New movie will make NRA ‘wish they weren’t alive,’ says Obama backer Weinstein

[onehandle]

Source: Yahoo News

Famed Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein is no stranger to controversy. But Weinstein says he’s turned his sights on his biggest target yet: the National Rifle Association. “I shouldn’t say this. I’m going to make a movie with Meryl Streep, and we’re going to take this issue head-on and they’re going to wish they weren’t alive after I’m done with them,” Weinstein said during an interview with radio host Howard Stern Wednesday.

“I think the NRA is a disaster area,” Weinstein added, saying, “I don’t think we need guns in this country.” Deadline Hollywood says the movie is currently titled “The Senator’s Wife” and will focus on the NRA’s successful attempts to lobby federal lawmakers against voting for gun control legislation.

Yahoo News has reached out to the NRA, which says it has not yet issued a public statement responding to Weinstein's comments. Yahoo News also reached out to the Weinstein Co. for comment. Weinstein told Stern the film will not be a documentary, but rather a “big movie like a 'Mr. Smith Goes to Washington,'” which he believes will affect the national debate in ways lawmakers have so far been unable to do.

“I think we can do something,” he said. Weinstein has been involved in politics for years and helped raise more than $500,000 for President Barack Obama during his re-election campaign.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/hollywood-obama-donor-says-new-movie-will-make-nra--wish-they-weren-t-alive-213902316.html

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Excellent. Small penises everywhere shrivel more...

[HockeyMom]

1. Would be nice

but I won't hold my breath. I think the only way might be by raising the next generation to feel that they don't want or need guns.

[billh58]

7. I totally agree, but

in order to frame following generations' thinking, we need all of the help we can get to counteract the lies and misinformation that's been spread by the right-wing for decades through the NRA and its supporters and apologists. If this movie exposes the raw political corruption brought about by the NRA, ALEC, and the Koch Brothers, it will be a giant step in the right direction.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

18. That's difficult. Video games make guns fun.

I can't even play most first-person shooters anymore; they're so militaristic that I overdose on the jingoism. I shudder to think of the millions of kids playing Call of Duty and its brethren. When I was growing up the "must play" games had us shooting aliens or demons. Now they turn the player into the American Super-Soldier, wading through the endless barbaric hordes to safe-guard Lady Liberty.

Playing games like this is fairly ubiquitous among young men. I wouldn't expect the next generation to love guns any less than the last. I just hope they are a little more reasonable about sensible gun regulations than the last generation was.

[Bjorn Against]

30. That is partially true, but not entirely

While there certainly are militaristic games like Call of Duty out there, there are also a good number of games that are quite critical of militarism as well. Many people don't realize it but the Grand Theft Auto series is actually satire and it mocks American militarism, the Bioshock series may be shooters but they are very focused on social commentary that is most certainly not militaristic. Even some games that appear militaristic at first glance such as the Metal Gear Solid series actually contain anti-war messages in the story.

I play games and I hate guns in the real world. Many of the games I play do have guns in them, but few if any of them could be accurately described as militaristic. I avoid games like Call of Duty and Battlefield, but there are lots of games even within the shooter genre that do involve the aliens or demons as you mentioned rather than military targets.

[klook]

120. Good info for us non-gamers. Thanks. (n/t)

[go west young man]

178. Very true,,,

Republican Space Rangers is a show that plays on the TVs in the GTA 4 and 5 games and it mocks Republicans so much it is fall down funny. GTA is made in Edinburgh, Scotland I believe, so they have a pretty good outside grip on what really plagues America. Most of it is making fun of the bombastic me me me lifestyle. They even have "Weasel News" which mocks Faux and a bunch of over the top radio personalities that are insane in the game but would be considered normal in America today. It's funny stuff.

[RiverNoord]

31. And I'm afraid I agree with you entirely.

I'm 43 and have been a computer gamer since the Zork text-based games days. I've observed the evolution of video games to such a point that I am just plain appalled by shooters. I've got 4 young nephews who have been growing up on this stuff, and I remember the day one of them was playing Call of Duty - something - and he said 'I wonder what it would be like to do this for real?' He was completely serious, and it was one he imagined a very positive answer to. We talked....

So, I'm afraid I don't see any serious moves toward sensible gun regulations coming from the future generations I've seen...

[olddad56]

34. I'd rather they could find away to do away witn video games more than I wish they could get the guns

[billh58]

51. Myth #8: "Vicious, violent video games" deserve more blame than guns.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

Fact-check: So said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre after Newtown. So what's up with Japan?

Per capita spending on video games: (USA) $44 (Japan) $55
Civilian firearms per 100 people: (USA) 88 (Japan) 0.6
Gun homicides in 2008: (USA) 11,030 (Japan) 11

Same games, but very different cultures...

[olddad56]

53. You can have your opinion, I can have mine....

And by the way, the gun laws in Japan almost prohibit having guns. When I lived in Japan, long ago in the early 70s. You could own a gun, but you had to store in in an armory. You couldn't legally keep one in your home.

And our culture is more being rich, at the time I lived there, theirs was more about being honorable.

Big difference.

[Titonwan]

69. You have your 'opinion' but

billh58 provides facts.
Big difference.

[Shemp Howard]

77. Well, here's another fact

In Switzerland, every reservist has a government-issued assault rifle in his home. And since almost every man between 20 and 30 is in the reserves, there are thousands of assault rifles in private hands.

And yet shootings in Switzerland are rare. Should we use this "fact" to say that the American government should be issuing home assault rifles to every reservist?

Of course not. Switzerland is not the USA. It is difficult to compare "facts" across cultures. olddad56 is correct.

[bobclark86]

92. You do know...

they may have assault rifles, but they can't have ammo, right?

[billh58]

97. If you will notice, I pointed

out the differences in the two cultures in my original post: "same games, but very different cultures." Your Switzerland example is often used by NRA apologists, but a few facts are usually left out of the comparison:

"The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.

When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In cases of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner as a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a permit, which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security."

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp#8LK4MBRe0Pkpce6L.99

My post was in response to the myth that video games are responsible for gun violence in America -- they are not. The American gun culture is responsible for the preponderance of guns and gun violence in this country, and contributes to the USA being number one (by many thousands) in gun deaths and injuries year-after-year. The comparison between Japan (and Switzerland too) and the USA shows what is possible given the right set of guidelines and regulations, and should serve as a goal for Democrats in the reduction of gun violence in this nation.

Yes, you absolutely have the right to your opinion, and I respect that.

[Titonwan]

98. I guess the damned mountains don't have anything at all to do with it.

That country is 99.9 percent white. There'd be a whole lot more cappin' folks if black people decided to move there. (Unless they're stinkin' rich, of course). The only reason countries avoid war in Switzerland is it's not worth the trouble. You can hold off a battalion with an empty wine bottle and a hunk of cheese at them altitudes.
It'd be about as smart as invading Afghanis... oh shit, wait.

[rdharma]

128. All firearms in Switzerland are REGISTERED and controlled! nt

[Shemp Howard]

73. You are so correct!

It is almost meaningless to compare statistics between countries without taking their cultures into account.

