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George II

(67,782 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 02:31 PM Jan 2014

GWB scandal: Port Authority won't pay legal bills for David Wildstein

Source: Bergen Record

The Port Authority will not pick up the legal bills of a former executive at the center of an investigation into the George Washington Bridge access lane closures.

On Friday morning the agency notified David Wildstein, the agency executive who ordered the September lane closures, that it had turned down his request for indemnification, a Port Authority source familiar with the decision said. The notification said Wildstein's request "would not be warranted" under the agency's bylaws, the source said.

Those by-laws state that the Port Authority will provide current and former employees with legal representation if the action in question fell within their job duties, according to its bylaws. It will not pay if there was fraud, malice, misconduct or intentional wrongdoing, the bylaws state.

The decision puts additional financial pressure on Wildstein at a time when several investigations into the lane closures proceed. The U.S. Attorney's Office is investigating whether any federal laws were broken. There is a separate legislative investigation by a panel with subpoena power.



Read more: http://www.northjersey.com/news/state/Port_Authority_wont_pay_legal_bills_for_David_Wildstein_in_GWB_controversy.html



Can't believe he actually asked the Port Authority to pay for his legal bills. That's chutzpah!
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GWB scandal: Port Authority won't pay legal bills for David Wildstein (Original Post) George II Jan 2014 OP
I can! JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #1
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #17
Exactly! JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #20
I never really understood ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #27
Because if you act within the scope of your duties it is your employer's problem ... musiclawyer Jan 2014 #29
That was my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #30
And on that flip side of that, wouldn't the Christie side want to pay for his attorney pnwmom Jan 2014 #32
I agree.. sendero Jan 2014 #42
This also means he will sing like a canary cosmicone Jan 2014 #2
Only one thing to do Dave Botany Jan 2014 #3
LOL. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #13
The guy has some kind of "brass". SoapBox Jan 2014 #4
He's from a wealthy family and I don't think that's a problem for him. n/t factsarenotfair Jan 2014 #5
... just another lazy 'taker', livin' on handouts ... Myrina Jan 2014 #6
Probably expects "Uncle Sugar" to pay for his Viagara too! George II Jan 2014 #7
LOL nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #25
Probably Won't Pay Bill Baroni's Either TheOther95Percent Jan 2014 #8
Every time I see GWB............ mrmpa Jan 2014 #9
Close enough, both were epic clusterfucks Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #24
The big new question, will he receive conservative billionaire support, like James O'Keefe, Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #10
Standard Practice bpj62 Jan 2014 #11
I'm surprised they didn't pay. MADem Jan 2014 #12
It's not just a NJ agency, it's a joint NY-NJ agency, and the man at the top is a NYer George II Jan 2014 #14
CC doesn't have any "crew" to lean on that guy? His reach ain't as long as he'd like, then! MADem Jan 2014 #18
Not only isn't his reach as long as he'd like........ George II Jan 2014 #22
Wildstein signaled his intention to testify on day one. Iggo Jan 2014 #15
He's going to need it for all venues--federal and state(s). nt MADem Jan 2014 #19
Well, THAT ought to get him talking for a "deal".... hlthe2b Jan 2014 #16
Good, now he will sing. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #21
How do they give him immunity old guy Jan 2014 #23
Conditional immunity bpj62 Jan 2014 #26
OK, Thanks old guy Jan 2014 #28
But how will they prove he perjured himself if everyone else keeps their mouths shut? nt pnwmom Jan 2014 #33
essentially, if he tells them one thing under oath before the deal is struck, and then geek tragedy Jan 2014 #47
he won't talk to anyone until the federal prosecutor cuts a deal with him. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #40
IIRC his lawyer has to offer a proffer Babel_17 Jan 2014 #48
HAHA! davidpdx Jan 2014 #31
Who made this decision? Hosnon Jan 2014 #34
It's in the agency's bylaws. It wasn't an arbitrary decision. George II Jan 2014 #35
Didn't say it was. But the agency could have argued that his actions qualified for indemnification. Hosnon Jan 2014 #36
Patrick Foye is the ultimate person in charge - he was appointed by Andrew Cuomo George II Jan 2014 #37
I don't know the ins and outs of NY/NJ politics. Hosnon Jan 2014 #38
The Port Authority is probably different than any other in the US George II Jan 2014 #39
no, given that it doesn't cover intentional misconduct, this was the only geek tragedy Jan 2014 #41
The agency didn't have to make a determination that it fit that exclusion. Hosnon Jan 2014 #43
he was taking the fifth, in connection with actions Foye himself had explicitly geek tragedy Jan 2014 #45
Normal for by laws to cover executives.employees if Justice Jan 2014 #44
he couldn't really challenge, since in order to do so he'd have to make some geek tragedy Jan 2014 #46
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. Actually ...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jan 2014

