mind - he had charges pending against him and was awaiting trial UpInArms Dec 2013 #20
Yes. It's basically to stop someone from pressing charges later. Like Nixon. What would have okaawhatever Dec 2013 #24
Glad to find SOME CEOs have their heads screwed on right! Demeter Dec 2013 #5
Cue ominous music. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #7
At least there'd be a prospect of leaving Russia. snot Dec 2013 #19
If Bush can commute the sentence of Scooter Libby, OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #9
Good point. nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #10
Excellent. nt boomersense Dec 2013 #13
Yes, but Bush didn't pardon him. That may be the one of the few good things Bush did. He went head okaawhatever Dec 2013 #25
If this overreach by the NSA is going to be stopped, this is how: $$$. Hosnon Dec 2013 #11
I think they are waking up to that little fact. The financial collateral damage is very real, and silvershadow Dec 2013 #29
It's embarrassing that Zynga was invited fbc Dec 2013 #14
This is not about Zynga. It is about the NSA. djean111 Dec 2013 #18
The right wing NSA are no ally to Obama Ash_F Dec 2013 #15
Now it's obvious who is first in the pecking order Dopers_Greed Dec 2013 #16
How interesting treestar Dec 2013 #17
This is something Obama should do anyway Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #21
Twofer RobertEarl Dec 2013 #22
He can pardon W all he wants, and W will still be a wanted man in some areas of the globe. nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #23
Please do, President Obama, please do! K & R nt mother earth Dec 2013 #26
of course he could do so grasswire Dec 2013 #30
He should do it at just the right time, after he gets some more agenda items done. silvershadow Dec 2013 #32
The man that brought us virtual farms? politichew Dec 2013 #31
He totally can, he will not. TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #33
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
28. The NSA is squeezing the balls of these companies
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:49 PM
Dec 2013

They want the NSA reined in because it makes their businesses a lot more complicated, and it puts they at war with their customers.

Their reaction is not surprising at all. Let's see is Obama wises up a little.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Even if Snowden were pardoned, he could never come back and be safe.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 10:52 AM
Dec 2013

Oh, and clearly - Pincus never loved Obama.
Guess what? This is not about Obama, Obama is just a player in the game. He will be replaced in a few years.

 

boomersense

(147 posts)
12. Well put. It is hard for some to
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:28 PM
Dec 2013

understand this, but more will next year. And the revolt will hopefully get more serious.

former9thward

(31,941 posts)
6. Anyone can be pardoned at any time.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 11:30 AM
Dec 2013

Nixon was given a pardon by Ford even though he was never charged with any crime let alone convicted.

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. I guess it's possible, but back at that time there was a huge debate about how...
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:47 PM
Dec 2013

....Nixon could have been pardoned without being charged.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
24. Yes. It's basically to stop someone from pressing charges later. Like Nixon. What would have
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:36 PM
Dec 2013

happened if someone decided to press charges after Ford? Delicious thought, but alas, no such thing.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
5. Glad to find SOME CEOs have their heads screwed on right!
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 11:30 AM
Dec 2013
Obama can so pardon Snowden, he's just got some severe personality issues with admitting a mistake...and this one was a whopper! Obama is liable for crimes against humanity...and this will be added to the list.

A little humility from our Constitutional Scholar, and some application of his expertise, would be a welcome trend. He's got the rest of his life on the line, here...and he's daily working to see that it's not a life worth living. For him and his family.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
25. Yes, but Bush didn't pardon him. That may be the one of the few good things Bush did. He went head
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:39 PM
Dec 2013

to head with Cheney over that and their relationship hasn't been the same. It was such a controversial issue between them I have to wonder what the background was?

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
11. If this overreach by the NSA is going to be stopped, this is how: $$$.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:02 PM
Dec 2013

Companies are justifiably rethinking doing business with American tech companies because the NSA thinks they can do whatever the hell they want. Well - money is what really calls the shots, not spooks reading their ex's emails.

Once enough financial damage is done, the NSA's new toys will be taken away from them.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
29. I think they are waking up to that little fact. The financial collateral damage is very real, and
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:07 PM
Dec 2013

it is a real drag on our economy (along with everything else). Of course, the more that is revealed the more the rats are jumping ship anyway, in their own ways- they're trying to distance themselves now from it all. Funny thing though, we haven't actually had the big discussion about the whole thing to begin with. It's as if it's just a given now that the programs are legal and constitutional, and the debate has shifted again and again. Now we are at a place where they are just manipulating the entire dialogue to distract and deflect. I hope the corporate money boys weighing in like this will really have some effect.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
14. It's embarrassing that Zynga was invited
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:34 PM
Dec 2013

How the hell does Zynga get invited to something like this? Answer: by donating to Obama's PAC apparently. Why should we take this meeting as some serious meeting of the tech giants when the leader of a company of such ill repute is invited?

For those unfamiliar with Zynga, go read their wiki page. Their business model was basically to steal games from small independents, and repackage them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zynga#Intellectual_property_controversies_and_litigation

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. This is not about Zynga. It is about the NSA.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:12 PM
Dec 2013

Did the other invitees disagree? Do you think Obama held a not-so-serious meeting, just for grins?
Oh, and last time I looked, donating to any politician's PAC in large amounts gets access.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
15. The right wing NSA are no ally to Obama
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:36 PM
Dec 2013

As evidenced by Alexander's behavior and comments

He should do it to stick it in their eye

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. How interesting
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:09 PM
Dec 2013

I thought Obama would do the corporatists' bidding, but also that the corporatists never are willing to do the right thing.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
21. This is something Obama should do anyway
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:49 PM
Dec 2013

because it opens the door to grant universal immunity to ALL corporate whistleblowers...

Wouldn't Wall Street be shitting their pants if *that* ever came to pass?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
22. Twofer
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:36 PM
Dec 2013

Obama should pardon both Snowden and bush, w. at the same time.

He's not gonna be able to prosecute either one so he might as well pardon w.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
32. He should do it at just the right time, after he gets some more agenda items done.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:16 PM
Dec 2013

Time's a wastin' on this term. Maybe after the mid-terms. And, he can lose his handlers any time he wants to as far as I am concerned. I much prefer Obama the idealist, the one who ran for President so many years ago now.

 

politichew

(230 posts)
31. The man that brought us virtual farms?
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:14 PM
Dec 2013

He doesn't have the credentials to make complex policy decisions outside how many Facebook friends someone needs to help build a fake barn.

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