[Gore1FL]

42. Video games make video guns fun, at least.

I don't own a gun. I've played every PC available GTA. My son played GTA from his mid teens. He doesn't own a gun.

I realize this is anecdotal, but I'd need to see some evidence of a cause/effect before I'll believe that video games have such an effect.

[reACTIONary]

43. I have ZERO credibilty as a gamer...

... just ask my son ... but zero credibility shouldn't stop anyone from having an opinion.

I don't think video games have any affect on REAL gun lust one way or another. I think they can work as a substitute for the real thing and make restrictions more palatable.

[immoderate]

52. I agree!

Though there may be some people who can't differentiate the real from the make-believe, I suspect their problems don't stem from video games.

--imm

[WcoastO]

48. Yes, it would be nice,

but the NRA is backed by people who can generate hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars to support their bloody cause......and also, I am not going to hold my breath on this issue.

[Kablooie]

54. That will be difficult with things like this being marketed.

[Tx4obama]

2. Audio on DU link below

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017169775

[Loudly]

3. Only disarming them would make them feel THAT bad. n/t

[riqster]

4. Good on him. kick and rec.

[RockaFowler]

8. Seriously??

[Agschmid]

14. Do you think it's on Netflix?

[tomm2thumbs]

9. Welcome to DU !!!

[mac56]

11. . . .

[billh58]

16. And you seriously believe

that the Holocaust was a result of the confiscation of guns? Really?

[uppityperson]

23. Why or how would it have been a better movie? I am sincerely curious. Thank you

[billh58]

26. Of course you

"suggested" that gun confiscation by Hitler led to the Holocaust, which is a right-wing premise that has been totally debunked. Guns would have made a better movie? The countries that Hitler invaded had guns didn't they? The Holocaust was real, and Schindler's List was based on the heroic actions of an individual at the risk of his own life.

Neither the Holocaust, nor the movie has any connection to the gun violence happening in America today, or the USA's ranking as the number one country in the world for gun deaths (many times over). But you knew that before you signed up today to post your little disruptive piece, didn't you?

[erpowers]

36. Post Was Deleted

The post you are responding to has been deleted. Can you tell me what the post said?

[billh58]

38. The premise of the gun troll's

post is explained in my response (confiscation of guns by Hitler caused the Holocaust). I alerted on his(?) first post, but a jury decided to leave it 3-3. Thank goodness for MIRT's ability to detect gun trolls early...

[erpowers]

40. Schindler's List

Your post also mentioned Schindler's List. What did the post say about Schindler's List?

[onehandle]

41. It was the typical screed about how 'libruls need the oven treatment.'

And how even 'Schindler couldn't save us.'

Just your average gun show/McVeigh type propaganda.

[onehandle]

17. I saw this movie where 20 first graders were slaughtered by the fetish of the dickless.

Wait... That wasn't a movie.

So is Obama your Hitler in your fantasy?

[elehhhhna]

22. thank you onehandle.

well said

[Ecumenist]

25. OneHandle, you beat me to it. It was the first thing on my mind when I read that post.

Cheeky & heartless to say the least.

[CreekDog]

20. Well Helllloooooo!

And Gooooodbyeee...

[billh58]

27. Aw, his

pizza came early...

[Cleita]

6. Considering Hollywood is somewhat responsible for making

guns sexy, from westerns, through detective stories and spy thrillers, maybe it's good they take a part in showing them for what they are, instruments for killing and nothing more.

[Tumbulu]

57. Very good point Cleita

I hope that this begins their redemption.

[Archae]

12. I'm not holding my breath.

Especially since this is the same idiot (yes, I said idiot,) who is making "Amityville Horror: The Lost Tapes," and a "Knight Rider" movie.

[Egnever]

44. A guys got to work right?

Would like to see him pull it off though.

[Archae]

50. Pull what off?

He's already said it won't be a documentary, so it'll be one of those asinine "docu-dramas" like they show on the Lifetime Channel.

[truebluegreen]

184. I don't think Meryl Streep "does" movies for the Lifetime Channel.

[Archae]

186. It's not the channel, it's the style.

And "docu-dramas" are notorious for bending or shattering the facts.

Just look at Oliver Stone's "JFK."

[truebluegreen]

187. I didn't know Meryl Streep was in JFK...who did she play?

[Archae]

190. Why do you keep bringing in Merly Streep?

It doesn't matter if Meryl Streep is in the upcoming movie or not, if it's going to be a docu-drama.

As to Streep herself, she was in one.
"Silkwood."

Certain liberties were taken with the story.

[truebluegreen]

194. I was talking about Meryl Streep.

The requirements for making a movie that people will actually watch include telling a good story. Was "Rendition" factually true or was it essentially true? Does it show the dangers of the surveillance state, does it make you think, does it make you aware of the downside of all the claptrap surrounding the War on Terra'?

How do you know about the "liberties" taken in "Silkwood"? Did you know the story before, or did you learn about it after? For most, I'd guess the latter.

Another requirement for a movie that will be seen is a big name, and Meryl Streep is one, with a boatload of integrity. That's why I keep bringing her in, as did Weinstein in the referenced story.

So you weren't impressed with "JFK"; I wasn't either although there were some interesting things. How do you feel about "Platoon"? Did it tell a compelling story, did it make you think?

I guess I don't get your disdain for docudramas, or where you draw the line, or why you suppose this project will be one. But I'm totally in favor of a movie or docudrama or whatever that shines a bright light on the NRA and the destruction they leave in their path. If it grabs the heartstrings and rips them out of one's chest so much the better.

[Cha]

13. The NRA is Killer Mad Dog Gone

Rapid.. needs to be taken down.

Thanks Harvey and Bob!

[NickB79]

19. The same thing was said about "Bowling for Columbine"

And the same thing was said after "Runaway Jury" in 2003:

http://movies.about.com/cs/therunawayjury/a/runawayintgh_3.htm

Over a decade later, and the power of the NRA and other gun lobbies doesn't appear to have diminished in the slightest.

Everything old is new again.

[Doctor_J]

196. and Sicko and Capitalism:A love Story

Anything left of the Koch Brothers is dead before it hits the first screen.

[doc03]

28. Sounds good but Harvey Weinstein and Meryl Streep will

become the enemy of the rabid right. Like all such movies they will probably have limited screenings. I always have to travel to Washington PA (35 miles) to see any movie the right wing doesn't approve of. I hope they stick to facts unlike the so called documentaries Micheal Moore makes.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

56. "Unlike the so called documentaries Michael Moore makes."

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Has MM ever been sued successfully for slander? No.

He tells the truth and has the best libel lawyers at The New Yorker magazine fact-checking single word and image he produces.

Truth is an absolute defense to slander. Slander and libel are torts. I earned my law degree from South Texas College of Law. Where did you get yours??

Conservatives don't like Michael Moore because he tells the truth and they don't like it at all. Is that what your problem is? You don't like the truth??

More info about the fact-checking process:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/fahrenheit-911-facts/faq-about-the-facts-of-fahrenheit-911

[BlancheSplanchnik]

123. ...

