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KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:15 AM Jan 2014

Hundreds in W. Va. report exposure symptoms after crippling chemical spill

Source: Fox News.com (I know...I know)

Hundreds of West Virginia residents are complaining of exposure symptoms after a crippling chemical spill compromised the public water supply for thousands of people and forced the closure of schools businesses, and restaurants in the state capital.

By Friday evening, 737 people had called the West Virginia Poison Center to report concerns or symptoms related to the spill, including nausea, vomiting, dizziness, diarrhea, rashes and reddened skin, state health officials told Reuters.

Dr. Elizabeth Scharman, director of the state's poison control center, said the symptoms vary "from very mild to much more bothersome.'' She told Reuters at least 70 people have been seen by an emergency room doctor, though only a handful have been admitted to hospitals.

About 300,000 people in nine counties entered their third day Saturday without being able to drink, bathe in, or wash dishes or clothes with their tap water. The only allowed use of the water was for flushing toilets. Officials remain unclear when it might be safe again.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/11/hundreds-report-exposure-symptoms-in-w-va-after-crippling-chemical-spill/



Link to video on the spill: Click here
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Hundreds in W. Va. report exposure symptoms after crippling chemical spill (Original Post) KeepItReal Jan 2014 OP
clean coal! KG Jan 2014 #1
+1000 valerief Jan 2014 #3
What is 4-methylcyclohexane methanol? underpants Jan 2014 #7
4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol niyad Jan 2014 #16
Indeed, the word "coal" appears nowhere in the Fox link arcane1 Jan 2014 #27
How many of them can get to a source of safe water? In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #2
Sounds like initial efforts definitely were not enough KeepItReal Jan 2014 #4
Hard working folks don't always have the time to watch news. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #5
300,000 people? Leave their homes and go where? jtuck004 Jan 2014 #6
They say it's being cleaned up. However it's still not safe to use. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #9
I can hollowdweller Jan 2014 #19
Keeping my fingers crossed for you to return to normal soon. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #25
Not a problem. The free hand of the market will sort it all out eventually. Scuba Jan 2014 #8
Here's the kicker: the local private water company had to be told there was a problem KeepItReal Jan 2014 #10
doctored screen grab trusty elf Jan 2014 #11
Original image of the polluting CEO drinking cold bottled water is damning enough KeepItReal Jan 2014 #12
true n/t trusty elf Jan 2014 #14
"Exposure symptoms" equals "Poisoning;" "Bothersome" equals "crisis." NBachers Jan 2014 #13
Yeah, "bothersome".. depends on what one's definition Cha Jan 2014 #32
The chemical companies and mining companies have used WV as a sewer/petrie dish Doctor_J Jan 2014 #15
I remember "Night Comes to the Cumberlands"--and that was 1962 MisterP Jan 2014 #28
Well, here's corporate America "taking care of" the "little guy" yet again. It's the GOP way. RBInMaine Jan 2014 #17
Better question durablend Jan 2014 #18
No, no, never happen! freshwest Jan 2014 #23
Exactly, durablend.. Will they even drink H20 from the Cha Jan 2014 #33
Drove though this once pristine State a few years back randr Jan 2014 #20
Freedom Industries!! jsr Jan 2014 #21
You'd think WV would be pure Democrat after living through all that coal's done for it. toby jo Jan 2014 #22
Current gov is a Democrat & was Pres WV Senate for 17 years. I believe WV is pretty much El_Johns Jan 2014 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jan 2014 #24
Shout out to Cabin Creek Teamster Jeff Jan 2014 #26
You know how you get elected in WV? You blame all the problems in WV on the EPA, Obama's "War doc03 Jan 2014 #29
Freedom-Industries, Inc; greiner3 Jan 2014 #30

underpants

(182,584 posts)
7. What is 4-methylcyclohexane methanol?
Reply to KG (Reply #1)
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:48 AM
Jan 2014

CNN actually does some basic reporting

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/10/health/west-virginia-chemical/

To help avoid confusion, here's some information about 4-methylcyclohexane methanol, taken from the American Association of Poison Control Centers and CNN's previous reporting:

This chemical is used to:

-- Wash coal before it goes to market to reduce ash, also known as the "froth flotation process" of coal preparation

niyad

(113,020 posts)
16. 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jan 2014



4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol
Molar mass 128.21 g mol?1
Appearance Colourless oil
Density 0.884 g/cm3
Boiling point 192 °C; 378 °F; 465 K
Solubility in water low

4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol, or more appropriately 4-methylcyclohexylmethanol, is an organic compound with the formula CH3C6H10CH2OH. Classified as an alcohol, it exists as two isomers with similar properties. It is a colourless oil with a faint mint-like[1] odor of licorice.[2] Like other octanols,
********THE COMPOUND IS ONLY SLIGHTLY SOLUBLE IN WATERr****** but highly soluble in many organic solvents.