the ask is pretty typical; but two things:

I order for it to be a legitimate ask, Wildstein is indicating that he believes that he was reasonably carrying out a function of his job (acting within the scope of his employment) with the PA;

Secondly, the PA's refusal indicates that they believe he clearly was acting outside the scope of his employment.

From these two tidbits, I believe that Wildstein has/is close to cutting an immunity deal for himself and will implicate major players; or, the Christie administration believes he has/will.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
20. Exactly!
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:28 PM
Jan 2014

He's going to sing like a canary. He's an opportunist of the highest order. If this is his opportunity to save himself - he's going to take it. His Attorney is very very clever.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
27. I never really understood ...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jan 2014

why a fired employee would WANT a company paid for attorney, as this is fraught with conflicts of interests (ethically) and, in the real world, attorneys tend to pay more attention to the interests of the person/entity paying the bill (ethics, be darn).

musiclawyer

(2,335 posts)
29. Because if you act within the scope of your duties it is your employer's problem ...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014

Not yours. Why should your personal assets be at risk when you were just doing your job?
Most states require employer indemnity and defense unless the employee was acting outside the scope. Only then is there a conflict and the employer will and should refuse coverage. This is what happened in this case. In cases where it's NOT clear if the employee or officer conduct rose to the level of fraud oppression or malice (actions outside scope of employment ), then the government employer usually tenders a defense subject to a reservation of rights ( to refuse to pay a judgment or legal bills later) if a judge or jury finds wrongdoing ....

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
30. That was my point ...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jan 2014
Most states require employer indemnity and defense unless the employee was acting outside the scope. Only then is there a conflict and the employer will and should refuse coverage. This is what happened in this case.


I guess I should have been more clear; rather than, just stating a "fired employee" (which at the time I wrote it meant "fired for acting outside the scope of employment&quot .

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
32. And on that flip side of that, wouldn't the Christie side want to pay for his attorney
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jan 2014

to hand-hold him and keep him quiet?

But maybe it's the top PA person, a NY guy, who made the decision.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
42. I agree..
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jan 2014

.... that is what I was thinking also. This guy is now ripe for flipping.

It would be nice, just for once, if the little guys expected to take the fall for the Very Big Cheese "just says no".

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
4. The guy has some kind of "brass".
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jan 2014

But then again, I would expect nothing less from corrupt Pukes, than wanting the taxpayers to pay to defend their illegal actions.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
6. ... just another lazy 'taker', livin' on handouts ...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jan 2014

... expecting everyone else to cover his ass ...

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
8. Probably Won't Pay Bill Baroni's Either
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jan 2014

And I believe the insurance company underwriting the PA's D&O liability insurance is going to fight any legal fees incurred by David Samson too. There was no "traffic study" and justifiable reason for the lane closures.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
9. Every time I see GWB............
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jan 2014

I'm not reading it as George Washington Bridge, but as George W. Bush. \

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
10. The big new question, will he receive conservative billionaire support, like James O'Keefe,
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:48 PM
Jan 2014

quietly, or will the conservative radio and web sites begin fund raising for a defense fund?

bpj62

(999 posts)
11. Standard Practice
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jan 2014

My brother worked for Clinton-Gore and was subpoenaed by the committees looking into filegate and the death of Vince Foster. He asked the administration to pay his attorney fees and they turned him down. I don't blame Wildstein for trying but it is pretty clear that his actions fall under malice and intentional wrongdoing. Even if he comes from wealth this may be the straw that causes him to testify.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. I'm surprised they didn't pay.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:04 PM
Jan 2014

I'm surprised CC didn't find a way to MAKE them do it....