[bitchkitty]

80. It's Michael, not Micheal, and what are you talking about?

I'm sure that you won't object to being more specific. What facts in Mr. Moore's movies were wrong? Which movie? Which fact?

I don't think you can answer that.

[doc03]

108. His documentaries are a series of half truths and outright exaggerations. He also uses the

same tired old stunts like talking from a bull horn in from their office in every one of them. I can't give any examples, it has been several years since
I saw one but they are evident when you watch them. I can't give you many examples of Fox News lies but you recognize them
at the time.

[valerief]

115. Whoa. Goodbye forever. nt

[bitchkitty]

125. You can't give ANY examples, evidently.

Or you would give one. As I thought, you have no proof of your accusation.

You don't like Michael Moore. That's fine, but you don't have to spew right wing talking points to try and discredit him.

[strikeforce]

138. i will give you an example

i didn't like the hit he did on charleton heston. the man was out of it.
moore taking advantage of a sick man is disgusting !

his love affair of fidel castro makes me want to vomit also.

he ranks up their with oliver stone and his fantasy movies (jfk and the doors).

i think moores wife has had enough of him too.

[rdharma]

151. A lot of RWers don't like Michael Moore. nt

[chknltl]

160. So what is your subjective take on Breitbart?

You got anything on what Mrs. B thought about him?

[LiberalLovinLug]

182. Come out of the fog of the MSM narrative on Moore

And just look at what he does. Half truths? What is the untrue half you speak about? You can't give examples.

And you don't like him because he used a bull horn in one of his docs? If I recall, it was because some Wall St. company refused to talk to him and answer to the American public for what they did, so he took to using a bull horn from the street to their offices above. And you have a problem with that???

[elzenmahn]

131. "So-Called Documentaries"???

While Michael Moore certainly has a bias, his films are well-researched and well-sourced. He had teams of people doing the research for those films, and to say that they are not fact-based is laughably false. As another post here states, he has never been successfully sued for libel. And he's target #1 for the right wing - you can bet your final dollar that the Right would have pounced at the first semblance of inaccuracy in his work with a lawsuit.

So from which so-called orifice did you pull your so-called comment about Mr. Moore's "so-called" documentaries?

[indepat]

29. Godspeed Mr. Weinstein: may your project result in an veritable plethora of NRA members

giving up their citizenship and becoming expatriots. Good riddance.

[elzenmahn]

132. Be careful of what you wish for...

...there are already people in this country doing just that - the "sovereign citizen" movement.

[truebluegreen]

185. It's "expatriate" which is not the same thing at all.

And it is defined as living outside one's native country, not giving up citizenship. That said, I'd love to see the loops and twirls required for NRA members to find a better milieu for their insanity.


Signed: An Expatriate.

[indepat]

188. Thanks for the education of someone who's never been outside USA except for a few incursions across

the northern and southern borders: my ignorance is bliss.

[truebluegreen]

189. No problem.

[spin]

32. Time to buy stock in Ruger and Smith and Wesson. ...

All the movie will accomplish is to increase the sales in firearms to new record levels. Many gun owners will fear their firearms will be confiscated and run out to clean gun stores out of firearms and ammo just like happened during the last push for gun control.

Sandy Hook Gun-Maker Profits Up 52 Percent In Year Since Massacre
Posted: 12/13/2013 5:26 pm EST | Updated: 12/13/2013 5:28 pm EST

The past 12 months have been unimaginably horrible for the loved ones of the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre a year ago, but they have been just fine for the maker of the gun used in that mass killing.

Freedom Group, also known as Remington Outdoor Company, announced this week that its profits have risen by 52 percent in the year after the tragedy, in which 20 school children and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., were killed with a Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle made by Remington.

The company expects profits in 2013 to reach $235-240 million, up from $156.5 million in 2012, according to an annual financial report released on the company's website.

***snip***

It's been a great year for gun makers generally. Sturm Ruger, the largest US gunmaker, will report earnings up 52 percent and sales up 39 percent over the past year, according to the Financial Times.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/sandy-hook-gun-profits_n_4442034.html

Ammo Suppliers Everywhere Are Reporting Shortages From A Huge Surge In Demand
BRETT LOGIURATO
DEC. 26, 2012, 12:25 PM 8,679 25

The threat of the possibility of new regulation and gun control laws has sent customers scrambling for guns, ammunition and accessories in the wake of the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

Brownells, which describes itself as the world's largest firearm accessories supplier, said it had sold more than 3.5 years' worth of magazines in a 72-hour span. Its president, Pete Brownell, wrote an apology to customers on gun-owner forum AR15.com after complaints arose over a delay in orders placed on the company's website.
http://www.businessinsider.com/ammo-sales-newtown-ct-shooting-sandy-hook-school-brownells-2012-12

2008–13 United States ammunition shortage

The 2008-2014 United States ammunition shortage refers to a shortage of civilian small arms ammunition in the United States that started in late 2008[1] and continued through most or all of 2010, with an additional shortage beginning in December 2012 and continuing throughout 2013. As of September 2011, ammunition for the most scarce calibers, .380 Auto.[2] .45ACP, and .40 S&W pistols — once unavailable at retail stores and gun shops — were again available, but usually with only a few brands or types available.[3] Both firearms and ammunition began selling at a record pace after the 2008 election of President Barack Obama.[4] Cartridge shortages were also experienced for many other popular semiautomatic rifles and pistols.[5] In addition, primers for handloaded ammunition were also in short supply. USA Today reported that in Wyoming, the "run on bullets and reloading components" reached such a "frenzy" that a Cheyenne retailer began rationing sales, and said she was also selling semiautomatic rifles as fast as she could put them on the shelves.[5]

After the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in December 2012, and the perceived likelihood of new firearm control laws being passed by Congress and state governments in response to the shooting, ammunition and firearms were purchased by consumers in large numbers in a pattern often termed "panic buying".[6] This led to a severe shortage of ammunition for most handgun calibers and some rifle calibers (especially the previously easy-to-find and cheaply-priced .22 LR), prompting many manufacturers to drastically increase production rates at their factories.[6] These purchase patterns continued to occur for some time after the failure in Congress to pass the aforementioned firearms laws, and as of August 2013, the rate of consumer purchases of most types of ammunition is slowly receding, but prices continue to be above those found before December 2012 and ammunition for some calibers continues to be difficult to procure.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–13_United_States_ammunition_shortage

[mountain grammy]

35. Makes me ashamed to be an American. Seriously, this has been almost

as depressing as the killings themselves. Our world is full of crazy people arming themselves.

[spin]

37. I looked at the situation realistically and did not run out and buy new firearms. ...

The shortage of ammo did hinder me from going target shooting as often. I've enjoyed target shooting handguns for well over 45 years.

[NickB79]

63. I switched over to pellet guns

It's amazing how much fun it can be to shoot a modern, high-quality air gun. Hell, I even used a .22-cal air rifle for small game hunting this fall, to the detriment of the local squirrels and rabbits.

[Titonwan]

71. I'm with you.

It's cheaper. Quieter- I own a suppressed sound, single cock, high velocity air rifle. I don't hunt with it as squirrels (or anything else but Starlings) isn't on my food list. Killing for anything but for sustenance is sick. Except for Starlings shitting on my bike in the shop...
On proof reading- I want to clarify I don't eat Starlings.