Synthesis and production

It was first prepared by Bouveault-Blanc reduction of the corresponding methylcyclohexanecarboxylate ester.[1]

It is produced as a byproduct (ca. 1%) from the production of cyclohexanedimethanol, which is obtained by hydrogenation of dimethylterephthalate, a commodity chemical.[3]

C6H4(CO2CH3)2 + 8 H2 ? CH3C6H10CH2OH + 2 CH3OH + 3 H2O

Uses

MCHM has been produced and used as "a solvent for cellulose esters and cellulose ethers and for lacquers resins, oils, and waxes, an antioxidant for lubricants, and a blending agent for special textile soaps."[4] ********It has been patented as an air freshener.*******[5]

U. S. Patent 4915825 describes a froth flotation process for cleaning coal where a mixture of 95% MCHM, 4% water, and 0.1% 4-methylcyclohexanemethanol monoether (such as 4-(methoxymethyl)cyclohexanemethanol) is used as a frothing agent, and finely divided coal particles adhere to air bubbles induced into the agent which rise to the surface. Other monoesters, monoaldehydes, and cyclohexane alcohols can also be used. MCHM has the advantage of being less toxic than previous frothing agents containing 2-ethylhexanol.[6] However, its owners let the patent expire after 8 years for failure to pay maintenance fees.[7]
Health and safety

Routes of exposure to MCHM include inhalation, dermal contact, and ingestion.[4] According to the Hazardous Substances Data Bank of the U.S. National Library of Medicine Toxicology Data Network (Toxnet), exposure to MCHM vapors, particularly prolonged exposure and exposure at excessive concentrations, can produce irritation to eyes, skin, upper respiratory tract, and mucous membranes; skin rash, and headache.[4] "High exposures from skin contact or inhalation may cause damage to the heart, liver, kidneys, and lungs, and may result in death."[4]

It has been reported that it can be dangerous in high concentrations. In lower concentrations it can cause irritation to the skin, eyes, and throat, as well as drowsiness, breathing problems, and dizziness. Swallowed it can cause nausea. If breathed into lungs it may cause pneumonia.[8]

Prolonged exposure effects are not clear

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
4. Sounds like initial efforts definitely were not enough
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:59 AM
Jan 2014

Turning people away from depleted water distribution points does not sound good.

How many people (who weren't paying attention to the news) had no idea their water was poisoned that day?

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
5. Hard working folks don't always have the time to watch news.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:03 AM
Jan 2014

This is another sad day for West Virginia.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
6. 300,000 people? Leave their homes and go where?
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:32 AM
Jan 2014

Could bring it to them - According to the government they need a gallon per day, though that is just about enough for drinking and cooking, not really enough to clean with. Older and sick people need more, pets, etc. say 500,000 gallons per day, minimum.

If they have them at the ready, and they don't, they could bring in tanker trucks for you to fill plastic jugs with like the do in drought-ridden countries. Those trucks carry between 5000 and 10000 gallons, about 4 million pounds a day. Lets say 8000 per truck? (truckers would know better).

That's roughty 65 semi trucks, every day, 24 x7, and dispersed across an area that is going to increase as the poison moves downstream. Plus delivery to people on SS who, even though they have been lifted out of poverty by SS (or so I hear) probably can't afford cars, or to buy bottled water.

Who pays for it? The company can't, at least not right now. The feds would likely have to step in, it seems.

They are going into day 3, or is it 4. With none? Is the state hoping to delay long enough not to have to do this? I'd be pissed if they weren't doing it already.


 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
19. I can
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jan 2014

Most in the city can get drinking water but not enough to shower or anything.

There are a patchwork of cities around the affected area that have their own treatment plants that can still treat water.

One of the problems is WV American Water company, a private business that relies on public money has expanded and taken over a lot of small PSD's, closing their local water treatment plants which got their water from empoundments and instead started piping their water all over that is drawn from the Elk which is much more likely to pick up chemicals.

If the legislature had stipulated they had to run the local water treatment plants and kept the jobs in the areas they were expanding into, or even used local water there would be no problem.

Another example of why privatization and also crony capitalism is a menace to the public safety.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
25. Keeping my fingers crossed for you to return to normal soon.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jan 2014

Showering and washing dishes/clothes when we need to is an important part of life.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
10. Here's the kicker: the local private water company had to be told there was a problem
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jan 2014

Local coverage...check the video of the County Commission President

http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/140110_22307.shtml

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
15. The chemical companies and mining companies have used WV as a sewer/petrie dish
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jan 2014

for decades. And our government has done nothing to stop them. Appalachia is one of the most naturally beautiful and bountiful regions of North America, yet the rich criminals have turned it into a scarred ghetto of poverty and sickness.

durablend

(7,455 posts)
18. Better question
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 12:20 PM
Jan 2014

Since the federal gov't is stepping in to send people water, what will the Republicans bitch about needs to be cut to pay for it?

randr

(12,409 posts)
20. Drove though this once pristine State a few years back
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jan 2014

I was appalled at the obvious destruction. Valleys filled with what once were mountain tops. It is as if the whole state has been turned upside down. At least the parts visible from the Interstate I was traveling.
I would nominate WV as a deportation zone for all climate deniers and pollution profiteers.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
22. You'd think WV would be pure Democrat after living through all that coal's done for it.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jan 2014

I live in Appalachia and there's all kinds of coal town remnants on the backroads. People were paid in company script and these towns show it. They unionized, but we lost them somehow. The southern strategy? Sheer stupidity? My god, you drink their crap water and live by their crap mountains and have their crap slurry in your backyards and you vote for them? Ingodfuckingcredible.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
31. Current gov is a Democrat & was Pres WV Senate for 17 years. I believe WV is pretty much
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 03:39 AM
Jan 2014

"pure Democrat".

Arkansas and West Virginia were won by George W. Bush in 2004, but Democrats hold three of the four U.S. Senate and the majority of elected executive officeholders in those states...


Response to KeepItReal (Original post)

doc03

(35,293 posts)
29. You know how you get elected in WV? You blame all the problems in WV on the EPA, Obama's "War
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 04:37 PM
Jan 2014

on Coal" , gun grabbers, gays and godless liberals.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
30. Freedom-Industries, Inc;
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:58 PM
Jan 2014

Is the name of the company charged with this mess; USA, USA, USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I find, well, funny is that one of the 'services' this company provides is;

Water Treatment

http://www.freedom-industries.com/products.html

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