Gives him more incentive to flip, and start singing like a canary....he'll want to make a deal with all agencies, concurrently...maybe get them to cover his bills, too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. CC doesn't have any "crew" to lean on that guy? His reach ain't as long as he'd like, then!
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:24 PM
Jan 2014

Even Tony Soprano could do some business on the other side of the bridge if he needed to--all it took was having a "sit down" wit' da right guys!

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. Not only isn't his reach as long as he'd like........
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:44 PM
Jan 2014

.....but I think he got the tips of his fingers snipped a little a few weeks ago.

Iggo

(47,546 posts)
15. Wildstein signaled his intention to testify on day one.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:14 PM
Jan 2014

He's just waiting for them to meet his price (immunity).

He'll sing, for sure.

hlthe2b

(102,196 posts)
16. Well, THAT ought to get him talking for a "deal"....
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jan 2014


It is amazing, though typical, that RETHUGS think taxpayers should pay their legal fees.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
23. How do they give him immunity
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jan 2014

when they really don't know if he knows anything? Couldn't he just cop to everything and say it was all his plan and by getting immunity nothing happens to anyone? These lawyer type things confuse me.

bpj62

(999 posts)
26. Conditional immunity
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:02 PM
Jan 2014

He has to sign a document stating that if he is found to have perjured himself during his testimony the AG office can and will revoke the immunity and he will be subject to prosecution for those lies and anything else that he talked about. Immunity does not come without strings attached.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. essentially, if he tells them one thing under oath before the deal is struck, and then
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jan 2014

reverses his testimony afterwards, he's committed perjury--either the statement given to prosecutors was perjury, or the flip-flop was perjury

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
48. IIRC his lawyer has to offer a proffer
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jan 2014

The proffer is part of the negotiations between the two sides. After both sides agree to discuss some form of immunity then the defense says what they have to offer and what they expect in return. If no deal is struck, the fact that the defense had an offer to make can't be held against them in court.

I am not a lawyer!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunity_from_prosecution

http://www.wisenberglaw.com/Articles/Queen-For-A-Day-The-Dangerous-Game-of-Proffers-Proffer-Agreements-and-Proffer-Letters.shtml

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
34. Who made this decision?
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:34 AM
Jan 2014

My money is on it being ultimately a political opponent of Christie. Without indemnification, the pressure on him is greatly increased. He's now more likely to talk.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
36. Didn't say it was. But the agency could have argued that his actions qualified for indemnification.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jan 2014

If whoever is in charge wanted to help Christie.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
38. I don't know the ins and outs of NY/NJ politics.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jan 2014

Are Christie and Cuomo political friends? Political enemies? In between?

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. The Port Authority is probably different than any other in the US
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:05 AM
Jan 2014

It's essentially governed by Federal regulations/law. Each governor appoints a certain number of members, not sure how many each or if it's an even number.

I don't think the two governors are enemies, but they're not buddies either.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
41. no, given that it doesn't cover intentional misconduct, this was the only
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jan 2014

plausible answer. dude's taking the 5th.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
43. The agency didn't have to make a determination that it fit that exclusion.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jan 2014

If they wanted to defend him - if Christie were making that decision - they could have argued it didn't.

I don't think anything in a situation like this is apolitical.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
45. he was taking the fifth, in connection with actions Foye himself had explicitly
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jan 2014

described as illegal in a contemporaneous email.

It would have been a sign of corruption if they had agreed to defend him

Justice

(7,185 posts)
44. Normal for by laws to cover executives.employees if
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:55 AM
Jan 2014

Acting within the scope of their employment. Here, determined actions outside scope. Wildstein could challenge decision.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
46. he couldn't really challenge, since in order to do so he'd have to make some
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jan 2014

kind of representation that there wasn't deliberate wrongdoing, which would open him up to perjury charges as well as waiving his 5th amendment protections

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