[spin]

109. I don't think Starlings are all that tasty. Still I might be wrong. ...

I found a recipe online that does sound interesting.

Animals: Love them or hate them, we also eat them. And nothing better illustrates just how many of them we eat (and how thoroughly) than Calvin Schwabe’s giant compendium of recipes from every corner of the world, excerpts of which are appearing in Salon this week, Monday through Friday — one recipe each day on the Life and People sites — by kind permission of the University Press of Virginia. This one comes from Turkey where it’s known as “Karatavuk yahnisi.”

“Fry some chopped turnips and carrots. Add a little stock and a glass of red wine. Place some starlings or other small birds in the pan. Add a thin purée of boiled potatoes mashed with beaten eggs, dry mustard, and some stock and a little beer. Cover with stock and cook for about 30 minutes, adding some ripe olives near the end.”
http://www.salon.com/2002/03/08/recipe_birds/

[Titonwan]

121. "and a little beer."

If I'm to eat Starling it'd have to be A LOT of beer!

[spin]

122. Enough beer and almost everything tastes good. (n/t)

[Ranchemp.]

130. Yep.

Just like drink enough beer and any man/woman looks good.

[spin]

104. I also practice with a quality pellet pistol. ...

Doing so can vastly improve your target shooting ability with a firearm. It's also inexpensive once you get past the initial cost of the weapon.

[billh58]

39. +100

A great many good Americans are indeed shamed by this country's abysmal gun violence rate, and the apparent vulnerability of a few gun zealots to the NRA's scare tactics.

[NYC_SKP]

45. I know I am!

But I'm also happy to know that a growing number of progressives are catching on to the idea that we can have both: we can have a safer society and remain armed in a safe and responsible manner. It's going to take a bunch of adults in the room from both sides of the debate, but we are moving closer and closer to that point in our society where the fearmongers are overshadowed by the voices of reason.

Your contributions are always appreciated as part of the context of the great debate, billh58!

[Hoyt]

114. You might be right because gun fanciers are a callous bunch. Even some of the Gungeoneers bragged

about running out to buy a gun similar to that used at Sandy Hook.

Who can forget the Bushmaster advertising campaign aimed at these low IQ/testosterone gun fanciers? Bushmaster knows it's market.

[spin]

119. What most people who wish to ban the AR-15 don't realize is why it is so popular. ...

It's easy to assume that it appeals to "low IQ/low testosterone gun fanciers" as you suggest and in some cases that is true. There was a craze to buy a .44 Magnum revolver after the Dirty Harry movies hit the screen. Prior to this series of movies few people with the exception of big game hunters had any desire to own this weapon as the older .357 Magnum was known as the most powerful handgun that the average person could handle and accurately shoot. The .357 Magnum had the reputation of being very adequate for home defense and for hunting game such as deer or hog. ("Shall issue" concealed carry was not common at that time.)

Many of the gun fanciers watched the movies and decided to buy a .44 Magnum revolver. Most found it to be a difficult firearm to master but the experience was challenging and somewhat exhilarating. Even so it never became a popular home defense weapon and even when concealed carry laws swept across our nation, this handgun was too large and heavy to gain popularity among this group of shooters.

Of course many people who had little or no experience with shooting handguns also bought a .44 Magnum and most regretted that decision. Some even ended up injured when they first tried to fire this handgun as they were not prepared for the recoil and ended up with a nasty gash on their forehead. Still it was great fun to own "the most powerful handgun in the world" as advertised in the Dirty Harry movies.

Of course movies can and do influence people. In many movies the AR-15 or the fully automatic M16 are used by the both the heroes and the villains. Obviously this is a prime factor in the sale of the AR-15.

Prior to the assault weapons ban the AR-15 was largely viewed by the shooting community as an inaccurate, underpowered and unreliable rifle. One way to create a demand for any item is for the government to "ban" it. Our nation banned alcohol and drugs and both became even more popular after the ban. The sad reality of the assault weapons ban is that it didn't ban semi-auto rifles like the AR-15 but merely items like flash suppressors or bayonet lugs on these weapons. The manufacturers simply stopped making AR-15s with these cosmetic features. AR-15s and even high capacity magazines were always readily available during the "ban." The companies that manufactured hii-cap magazines went to a 24/7 schedule to make as many as possible before the cut off date and made a fortune selling them during the ban.

A few shooters decided to see what all the fuss was about and bought an AR-15. They reported to other shooters that the current models were accurate and reliable and fun to shoot. Shortly after the demand for the AR-15 increased dramatically and other companies began to market aftermarket parts for the AR-15.

Today the modular design of the AR-15 makes it the "swiss army knife" of rifles. An owner can order parts on the net and be able to quickly modify his AR-15 without the services of a gunsmith. One day he can take it out for some fun plinking cans and the next complete at a match with a highly accurate target rife. He can easily modify its length so it will be suitable to teach shooting to his children or for his wife to use. He can hunt varmints one day and the next swap out some parts and modify the weapon to fire a much more powerful round suitable for hunting large deer, mouse or bear. One rifle can do a number of tasks and may well prove cheaper than owning several.

Of course many gun owners are mechanically inclined and therefore a weapon that is so easy to modify appeals to them.

I don't yet own an AR-15 as I have no real use for one. I rarely shoot a rifle as I am a handgunner. I don't hunt. The AR-15 may be an excellent choice as a home defense weapon in a rural area, but I live in a small city. (That may change if I move to a rural area with enough room to set up a target range.)

It's not surprising to me that Bushmaster published the advertisement you showed. Other companies often do the same. Just watch many of the car commercials broadcast on TV.

For example this one:

http://m.

&feature=plpp&list=PLC32EA787215EC61E

[tiny elvis]

191. sweet

harry's magnum is most enjoyable good toy
one day an owner can leave the ar15 propped in the corner
was it loaded? surely not
cause the kids know better than to play with the totally safe toy he showed them how to use
the next day he can outfit it to destroy all his enemies
for the challenge and exhilaration

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[spin]

203. There are 80,000,000 firearm owners in our nation. ...

The absolute overwhemling number store their weapons properly and do not run around committing mass murders. If my statement was incorrect we would have far more children dying every year from firearm accidents and many more mass murders.

In the last several decades the number of children killed in tragic firearm accidents has dropped significantly. This is undoubtedly due to the public attention this issue has caused. Still we can do better.

A top quality gun safe is quite expensive but a good locking gun cabinet or a locking gun box can easily be afforded by almost all of our citizens.

For less than $30 a gun owner can buy a electronic lock box from Amazon.com that will secure handguns from access by young children yet the owner can quickly open it in an emergency. It makes far more sense than hiding a handgun under your mattress or in a dresser drawer.
http://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-ESB-3-Electronic-Security-Cubic/dp/B003ELKOOO/ref=sr_1_13?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1390242509&sr=1-13&keywords=gun+lock+boxes

Amazon.com also offers a locking gun cabinet that will hold 8 rifles for shotguns for $109.99.
http://www.amazon.com/Stack-On®-gun-Security-Cabinet/dp/B000W1QKUG/ref=sr_1_24?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1390242777&sr=1-24&keywords=gun+cabinet+for+rifles

It might save the lives of some children if public service announcements were run on TV to show how inexpensive and easy it is the store firearms in order to prevent access by children.

