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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:23 AM Jan 2014

Eleven attorneys general slam Obama healthcare fixes as illegal

Source: The Hill

By Rebecca Shabad

Eleven GOP attorneys general say the Obama administration is breaking the law by repeatedly making changes to ObamaCare without going through Congress.

The attorneys general specifically criticize President Obama's executive action that allowed insurance companies to keep offering health plans that had been canceled for not meeting ObamaCare's more rigorous standards.

“We support allowing citizens to keep their health insurance coverage, but the only way to fix this problem-ridden law is to enact changes lawfully: through Congressional action,” the attorneys general wrote in a letter to Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “The illegal actions by this administration must stop.”

They say the healthcare fix was “flatly illegal under federal constitutional and statutory law.”

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Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/194265-11-gop-attorneys-general-accuse-obama-of-using

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Eleven attorneys general slam Obama healthcare fixes as illegal (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2014 OP
Oh fuck off Pukes. SoapBox Jan 2014 #1
I understand their point .... But... underpants Jan 2014 #2
I'll go out on a limb and guess that President Obama knows the Constitution better..... groundloop Jan 2014 #3
uh I agree anasv Jan 2014 #11
No actually congress is the one who has been behaving like dicks over Guantanamo not Obama. nt cstanleytech Jan 2014 #18
The GOPers have faught closing Guantanamo, and the NSA has been doing it's thing for a long time... groundloop Jan 2014 #21
When I first read the headline, joshdawg Jan 2014 #4
Must be Plan Z to kill ObamaCare. We're gonna need a longer alphabet! NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #5
They'll start over using the Greek alphabet BumRushDaShow Jan 2014 #8
Nah, they'll just make up letters... KansDem Jan 2014 #12
They should cut to the chase and repeal it because he's Kenyan Orrex Jan 2014 #6
Let me guess they're all from states the turned down participation..... Historic NY Jan 2014 #7
Yeah. Because we need to care what Ken Cuccinelli and his best friends think. Squinch Jan 2014 #9
They just don't know when to quit. marble falls Jan 2014 #10
No one cares what Republicans have to say The Wizard Jan 2014 #13
Funny these same people are not saying a thing about the IRS following the Law as written. Bandit Jan 2014 #14
They may technically be correct........ Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #15
Nope, don't fall for it EC Jan 2014 #16
Take your complaints to SCOTUS. Johnyawl Jan 2014 #17
From what I understand Congress passes the bills and the Administration writes the regulations. That jwirr Jan 2014 #19
Generally that is true but.... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #20
Looks like 'old news.' elleng Jan 2014 #22
Eleven Racist Republican AG's Sue Obama Because He Is A Black Man..... Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #23
Even if the courts do find this is true; greiner3 Jan 2014 #24

underpants

(182,624 posts)
2. I understand their point .... But...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jan 2014

Going through Congress is not practical - they couldn't agree on a Mothers Day resolution at this point. Plus, it smells like a trap to vote down Obamacare.

groundloop

(11,514 posts)
3. I'll go out on a limb and guess that President Obama knows the Constitution better.....
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jan 2014

than the GOPers who are complaining. They'd rather see people suffer to give GOPers ammunition in the next election.

Also, if the President has done anything unconstitutional why isn't Darryl Issa investigating it yet?

 

anasv

(225 posts)
11. uh I agree
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jan 2014

that of course this is politically motivated, although I have wondered about if the law is written in such a way that it allows all this tinkering (not that I object, tinker away.)

But Obama has run a tractor-trailer over the Constitution in many respects - Guantanamo, NSA, etc.

groundloop

(11,514 posts)
21. The GOPers have faught closing Guantanamo, and the NSA has been doing it's thing for a long time...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jan 2014

joshdawg

(2,646 posts)
4. When I first read the headline,
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jan 2014

my thoughts were: This has got to be a republican complaint.
Sure enough, all eleven were/are GOTP. Gee, what a surprise.
Brings up a question: Since when have the republicans ever been concerned with the constitutionality of any law?
Oh wait, only when it suits their agenda. Got it!