Unfortunately, many gun control advocates feel the solution is to ban and confiscate all civilian owned firearms. This is one reason why gun owners largely ignore anything gun control advocates suggest.

Any close examination of those individuals who committed a mass murder will show that the majority ran around waving numerous red flags prior to running amok. Some were totally ignored by their families and the authorities but many did try to get help for their severe mental problems. It should be fairly obvious that our mental healthcare system needs significant improvement. (Perhaps it will under the ACA.)

Sadly our NICS background check for the purchase of firearms often does not flag those who have been legally adjudged as having serious mental problems and consequently they can buy very lethal firearms at a local gun store. Fortunately President Obama may be taking measures to correct this problem.

[blockquote
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 3, 2014

Contact: HHS Press Office
202-690-6343

Obama administration takes additional steps to strengthen the federal background check system

Today, as part of President Obama’s continuing efforts to reduce gun violence, the Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) to remove unnecessary legal barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule that may prevent states from reporting certain information to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

The NICS helps to ensure that guns are not sold to those prohibited by law from having them, including felons, those convicted of domestic violence, and individuals involuntarily committed to a mental institution. To date, background checks have prevented over two million guns from falling into the wrong hands.

However, the background check system is only as effective as the information that is available to it. According to a 2012 Government Accountability Office report, 17 states had submitted fewer than 10 records of individuals prohibited for mental health reasons. Additional records have been submitted over the past year as a result of federal and state actions, but there is more work to be done.

“There is a strong public safety need for this information to be accessible to the NICS, and some states are currently under-reporting or not reporting certain information to the NICS at all,” said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “This proposed rulemaking is carefully balanced to protect and preserve individuals’ privacy interests, the patient-provider relationship, and the public’s health and safety.”
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2014pres/01/20140103a.html

[tiny elvis]

208. banning your toys is a solution

you ignore it because you can
you can because you are nra
you pretend there is a vague premise to your ignorance without naming it
it is only because you are backed by the nra
your vague, alternate suggestion could be interpreted as totalitarian control of deviant people
anything but the toys
the deliberate ignorance is excruciating to witness
more so when you spin it sweetly than when others practice it crudely, without self awareness

[spin]

209. You have every right to try to ban my 'toys". ...

But I fear it is a misguided mission with little or no chance of success.

An effort like that reminds me of Don Quixote and his quests. Still, if you enjoy tilting at windmills, have fun.



The truly sad part is that people who do wish to ban and confiscate firearms have made it impossible to pass much needed improvements to our national gun laws.

[Deep13]

206. Interesting. I find the .357 to be a handful...

even with the N-frame, all steel, M.27 with 8.45" barrel. That's a lot of mass, but the recoil is still considerable. I've never considered going to .44 mag. since it has even more recoil, is even more expensive to shoot, and paper targets don't put up much of a fight anyway.

[spin]

207. Years ago I was having a difficult time shooting a good score on the target range ...

with a target grade .45 automatic pistol. I could post a fairly high score with a .22 caliber target pistol and with a revolver using .38 caliber target ammo. When I loaded my revolver with .357 magnum ammo, my scores also dropped. Obviously I was sensitive to recoil.

My solution was to buy a .44 magnum revolver which many seem to make little sense. There is no doubt that the recoil level of a .44 magnum can be oppressive and some other shooters told me that I would most likely develop a bad habit of "flinching" by shooting my new handgun.

Fortunately I was also reloading my own ammo at the time. I was able to reduce the level of my loads to a more manageable level and gradually increase the power to a maximum load. I probably fired several thousand .44 magnum loads downrange.

I found that by doing so, my shooting ability with my .45 auto and my revolver while shooting .357 magnum loads increased significantly as the recoil level of both weapons was no longer a significant factor.

Now I take a .44 magnum revolver out to the range perhaps once a year for kicks and grins.

Of course the .44 magnum is hardly the "most powerful handgun in the world" today, but I have little desire to own a more powerful handgun.

[Deep13]

202. idiotic...

I suppose sellers of other products do the same kind of thing--I seem to remember Burger King having an ad claiming it wasn't "chick food"--but the imagery of a gun as a phallic symbol is so widely known that the advertiser seems to be counting on the association.

[raven mad]

124. I wish you could see gun-counter panic

up here when ammo gets in short supply! Of course, folks forget that the real gun nuts also do their own reloading.

[spin]

126. True. Many shooters reload their own ammo. It usually is less expensive that buying factory ...

ammo and you can tailor the loads to your individual firearm and find an extremely accurate load.

Reloading ammo is a fairly simple process and the equipment is not expensive. Of course there are some safety rules that you should follow.

I reloaded handgun ammo for over 20 years. I would usually reload 100 to 200 rounds a week for my weekly trips to the range.

[raven mad]

127. Just remember to save your brass! Pardon the following rant; I'm not mad at anybody!

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Just responding to a new friend who knows where I'm coming from! I'm broke and poor; my guns are old (one was a donation from my stepson) but kept in great shape. They help feed us.

I don't consider myself a "gun nut", as I can't afford a "collection". I keep a shotgun (bird hunting, and smallish game, but don't try 'em on rabbits/hares, it destroys the meat, which is the only reason I hunt), a rifle for larger game and on long winter trips (bear, moose, caribou) and one handgun for summer hikes. The handgun serves well to scare the heck out of the bear and moose on the trail. Bear in our parks become habituated mostly due to careless campers leaving out food and/or waste - the blackies are easy to spook. The grizzlies? Not so much. Now, more toward

Although I've never, ever known a reloader (and have been shooting target, skeet and hunting stuff for 45+ years) who could decently reload a shotgun shell! I know the tech is out there, but the patience is beyond most folks! A bunch of us got together many years ago and put reloading equipment in the basement of a friend's house; it's safe, it's locked up. We have all known each other 40 or more years and have keys ONLY to the reloading room, not the house. Or even the rest of the basement! It's work, but it's also comradeship. Nobody drinks/smokes and everyone pays attention if operating that blasted "chunker".

I don't even leave any gun where the cats could accidentally knock it over, let alone anywhere near a child. Someone breaking in here could find them - if they knew where the trapdoor was!

These guns are not for "home defense" or "Stand Your Ground" bullshit. They're necessary for a way of life we've embraced. I'd rather shoot with a camera unless I've got a hot moose tag (it's a lottery system except for the indigenous, which is really only fair - unless you ask an NRA member or some fuckin' fundie).

And yes, the hides get used, too. We don't use 4-wheelers unless it's really big game (moose go to a full ton here). We pack out. We don't take trophies.

Caribou herd in ANWR taken a few years back by a bush pilot friend (we were flying out some dogs for vet care):

AND as a final thought:

THE NRA SUCKS HUGE, GREEN, DISEASED AND DRIPPING COCKROACH DICKS. Take THAT, LaPierre, you perverted mother fu*ker!

[erpowers]

33. I Doubt It

I could be wrong, but I think it will end up being the other way around. At least for Meryl Streep. I say Streep because as far as I know Harvey Weinstein is a producer so he most likely won't be hurt unless the NRA goes after every actor and actress who appears in one of his films in an attempt to intimidate them in order to get them to turn down film roles in his projects.

I do not think the NRA will back down because of a movie. They most likely will stand strong and proud in the face of the movie. They might even put out some fact sheet claiming the film is all wrong and just a left wing hit piece. They may also go as far as to link the movie to President Obama and the 2016 Democratic nominee and claim, Democrats now more than ever are going to attempt to enact gun control.

[reflection]

66. Agree with you.

This will mobilize the red meat right even more than they are now, and probably increase their turnout in the next few elections that follow. But politics have to take a back seat to a message this important.

[ReRe]

46. K&R

All he has to do is tell the story of what is going on in Congress that Congressmen/women won't speak of because of backlash. I say go for it, Weinstein.

[geek tragedy]

47. The gun-humper universe has very little overlap with the world of Meryl Streep fans nt

[nxylas]

173. That was my first thought as well

The movie, if it's any good, might garner some critical acclaim, maybe even some Oscars, but it'll be preaching to the choir.

[CBHagman]

49. Intriguing.

This is the first I've heard of it. Of course it's unclear how this will turn out, but given the role entertainment plays in shaping public opinion, it might be big news.

[Ranchemp.]

55. Harvey Weinstein is a hypocrite,

he rails against the NRA and says that americans shouldn't be allowed to own guns, yet, he's produced several movies featuring guns and violence, Pulp Fiction, Django Unchained, Kill Bill 1,2,3, Inglourious Basterds, etc.

I'll just bet that the NRA is shaking in, not fear, but laughter.

[shedevil69taz]

58. The number of movies he has made his fortune on that feature gun violence

is quite absurd actually, considering NOW he wants to try and do something about it.

[Ranchemp.]

59. And that exactly why I consider him a hypocrite. eom

[alp227]

60. you are repeating right wing talking points.

do you not think it's possible to enjoy action films and be anti violence in real life?

[NickB79]

62. Is Pres. Obama repeating RW talking points as well?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/191523-obama-to-hollywood-think-about-gun-violence

President Obama urged a room of Hollywood executives and employees on Tuesday to "think long and hard" about the messages gun violence sends in movies.

"We gotta make sure that we're not glorifying it," Obama told the crowd at DreamWorks studio, adding that movie executives had a "big responsibility" to the viewing public. "Because the stories you tell shape our children's outlook and their lives."

[JackInGreen]

65. On that note

you're damn right he is repeating right wing talking points.
His bit about 'the stories you tell shape our children's outlook and their lives'...the movies listed about from Weinstein I do believe all have ratings that should keep them out of the hands of the children of sensible and aware parents.
It's a false equivalency that the NRA loves.

[Titonwan]

74. Exactly.

This is supposed to be an expose on how power works for big arms manufacturers and how they possess undue power over our 'representatives' in Congress.
Just like AIPAC does. It's not democratic in the least.
There's fantasy and then there's reality. He's making a movie of the latter.

[bobclark86]

94. But he has a point...

"The movies listed about from Weinstein I do believe all have ratings that should keep them out of the hands of the children of sensible and aware parents."

Umm... middle and high school students who haven't seen Pulp Fiction and Inglorious Bastards are, well, Bible-thumping homeschoolers. That or just really, really lame.

Pretty sure we watched Pulp Fiction on a 6th grade bus trip, actually...

[hughee99]

68. Do you not think it's a little hypocritical to MAKE action films and claim no responsibility

for the glorifying of violence that occurs in those movies?

[alp227]

105. In whose mind is the violence glorified?

The director's or the viewer's? Most viewers recognize that movies are generally artistic expressions not ways to tell you how to live.

[hughee99]

107. Violence is glorified in the viewers mind, as it was intended to be by the director.

The good guy "gets justice" or "fixes the problem" or saves the world through violence. Are you okay with movies that try to make racism, sexism, or homophobia appear okay? After all, it's just artistic expression, not telling anyone how to live.

[alp227]

110. Well, again, entertainment can't be all sunshine and flowers.

Sometimes, immorality can make for a compelling story with the right filmmaker. Like Dexter.

[hughee99]

111. I agree completely, I just think someone who produces art

that glorifies, tries to justify, minimize or whitewash a certain behavior loses some credibility when they personally complain about it. Imagine D.W. Griffith decrying the KKK after putting out "Birth of a Nation" (granted it's a much more extreme example than Weinstein).

[Paladin]

113. Would you be any happier if Woody Allen was making the movie? (nt)

[hughee99]

116. I don't have a problem with Weinstein making the movie,

but I still see a little bit of hypocrisy in it.

[onehandle]

70. Aww... Are gun trolls wetting their depends at the prospects of a widdle movie?

We should ask some.

[Ranchemp.]

72. Do you deny that he's made millions from those movies?

Wouldn't that make him a hypocrite? It's an easy question.

[frylock]

78. most intelligent people are able to discern between art and reality

[Ranchemp.]

81. DO YOU DENY THAT HE MADE MILLIONS FROM THESE MOVIES?

It's really a simple question.

Did he profit from these movies featuring guns and violence?
If so, wouldn't that make him a hypocrite?

[frylock]

84. where did i deny that?

no, I don't for a fucking second believe him to be a hypocrite. that shit opinion is straight up right wing boilerplate.

[Ranchemp.]

85. Why is it RW boilerplate if it's the truth?

And he is a hypocrite, he says that guns don't belong in America, yet he profits from his movies involving guns and violence. How is that not hypocrisy?

Weinstein added, saying, “I don’t think we need guns in this country.”

If all he did was go after the NRA, I would have no problem with that, but he's basically saying that Americans have no right to firearm ownership.

[frylock]

91. i'm sorry that you're unable to differentiate between fiction and reality.

good day to you.

[Ranchemp.]

95. The reality is that his fiction

makes him millions while decrying the fact that there are firearms in this country and he wants to get rid of them.

[hughee99]

100. Exactly, there are FICTIONAL stories and REALITY. One has no real impact on the other

because most people can tell the difference. This must be why he's making a FICTIONAL movie that he's expecting will have REAL WORLD consequences for the NRA.

[LanternWaste]

101. There are precise and relevant differences in the the observation...

"“I don’t think we need guns in this country” versus "he's basically saying that Americans have no right to firearm ownership..."



There are precise and relevant differences in the the observations of what a culture may or may not have absolute need of, and what the enumerated rights are in that particular county.

However, I readily understand that bias needs to conflate issues to better validate itself, and that many sub-literate and under-educated individuals are unable to grasp the difference between depicting a thing, and the thing itself.

[Ranchemp.]

87. I'm astounded that you don't find this as rank hypocrisy.

Let me ask you this hypothetical question, suppose Mr. Weinstein had come out and said that he was going to make a pro 2A movie? What would your reaction be?

[frylock]

90. i wouldn't go and see it.