BumRushDaShow

(128,490 posts)
8. They'll start over using the Greek alphabet
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 11:08 AM
Jan 2014

like when the NWS runs out of names for Tropical Storms/Hurricanes.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
7. Let me guess they're all from states the turned down participation.....
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jan 2014

in ACA. Sure sounds like they are pissed because the POTUS made good on his original promise. They lost a talking point.

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
13. No one cares what Republicans have to say
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jan 2014

unless it's under oath, and even then, normal people don't believe them.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
14. Funny these same people are not saying a thing about the IRS following the Law as written.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:07 PM
Jan 2014

Why is that do you suppose?

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
15. They may technically be correct........
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jan 2014

If the law is very specific about cutoff dates, etc. and does not specifically give the President authority to moderate some of the provisions, some of these changes may well be inconsistent with the law; i.e. "illegal".

I have certainly not read the entire law nor do I want to. I would have hoped the Executive would have reserved some latitude in the implementation of the law around deadlines, etc. - no changes to the overall substance of the law but as to implementation specifics.

If they didn't then the President is acting under a quasi-legal theory that he must take action to manifest Congress' will and use his powers to achieve that goal.

Unfortunately now we know, as do these states AG that the House would never even take up a bill to improve or "tweak" the ACA. A body that has voted over 30 times to repeal the law and whose leadership has said their focus in 2014 will be to repeal the law will never do anything to make it work. They hate the American people so much and that they might actually be getting something that helps them they can't see anything but red.

As with any law of this magnitude, it is going to take some experimentation, tweaking, adjusting, etc. There will always be unforeseen issues and problems. But the way mankind evolves is to throw something out there and improve on it. We don't have the telephone system first envisioned by Alexander Graham Bell. It has evolved over time. That is PROGRESS, something the Republicans find disgusting.

EC

(12,287 posts)
16. Nope, don't fall for it
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:10 PM
Jan 2014

it's a trap to get the law back before Congress...don't do a thing for a long time....

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
19. From what I understand Congress passes the bills and the Administration writes the regulations. That
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jan 2014

is how it has always been.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
20. Generally that is true but....
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:38 PM
Jan 2014

unless you or I have read the entire law we don't know the level of detail in the law as to cutoff dates, etc.

If the law is very specific on deadlines, exemptions, etc. and Obama has exceeded those parameters then they may have a point. I don't know but would welcome someone with more knowledge to comment.

Regardless the issue is the House would NEVER, EVER, EVER even consider bringing for a vote any changes to the law.

So the only options these obstructionists have is to challenge these changes in court.

If the ACA continues to be a huge success they will likely raise court challenges because they hate to see anyone benefit from anything. That is their mantra - Everything for Me, nothing for You. And in red states the sheeple don't seem to care when the state government wastes state taxpayer dollars chasing a red herring. And we know the House LOVES to spend taxpayer money on frivolous pursuits such as defense of DOMA, the Benghazi hearings, etc. They likely wouldn't bat an eye spending money on challenges.

elleng

(130,733 posts)
22. Looks like 'old news.'
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jan 2014

'West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey wrote the letter, which was signed by his counterparts in Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas and Virginia.

Signatories include Gregg Abbott of Texas — who’s running for governor this year — and Ken Cuccinelli of Virginia.'

Cucc's successor not sworn in yet???

'The change, the Republican attorney generals argue, exceeds precedents set by Supreme Court decisions.

The officials point to the 1985 Heckler v. Chaney case, in which the Supreme Court concluded that some enforcement actions of laws might be subject to judicial review first.'

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
23. Eleven Racist Republican AG's Sue Obama Because He Is A Black Man.....
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:53 PM
Jan 2014

...and they are corrupt puppets of rich old white men and Fox News.

Fixed it.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
24. Even if the courts do find this is true;
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jan 2014

It will be years for the case(s) to become fully resolved.

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