[bigworld]

61. Here's the audio of the interview

[2banon]

106. I just finished listening to this interview.. didn't hear any mention of this subject...

Discussed a wide range of past, present, and future (Judy Garland Story) projects, but I heard nothing mentioned on this subject. Maybe I missed it. Do you have the time stamp handy by any chance?

[Kingofalldems]

64. Gun freepers not liking this one.

Kick and Rec.

[Titonwan]

67. He's produced Michael Moore movies...

... so I hope he has MM as a consultant (at least). Look forward to seeing this!
K&R

[Paladin]

75. Ted Nugent: Weinstein is a "subhuman punk"

That didn't take long, did it?

At this point, I'm figuring that Weinstein and Streep are each receiving hundreds, if not thousands of death threats from pro-gun extremists---with many of Streep's threats containing some amazingly sick rape promises. I'm sure that bumper stickers are in the works ("Come And Take It, Harvey" will be one of the milder ones). And targets featuring Weinstein's face are being cranked out, for use at rifle ranges. These are all safe bets, because this is how pro-gun absolutists have responded in the past. Down the road, there will be threats of violence against theaters that plan on showing this movie. Again, it's to be expected.

Some of our DU Gun Enthusiasts have been commenting lately about the "culture war" implicit in the gun rights debate. Well here it is, in all its sick, twisted glory. Which side would you rather be on?

[Ranchemp.]

134. Yes, Teddy is a sub human that no reasonable person should listen to,

doesn't change the fact that Mr. Weinstein has made millions off his movies depicting firearms use and violence, therefore, that makes him a hypocrite.

[Paladin]

136. Is that all you've got? (nt)

[Ranchemp.]

137. "Is that all you've got?"

Can you refute it? Or, is that all you got?

[Paladin]

139. Offer up some refutations of what I said in post #75, then maybe we'll talk. (nt)

[Ranchemp.]

140. I'm not refuting that he and she are probably receiving threats,

but can you honestly say that he's not a hypocrite?

[Paladin]

141. Like I said up-thread: you wouldn't be any happier if Woody Allen was making this movie.

And this conversation is over.

[Ranchemp.]

142. This conversation is over because you can't refute what I've said.

It's a very simple question, is Mr. Weinstein a hypocrite or not?
He makes millions on his movies depicting violent firearms use, but then slams the NRA (rightly so) and then goes on to say that firearms don't belong in this country, which means that Americans don't have a right to own firearms, how in the world does that not make him a hypocrite?

[Kingofalldems]

143. He's making the movie. Too bad you don't like it.

[Ranchemp.]

145. My BESTEST BUDDY!

How the hell are you today?
Are you here for another session of bonding? I so look forward to you making your presence known. Really, I do.
Maybe you can answer, is he a hypocrite or not? I really, really value your input on this!!!!!

[hack89]

167. Why can't I be right in the middle?

Ignore the insulting, frothing at the mouth extremists on both sides of the issue and support reasonable laws like UBCs while enjoying shooting sports with my friends and family. The vitriol gets old - I just tune it out now.

[Paladin]

179. You've never been, and never will be, "right in the middle" on the guns issue.

Shit, you're on another DU thread right this moment, making common cause with domestic abusers who want their guns returned. Domestic abusers, for the love of God. You're not fooling anybody, at this point.

[hack89]

180. Please stop lying

All I did in that thread was point out the actual legal issue in front of the court. Perhaps you missed my post where I explicitly said that men who use physical violence or the threat of harm with a deadly weapon should lose their guns.

Lying for a good cause is still lying.

[NoGOPZone]

183. .

[louis-t]

76. "I WAS IN THE POOL!"

-George Costanza

[frylock]

79. wingers are already shitting their pants and trying to get ahead of this..

Lord Rafael of the Seven Summits was on foxsnooze puffing his chest.

[onehandle]

82. A pedophile draft-dodging chickenhawk speaks for them all...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024345892

[alp227]

147. Law-abiding gun owner...NOT.

Why is Teddy so revered asking American right wingers?

[Ranchemp.]

149. Beats the hell out of me!!!

Why is this chickenhawk, pedophile motherfucker not in prison yet? I would love to be the one to pick him up on federal child abuse charges and deliver him to Florence, CO's federal supermax prison.

[rdharma]

152. Why would he go to a federal prison?

Generally child abuse charges are handled by state or local authorities and prosecuted under state laws.

I'm surprised you don't know that.

[Ranchemp.]

153. Federal child abuse charges, also, threatening a U.S. President.

But, if you want to debate this, I'll be more than happy to.

[rdharma]

154. Under certain specified conditions only.

Sure... I'd be happy to discuss your "Nugent to the club Fed" fantasies.

[Ranchemp.]

156. They may be fantasies, but, they're my fantasies. eom.

[rdharma]

158. Don't get me wrong...... I believe the Nuge belongs in prison.

But he won't be put in a federal lockup for child abuse unless there are certain circumstances involved.

[Ranchemp.]

162. Believe me, I'm with you that the Nuge belongs in the lock-up,

and I know that certain conditions have to be met for federal charges, but, I can only hope that he meets these conditions and I get to frog march his RW ass to federal court before I retire in April.

[tblue]

83. YAAY!!!! I'll go see it!

People can pooh pooh it all they want. At least somebody's trying to do something that informs the public and might make a positive change. I'm all for that!

[Duckhunter935]

86. He just hires bodyguards

That I assume are armed with what....... guns

Apparently The Weinstein Company (who’s distributing the film) have been getting harassed and receiving weird phone calls, prompting Harvey Weinstein to hire additional security guards

http://www.uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2012/09/harvey-weinstein-harassed-by-scientologists-hires-bodyguards/

[friendly_iconoclast]

88. I'm sure he supports everyones right to hire armed bodyguards...

[onehandle]

89. 'Rich people don't have a right to speak, because they can afford security'

NRA Talking Point #187

[Ranchemp.]

96. Can't refute the poster

so, instead, bring up another NRA Talking Point, which, BTW, I can't seem to find on the NRA website.
Link? Please?

[Duckhunter935]

166. He can't

the NRA talking point is bullshit they make up. Say it enough and some just believe it, very gullible I must say myself.

[frylock]

93. i suppose you can thank loco right-wing shitbags for him having to beef up security

[Titonwan]

99. Until this gun fetish is abolished

what would you have him protect himself with? Sternly worded rhetoric? Have hunted all my life, but there's limits to the cray-cray.

[Ranchemp.]

150. Security guards are trained to handle guns?

[sarisataka]

157. I have never been more terrified at a shooting range

than when security guards were there for "training"

No prior training before arriving at the range. While standing at the line, with live ammunition, the "trainer" (for lack of a better term) is explaining to the guard (holding a gun for the first time in her life) that pulling the trigger will make the gun fire. First five shots hit the floor twice, a wall, the ceiling and the paper outside of the scoring area. Second five hit the floor, three on the paper (one in the eight ring, one in the seven, one outside of scoring) and one miss into the back stop. -Qualification done. Next!

The five guards who were "trained" were going to provide armed security at one of the nations largest gem shows the next day. Less qualified guards (!) would provide unarmed security.

[Kingofalldems]

102. Kick again for the gun republicans.

[Ranchemp.]

103. Good morning.

or afternoon, depending what part of the country you live in.
Just out of curiosity, who are the "gun republicans'?

[Ash_F]

112. Maybe if they went to prison they would wish that.

I don't think a film is an adequate consequence.

[hack89]

117. Guns and genitalia

How much does Wayne pay you to post such nonsense?

[godevil10]

118. Says pot to kettle. Weinstein has made some

very violent, gun use heavy films. Is,he swearing off making them?

[DeltaLitProf]

175. He has also made some movies that make guns look dangerous,

. . . and their use look like very bad choices.

Do you remember the accidental killing of the young man in the backseat of the car during Pulp Fiction? It took place because Travolta's character was handling his gun rather carelessly. I'll never forget that scene.

[rdharma]

129. Your thread has really ticked off the gun huggers!

Wow!

[hack89]

133. Yes and no

His hypocracy pisses us off but the proposed movie does not. It is hard to see a political movie with a moralizing agenda becoming a huge hit. Those are not the kind of movies that become blockbusters.

[Ranchemp.]

135. His thread? No.

Mr. Weinstein? Yes!
Mr. Weinstein is nothing more that a Hypocrite, he made millions on his movies depicting firearms use and violence while at the same time, bashing the NRA and saying that guns don't belong in this country.

[Kingofalldems]

144. NRA is basically a repulican organization.

Among other statements their leader claimed Obama would use Medicare to register guns. You seem to be a HUGE supporter based on your responses in this thread. Please explain.

[Ranchemp.]

146. Because we've grown so close over the last few days and I consider you

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my BESTEST BUDDY, just for you, I'll explain, the NRA is nothing more than a RW mouth piece for the repubs, and if Mr. Weinstein had stuck to just that, then I would have no problem with his making the movie, however, he went on to say that he believes that guns shouldn't be allowed in this country, ergo, Americans have no right to firearm ownership, yet, he's made millions off his movies depicting guns and violence.

THAT MAKES HIM A HYPOCRITE.

[Kingofalldems]

155. Looks like you agree with the conservatives:

From the article: "Conservative critics are going after Weinstein, calling him a hypocrite for opposing Second Amendment rights while producing several films with gun violence...."

Goodness.

[Ranchemp.]

159. Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C'mon BESTEST BUDDY, you can do a better smear than that!!!! What happened to our bonding sessions? I really thought that we were making progress with our friendship?
Are you back to making unfounded accusations? I really, really hope we can move past this and cement our newfound camaraderie.

[Kingofalldems]

164. How was that a smear? You are saying the same things the conservatives

are saying. In fact I actually smeared you, you should alert.

[Ranchemp.]

165. Told you before, I don't do alerts, not worth the time.

You practically accused me of being a RW'er without actually saying so, but, I can move past this if you can BESTEST BUDDY. Do we have an accord?

[Hoyt]

161. So now he's changed his mind. Better than going through life a gun lover/promoter.

People change for the better, gun fanciers ought to give it a try.

[Ranchemp.]

163. LOL.

Believe me Hoyt when I say that I take anything you say with a HUGE smile.

[IveWornAHundredPants]

170. Ranchemp, I genuinely don't understand your point regarding this supposed hypocrisy.

Weinstein has produced many movies in which guns are used: Pulp Fiction, Django Unchained, etc. etc. I have seen all these movies, and not once did I leave the theater feeling more kindly disposed towards guns. In fact, it was the opposite. So I would argue that there's not much "glorification" going on there.

I would also argue that these movie are works of fiction, and the guns in them, which are being handled by fictional people and not actually harming anyone, are actually props. So I'd have a difficult time thinking that Weinstein made his fortune from guns, because though the things you see in the movies are meant to represent real guns, they are not actually real.

I think you need to reserve your cries of "hypocrisy!" for when, say, the executives of the Remington company start decrying guns and gun culture. (Or shaving and shaving culture for that matter - is that the same company?)

[Ranchemp.]

171. He's a hypocrite because he's made millions

producing movies depicting guns and violence and he's stated that he doesn't believe that guns don't belong in the U.S.
If he had stopped at just condemning the NRA, no problem.

And, I'll reserve my cry of hypocrisy for those that I think are guilty of it, like Mr. Weinstein.

[IveWornAHundredPants]

176. I still don't see the connection.

He hasn't made millions having anything to do with guns. The guns in the movie aren't real. If the country was filled with fake guns that couldn't hurt anyone (or wouldn't hurt them as frequently, considering the Jon Eric Hexum case for instance), that probably wouldn't bother him.

And if indeed he's stated that "he doesn't believe that guns don't belong in the U.S.," it sounds like the two of you are in accord anyway.

[Ranchemp.]

177. Well, then, I can't help you.

If you can't see the hypocrisy then, you'll never see it. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[IveWornAHundredPants]

181. If you can't see the fact that there's no actual hypocrisy, then I can't help you, either.

You're still free to call him a hypocrite, of course. You're also free to call him green with purple spots. It's a free country.

[Ranchemp.]

193. Slip up, meant to say he believes that guns don't belong in this country.

And he's still a hypocrite.

[BainsBane]

168. They aren't alive

They are ghoulish zombies that feed off human life.

[hack89]

169. And just how many Hollywood movies have ever influenced the national discourse

In such a significant way? I think his ego is getting in the way of rational thought.

[SansACause]

172. They're not really alive

They 're like some death robot sent on a killing spree from the past.

[4_TN_TITANS]

174. Ok, but how safe will it be to see this

in a theater?

[valerief]

192. Well, a lot of us already wish the NRA wasn't alive. nt

[Doctor_J]

195. If you're lucky enough to live near one of the 4 theaters that will screen this,

go see it. Hate Radio, Big Media, and Cabal News will make sure this barely sees the light of day

[onehandle]

197. It's going to be a big theatrical release with big stars, not a documentary.

And this pre-announcement is to make sure that the press is ready to talk about it extensively, thus driving up ticket sales.

[Doctor_J]

198. So was Matewan. So was Runaway Jury.

The big corporations will make sure this is goes away real fast.

[Ranchemp.]

199. So was Green Zone, and if I remember correctly,

it too was a box office flop.
Still haven't seen it.

[Doctor_J]

200. And Salvador and Romero and Burn

I will hope for this movie to succeed but the forces will be against it

[Ranchemp.]

201. If he goes after just the NRA, then, more power to him,

but his statement saying he doesn't believe guns belong in this country leads me to believe that he has a different agenda other than vilifying the NRA, hope he sticks to just exposing the NRA without the no american should own guns nonsense. Time will tell.

BTW, I still think he's a hypocrite, he makes millions on his movies depicting gun use and violence, yet he abhors the NRA, (rightly so) and thinks that Americans shouldn't have the right to own firearms.

[spin]

204. If he is successful in destroying the NRA, it will just be replaced by the much more conservative ..

GOA. (Gun Owners of America).

[Ranchemp.]

205. True.

Mr. Weinstein should be careful what he wishes for, it could have unintended consequences.